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Why isn't information about his pro day other than his astounding speed not been published in masse yet? Does anyone have any I formation as to how he did in position drills?

Well, I dare say that it needs its own thread. Unless someone surprises us, he will likely be in play when we go on the clock. Moreover, his pro day may have implications for us as far as other receivers, like Jaelen Strong, being in play even if Perriman isn't.

Damned autocorrect. Fix that title for me if you like.

Surprised that no one has mentioned his pro day. He is blazing fast and squarely in first round conversation. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000481430/article/breshad-perriman-wows-scouts-with-425second-40yard-dash

I wouldn't necessarily classify it as "huge" or "big", but I appreciate your underlying thought. At least the point didn't go over your head.

LOL. OK, maybe you got me. The DMo thing is the damnedest thing though. He must really have a fuged up attitude and work ethic or something. If I had a $100 for every time someone basically said that he'd be a good fit here, I could get me a nice little toy. But it is whatever it is. I honestly don't hate the Ginn decision, and I fully understand on an intellectual level why it was made, but I didn't exactly jump for joy either. I guess everyone who had previously bought their Ginn jerseys can dust them off and wear them with pride once more... LMBO

"Lie" is such an inappropriate and harsh word for this situation. Anyway, I've had my therapy for the night. I am signing out and going to bed. Have a good day, Cracka and the rest of the Huddle.

And that's really all I was looking for. I am not so much as upset as I am just trying to express a little frustration at what I perceive as a lack of understanding and/or a speed bump in communication. I may be the only one that feels this way, and it may be all me. But just in case I'm not, at least others who were thinking along the same lines will think to temper their expectations even further next year. That being said, I would be excited to have Jennings too, much like most of the people in the Huddle (even the ones who intimate that they fully expected the move ever since Jennings was cut).

OK, that's fair. I totally understand your point. I still think he could have been a little more clear without giving away any material trade secrets, but I understand.

I find it kind of disingenuous of you to say that you understood his words "PERFECTLY". I guess that you were one of the few that expected Gettleman to sign Michael Oher and were all smiles about it at the time, right? Please. It wasn't until after he explained his reasoning that most sane people got on board with the pick. I don't care if it was in my mind or not, it was also in others' minds as well, and it doesn't have anything to do with having any extra knowledge or understanding of Gettleman either. But let me give you a cookie for being on a case by case anointing with Dave Gettleman. That must be marvelous.

And yet another example of missing the point altogether. And, by the way, i agree with Gettleman's general philosophy about team building even if he doesn't make all the moves that i would like him to. I am still a Gettleman guy even though i don't have to sniff his jock. BYW, Hurney was paid millions, as are a lot of GMs who end up washing out of the league, so paying someone millions just doesn't do it for me. I think that Gettleman could have worded things a little differently to keep expectations to a minimum, and I am sticking to my point.

People seem to be missing the point of the OP. It's not even about the moves and draft philosophy per se, but about G-man's wording as far as what he was going to do that led to certain expectations unnecessarily. You can try and make it about draft philosophy and specific people or moves all you like. And it's easy after the fact to say Gman said this and Gman said that, but apparently he wasn't as clear as he could have been to many people. In my estimation, anyone should be able to see that. You may have understood what he said perfectly, but others did not.

So I guess that spending 3 million per year on Stevie Johnson for example was just an unreasonable expectation. I suppose that signing a very fast TE with good hands like Rob Housler who will probably come cheap for example is an unreasonable expectation. I am not crazy in thinking that Gettleman could have wording things differently in such a way that bloggers, reporters and writers would have not been carried away with fiscally responsible possibilities, nor am I off base in thinking that we could have done these things and still stuck to the core principle of building through the draft, and filling out holes in the roster with modest free agent signings who would upgraded the roster.

Actually I did. I was looking for something new. Something to get a little excited over, but that''s not really the point. If Gettleman had said that we may try to make a signing or two to fill some basic needs, but specifically concentrating on re-signing or extending some of our own guys, then I wouldn't have had even the slightest bit of expectations. That was the whole point. We never had a whole lot of money, but we did have a little to spend here and there. You saw all the tiered lists of WRs just like i did, so you should at least have some idea of the names that were flying around as possibilities. You should have also seen the relatively modest money that would have had to be doled out also. But the names don't even really matter at this point, because the point is is that if G-man had worded things a little differently, then the writers wouldn't have even made lists in reference to whom we may have targeted and expectations would have been held in check accordingly.

People weren't even necessarily thinking that we would even keep Dickson or Dwan, so that's kind of a stretch to say that they were mid-tier signings. Most were thinking Cole or Edwards, and Dickson is hardly some huge step at TE. We arguably could have done without him as much good as he did in our offense last season. I could name some more intriguing---or at least equal---prospects out there right now, but that would really be a useless argument. Most people were concerned with the receivers, and most of them weren't expecting us to sign Cobb or even Smith. So why even bring them up? Many people thought and still think that Ginn was basically a special teams signing. I guess he will give us the basics as far as a receiver goes, and, sure, I suppose that he fills that basic "need for speed".

