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It's a slow day, it's taking forever for them to release our cuts (as of when I started this post), practice is delayed to 2:45pm est, and now there's a Tornado Warning in Spartanburg, so I say why not. 

Offense - 25 Total

QB (2) - Sam Darnold / PJ Walker - I think we ultimately release Grier or move him for a 6th or 7th round conditional pick, with it being a 17 game season that extra spot is better suited elsewhere, and if we lose two QB's anyway it doesn't matter. I think we add a body to the PS however.

HB (3) - Christian McCaffrey / Chuba Hubbard / Trenton Cannon  -- I think we try to get Rodney Smith pack to the PS, Cannon is our KR / Gunner so he sticks.

FB (1) - Rod Smith

T (5) - Cam Erving / Taylor Moton - Greg Little / Brady Christensen / FA TBD -- I don't see Scott making the team, and 2nd round investment / depth sees Little survive

C / G (5) - Matt Pardis / Pat Elflein /  John Miller -- Dennis Daley / Deonte Brown

TE (3) - Dan Arnold / Tommy Tremble / Ian Thomas -- I think we are locked in on this, I don't see Sullivan making a push

WR (6) - DJ Moore / Robbie Anderson / Terrace Marshall Jr - David Moore / Brandon Zylstra / Shi Smith

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Defense - 25 Total

DE (4) - Brian Burns / Morgan Fox -- Yetur Gross-Matos / Marquise Haynes --  Christian Miller to the PS

IDL (4) - Derrick Brown / Daquan Jones -- Bravvion Roy / Daviyon Nixon - Hoskins to the PS

OLB (4) - Shaq Thompson / Haason Reddick -- Frankie Luvu / Julian Stanford

ILB (3) - Denzell Perryman / Jermaine Carter -- FA TBD, Josh Bynes was not impressive, looked slow and missed several tackles, turning 32

CB (6) - Donte Jackson / Jaycee Horn / AJ Bouye -- Rashaan Melvin / Keith Taylor / STO III -- Pride to IR

S (4) - Jeremy Chinn / Juston Burriss -- Kenny Robinson / Sam Franklin -- I think we will try to get Hartsfield onto the PS. 

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ST's - 3

K - Joey Slye

P - Joseph Charlton

LS - Fletcher -- It sucks but I think this is where we say goodbye to JJ 

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Did you watch the clip?  Who is Haskins? I think you have the wrong guy.

Haskins is #71 the DT (6'5 / 315), that gets there second, Sean Chandler #34 is the S that makes the initial contact. 

7 minutes ago, saX man said:

Also a nicely called defensive play.  That's Sammy Franklin blitzing right?

#34 I believe is Sean Chandler

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

So he will play guard.  

How to interpret anything Rhule says...believe the opposite is true

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If I understand it correctly, he would have to be placed on the final 53 to ultimately be placed on IR. Honestly, I anticipate him to be waived with an injury designation.

I don’t think he'd clear that waiver, thats why I referenced IR. 

We tried that with Tyler Gaffney and NE scooped him up. Pride has promise, and the athleticism, just needs time to develop. 

For one I would like to know what happened, I hope there are answers today. He was pretty bad yesterday, but he also held his own last season. 

I wouldn't put him in the cut bucket just yet, if I had to guess based off the optics of the injury, he's placed on IR, and we see what he has next year if recovered. 

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, luck happens.  My favorite 89 play is that one where he broke what appeared to be 57 tackles vs Houston and came out of that pile for a long and easy TD.  Lot of luck involved.  But probably still required 89 to take advantage of that scenario.  Despite all that luck, a lot of that was still 89. 

This was AWESOME!!!

37 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That play was doomed from the jump.  While it was a really good run in the end, a ton of luck was involved.  FIFTEEN players were falling around all around him, the 16th (Colt player gave up thinking the play was over) and he somehow managed to get through.  The Zylstra block was the other key to the play.  Again great play, but extremely lucky.

I wouldn't call it lucky, if he doesn't keep working, and maintaining his balance this is a stuffed run; aside from that Zylstra staying engaged. 

