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“Sam should get the ball out faster”

No just calling a spade a spade. not apologizing for his play. He didn’t have his best game. Just looking at the situation around him and how other QBs (including elite ones) in his same situation. How would they fare in his shoes. some people on here think this is Madden and just because a guy has a 99 rating he can overcome anything when reality he can’t

Mahomes got pressured at a similar rate in the Super Bowl as Darnold yesterday. Chiefs immediately traded their 1st for a LT signed the top OG in FA signed another former probowl all pro OG drafted the top Center in the draft in the 2nd drafted several other OL as some have pointed out in Trey Smith. Now why the heck would the team with the best QB in football invest so dam much on the OL in this offseason if a “Elite QB can overcome bad OL play” like some fans in this franchise claim.

This past Superbowl Mahomes was pressured a record 52% of his snaps all the talk was the OL set him up for failure. That was the whole talk. Chiefs then went out gutted and overhauled the OL making some big splash moves including trading their 1st for the LT. Making signing the highest paid OG. Drafting the top Center in the 2nd and so on. That was after that 52% pressure game. yesterday, Sam was pressured 47.5% of the snaps. There are NFL analysts/former Player pointing the issues to the OL. And there are still people trying to pin this primarily on the QB. Some people just don’t get it.

think that falls under the duress what he is saying. Notice the guy up n the left and Sam not stepping into the throw. I personally think that was a bad read. But can pick up what Smitty is putting down

Smitty was just on WFNZ - said “there isn’t a QB that would succeed in that duress.” - credited Phillys DL and how they gave the Chiefs DL fits last week. And how considering how much better the Chiefs OL was than ours. - “Sam was pressured so much it turned to Kicked dog syndrome.” Then talked how this doesn’t help when we are trying to rehab him from the Jets situation. - on the ints “One was just a Really good play by the DB (Slay). The other 2 he was under duress and being hit.” talked how we should’ve kept running the ball more with Chuba’s success and the way they were teeing off on Sam.

That’s not even worse than that Miller performance yesterday

Not comparing Cam and Sam. Sam wasn’t good. But all I’ve been told since yesterday that Elite QBs can overcome bad OL. Despite prior to this spring it was the complete flip. Blaming the OL for our best QB in franchise history for the reason he doesn’t have a ring.

Not compared the physical Ayer themselves. Comparing the situations situation A “elite generational QB can’t overcome terrible OL play giving up <47% pressure. Fans drool over how their organization completely gutted and overhauled the OL situation B Elite MVP QB couldn’t overcome OL play. Fan base cries for years how this organization failed said player and he doesn’t have a ring because OL player C has bad game. Fans crucify him. Claim that Elite QBs can overcome terrible OL play. let’s throw the names out

Who gives a poo what defense rank is. #5 defense vs #10 OL getting beat or #15 defense vs #31 ranked OL defense rank numbers matter. If that #5 defense pressured the QB 35% of the time while the #15 rank defense pressured 47% are you still pointing out the defensive ranking. mom looking at what’s going on the field not rankings from previous games.

Yes. this is used a lot of their sitting in the pocket. a lot of times this is from coverage sacks. And holding onto it to long instead of running or throwing away. when OL get beat repetitive off the snap. Very little you can do. Especially when coming up the middle. there are a few incompletions over seen circulating where the DL’s arm is within a finger length of Sam’s arm. So it was about a mili second from a strip sack…..which again people would freak on Sam. Those throw he got the ball out and just misfired the WR resulting in an incomplete pass

I’m not even trying to compare the players itself Mahomes vs Darnold. mahomes has tools no one has seen before. but he STILL couldn’t overcome bad OL play. It was so noticing that the Chiefs FO made some major reactionary moves to overhaul that OL. this guy couldn’t overcome that and his FO did what they did because of it. yet we somehow say that any elite QB would have looked good behind a historically bad OL yesterday

That Eagles Defense still pressured the QB 47% of the snaps yesterday. More that Mahomes in the Super Bowl. so pretty comparative. Take the teams names off and look at the stats and play. Panthers QB was pressured Green team yesterday 47% of the time cheifs QB pressured a lot but less by red team last Super Bowl

I mean this is the correct answer. But still people swear otherwise.

Mahomes was running for his life and attempting super man type throws. And he wasn’t even receiving pressure at 47% of snaps

Not trying to rally the troops necessarily. Just curious. and you Are right. Mahomes has the intangibles. But he couldn’t over come the OL in the SuperBowl. So can elite QB’s overcome poor OL or not?

But he can overcome bad OL or can he not. Still didn’t answer the question. Because many of you swore Any QB could’ve overcome terrible OL play yesterday?

Panthers fans right now. ”Sam Darnold is bad.” “Any Other QB would have won that.” ”Great QBs Can overcome terrible OL play.” last years superbowl “Mahomes effort was amazing.” “Poor guy was getting killed, nothing he can do.” soon after the Super Bowl “see what the Chiefs did for Mahomes. See what they’re doing for their OL.” 2015 ”The Only reseason Cam doesn’t have a ring is because Remmers and the OL.” 2016 ”This front office failed Cam with this OL.” why the narrative change?

Only Issue is. as nice as Slater would be. The bulk of our issues on the OL has been on the interior.

Ding ding ding we have a winner. and at almost every other drop back pressure pct. That’s not a recipe for success no matter the QB