Edit--TLDR: You better take what Gettleman says with a grain of salt, and temper your expectations even lower than what you believe that his actual words mean, because what he means and what you think that he means in terms of free agency may not add up to even the slightest bit of satisfaction, but unnecessary frustration. By now, I'm sure that many have heard bits and pieces of what Dave Gettleman has said during interviews here and there at the NFL meeting in Phoenix. Well, suffice it to say to the contentment of some and perhaps chagrin of many---or perhaps those who are somewhere likely sober in between---Gettleman is who we think he is. He is a guy that has supreme confidence in his team building philosophy, and is extremely fiscally conservative when it comes to making even what many might consider to be even the slightest bit of a splash when it comes to free agency. What his definition of a step up in class in free agents, doesn't quite add up to what many were thinking, and like reported in the Sirius interview thread, Gettleman is nearly content with how he has used free agency to set up, or maybe I should say free up, the draft. http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Gettleman-Roster-rounding-into-shape-for-draft/76b4f825-bfb9-4d55-bbdf-85280b02f0e7 Now, of course I have a few thoughts about the matter which have me kind of shaking my head at ol' Dave. He got us all hot and bothered by stepping up in class...to many guys that we are already familiar with. I know that Gettleman didn't necessarily mean to "trick" the fan base, but why do I feel like I've been played? And, no, I didn't play myself, Gettleman led us to believe that we were in for a little excitement---something new. And I am not talking about Michael Oher (although I am hopeful especially after Gettleman said he looked at three years worth of tape) Sure signing Greg Olsen was absolutely great, but after last season I believe that we all expected Olsen to be a long term Panther. Dear Dave, it's not like that was what we thought you meant when you said we would we would "be able to to step up in class a little bit." We expect you to keep guys that are essential to the team and have been doing things the right way. And as far as moving to mid-level deals, in what world is signing still relatively short and cheapish deals to Ed Dickson, Dwan Edwards, and Ted Ginn Jr. actually some marked move up? Don't get me wrong, they were smart signings, but Gman basically held serve. Many people thought that both Dickson and Edwards wouldn't even be here, and not because they were essential to our success, but because they were arguably expendable. And Ginn and Dickson were both Dollar Store Dave signings in the past, so don't try and pass them off as some "mid-level" or mid-tier signings now, even if they had some decidedly marginal success in our system. Again, I think they are smart signings that add good depth, but in Ginn's case, I find it a little bit unsettling that signing Ginn adequately addresses our need for speed at the wide receiver spot, but maybe that's just me. Perhaps i am just being overly cynical. At least we should all know what Ginn brings to the table, and maybe Ginn with Benjamin and Cotchery or a draftee will be much improved over Ginn and Smitty and LaFell. We will see. The good thing is that we are not done in free agency (though it almost sounds like it). To my disappointment, I don't see us adding any more speed (DMo) to our receiving corps the way that Gettleman has been talking, I personally would be excited to add a superb route runner like Greg Jennings in the mix. Perhaps Jennings and Ball won't ultimately feel like low-balled "gypsies" (another Gman term) with Gman's proposed contractual terms. And we always have the draft, which should again be interesting, especially considering that Gman deems the team very close to where it needs to be in order for him to select the BPA in each round. I really look forward to seeing what he will do with nine picks, even if he trades a pick or two which he considers an option. All in all, I think that we can feel good that Gettleman feels good about where the team is in reference to the draft. In theory this should allow him to swing for the fences so to speak during the draft. His signings, though arguably not appreciably moving up in class,did provide the team with safe players familiar with our system that may be able to finish out their careers as Panthers, especially given how well players seem to like the organizational culture and know how Gman operates. As for us fans, the way that Gettleman operates will continue to be a lesson in patience if nothing else.

No. He is explosive off the line and in open space. He will also presumably add a little electricity as a return man. The question will be whether he can handle the more physical NFL corners who may knock him off his routes. I don't want you coming away thinking that I said the dude is "trash" (a term used by today's youth that i actually hate), but after seeing Brandin Cooks get hurt and basically pale in comparison to some of his fellow rookies last season, as well as seeing how Tavon Austin has still failed to reach others' lofty expectations, I just don't see why people are so enamored with these little guys. Perhaps it is still the memory of Smitty---who is built like a little tank and had the ability to jump out of the stadium---that is causing some Panthers fans to be warming up to Dorsett in round 2 (or even 1 in some cases). Thankfully, Gettleman values big men.

That'd be DGB this year, which we will undoubtedly skip. Could be Perriman, whom Greg Cosell compared to Julio Jones with his size and movements, but I kind of doubt it with those drops. If he has a drop free day tomorrow, then I am sure plenty of people will be talking about him.

Dorsett doesn't nearly "have it all". He doesn't have as good of body control in the air as many of the others, his hands are inconsistent, he is not a particularly good blocker, he is small, and he is a limited route runner.

Some people may not know that Perriman has a pedigree also. His father was a pro receiver, most notably with the lions. Another side story that I will be watching on day one and two is whether or not Strong will actually take a tumble and whether Perriman will actually rise above Strong If Perriman doesn't ace his pro day tomorrow, then this will never happen. One or both of these guys is going to come in and give a tam a big lift if they can put it all together. I have always thought that Perriman looked like the more fluid, more explosive receiver, but the level of competition and his hands do make me rise an eyebrow.

I believe that you're trying to simplify the receivers too much. There is definitely a second tier of receivers. Perriman and Agholor are the types of receivers who may come in and outplay some of the first four, or at least put themselves in the conversation. Sure, either of them could become marginalized depending upon the system that they are in, but just watch one if them be in the OROY conversation. Now I am not suggesting that either should be considered at 25 just yet, but what I am saying is that they should be strongly considered in round 2. Personally, I would take DGB in the first. Edit: I just don't believe that receivers like Hardy or Dorsett are in the same class as Perriman or Agholor.

50/50. It just can't be pie without the crust. Without the nice, delicious golden crust it's just goo---glorified soup.

Hopefully the Falcons will lose one

Thanks, PhillyB.

Less so. Hardy could have been talking out of his ass to Josh Norman, but I don't believe that Norman was lying. It's also a fact that Hardy was lobbying the fans to help him to stay. Hardy wasn't stupid. He read the reports just like we did, and he knew the expectations. In any event it's moot because if we are to take this latest report at face value, Richardson wasn't having Hardy here under any circumstances.