This is an example of a player making something out of nothing. 

This is why I...

1) Don't understand the Fletcher pick in the 6th with a guy like Jamie Newman available, he's younger, athletic and has arm talent, Grier is 26 I think at this point he is what he is.

2) Passing on Mond when we were wheeling and dealing all of those picks day 2, we had the ammunition to take a mid round QB.

3) Ultimately passing on Fields, still not okay with that, when it happened and still to this day.

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Overall I like our draft class, so I won't complain but so much, BUT I think we made some mistakes as well, time will tell. 

15 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I feel like people put too much value on a qb running a 4.40

See Lamar, and Kyle, its not about 4.4, its the athletic ability that leads to extended plays behind a "meh" OL.

They took the "safe" approach but you can't hit a homerun if you don't swing the bat. We bunted at no. 8.

30 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I think Chuba replaced Davis personally.  Marshall replaced Samuel

This

12 hours ago, Call Me James said:

Our coaches don't seem interested in dynamic QBs. They have a type. 

This

51 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Anyone else seeing this? Looks like a kid out there, throwing off his back foot recklessly, just fumbled a snap and then fumbled while scrambling.

Not impressed at all, may have dodged a bullet.

This aged well, lol! Now 2 TDs in rofl!

I'm on the ''should have drafted Fields'' train, I said this leading up to and after the draft. I will support the QB I have. and Horn's talent likely can't be denied. 

But an elite athletically gifted QB, plus the rookie QB salary, plus not giving Sam 18.8M in 2022 to have even more cap to retain our best is the smart move to me long-term. 

We are a rebuilding team, and when you do that, you use new bricks, not recycled ones. I think they simply got a guy they are comfortable with, if they turn him around and the team is 7-9 wins they all look like genius' but if this flakes, IMO Rhule is on a short least as this will be two years in a row that '' you got your guy'' and now he's gone. 

Sam has 3 years of NFL experience, to me this is a put up or shut up year, you'd have more leniency with a rookie, even if he sat behind Sam, that's what killed it for me, KC had a perennial playoff team, and still took a QB. We're not GB with Rodgers, we have ZERO QB options behind Sam, and if he flakes, or is injured we're in the same boat in 2022. Bad planning IMO.

I think they've moved off of Okung unless an injury happens, feel like a saw a tweet that basically alluded to the fact he didn't feel the offers he was getting were respectable. 

IMO, I can't see us going past Week 4 without looking at something in regard to LT -- vet cuts, FA signing, etc. Cam Erving is also not the most dependable when it comes to health. 

I'm curious to see the solution this year.

13 hours ago, TANTRIC-NINJA said:

Is DJ really a little guy?  He is not Megatron or Julio big but Kurt just being Kurt. 

Listed at 5'11 / 6' based on where you look, but weighs 210 lbs...That's RB weight which is why he's so good through contact after the catch. 

10 hours ago, bigdavis said:

Kurt is only concerning himself with our Big 3.  By adding a TE that can catch the ball, it's gonna be fun to watch.  Darnold's stats this year will surprise a lots of "experts."

I dunno, feels like most talking heads have been giving him the benefit of the doubt coming off that Jets stint and the turn-around Tannehill saw once he went to a more talented / better coached roster. 

DJ & Robby are 1K + receivers, CMC is a 1K + runner / receiver -- there's only a handful of teams with a better top 3. If the combination of Arnold / Thomas / Tremble can give us 800 yards collectively our offense will be looking like one of the best IF Darnold's decision making in NY was an aberration based on trying to do too much too often / bad personnel / coaching. 

5 hours ago, Tommy Jone said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/08/10/5-pleasant-surprises-carolina-panthers-training-camp-far/6/

Sounds like Yetur has not yet secured a starting role in TC, per Cat Crave.  This is disappointing in the fact that he was thought to be skilled on running downs, which should have at least secured him a 2 down role. 

With Fox's size, I cannot imagine he offers much in the way of pass rush from the 4-3 DE position.  He is apparently much better suited to play 3 tech DT or 3-4 DE.  Yetur apparently has some upside in the pass rush area, but it's not yet been realized.

I have heard nothing on him in training camp coverage.

Fox is Smaller than Yetur by 2 inches in height, and 5lbs in weight. 

1 hour ago, BurnNChinn said:

I know I read Jets had 20,000 people, and somewhere I seen that Packers had about 34,000 at their stadium the other day. But then I read we had like 42,000 is that true? It didn’t look like that many people were there but if so that’s crazy!

If you're asking about fan fest, I can't say it looked like ''that'' many people, but it was a good turn out I'd say. 

3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Has Watson been convicted of anything?

No he has not, friend lawyer of the owner was leading the charge on this when he originally wanted to opt out. 

Last I heard a few of these women didn't want to go public which could lead to a dismissal. 

Its also still a civil matter versus criminal. So until proven guilty, I'd be ok adding a bona-fide star QB versus hoping we resurrect Sam.

I personally wanted Fields. 

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

The one position they knew they had to fill. they didn’t.  
 

Some would say QB is also in that category 

its mind boggling…not the fully new regime this year and not the combination of Rhule and Hurney last year   No point in talking about the wasteland of years in between since Gross 

Horn is a fine player, no question but again, two most important positions on the field are question marks.  

For modern Nfl teams those positions are the cornerstones  

move moton to the left and the right is weakened   Keep him at the right and that almost certainly means two TE sets or extra blocking in play formation or Darnold will be what he was in NY

fitterer and Rhule are paid to form a team,  

I guess we will see how patient Tepper really is

 

What everyone forgets about Rhule and it's likely because he came from Baylor...he's a DEFENSIVE MINDED COACH, same as Rivera. The difference is he's open to modern data / analytics over Ron, and let's call it ''traditional gut instincts''. 

It's why the entire FIRST draft class, and the #1 pick for us at 8 was ALL DEFENSIVE players. Rhule wants to be able to STOP other teams, not just score with them. 

I've said this a few times, even after the Darnold trade, I'd have taken Fields, QB is FAR TOO IMPORTANT not to take the swings when they are available. WR depth / quality can be found on day 2, and 3, and money saved on a rookie deal at QB allows cap to sign a high end DB if you elect not to draft one. 

QB / Pass Pro / Pass Rush -- are the most important things in that order this day and age. 

I think I'd have to go with:

Moton / Elflein / Paradis / Miller / Christensen

I like Erving more as a back up, but they paid him starter money so it's his job to lose, Moore is a UDFA, let him be G/ C depth. As poorly as Little played at times, he had a couple moments, as I recall some pancakes on runs / screens. Scott I also like as depth, and same for Daley. 

I hope to goodness we're able to bring in even slight upgrades to depth after final cuts. The line I referenced I think allows us to be more functional, I think I trust the rookie more at RT, than a journeyman in Erving, we're talking his 4th team in less than 6 years roughly. To me that's not a positive indictment on a guy. 

We look more like a 3-4 defense now more than then...even if we play Over / Under 4-3 alignments. 

DL - Brown / Jones / Fox

Edge - Burns / Reddick

ILB - Perryman / Shaq

CB - Horn / Jackon

S - Chinn / Burriss (for now)

Then we'd see guys like Matos, and the others in the nickel sets, and in some of the even fronts as well, I expect a lot of mixed fronts, not much we can't do alignment wise. 

I like Robbie but he's 29 and in the last year of his 2yr / 20M deal and costs 12M versus the cap if memory serves this season. 

I think we could've come out this situation a bit better, move Robbie for a pick, FT Moton, and extend Samuel. Knowing how the draft fell Marshall replaces Robbie on the perimeter, Curtis stays as a move guy that works out of the slot, and DJ is the primary. 

Just my opinion, I don't agree with Curtis being over-rated, he was one of the best on 3rd down. Robbie is a Rhule guy though. 

3 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Well we passed on the potential 4th best remaining rookie QB. Consider that a TE even got drafted before him. A TE... 

 

To a team that HAS A QB, AND OWES A TON OF MONEY TO.