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We need to stay at 33, unless we also get a 1st next year to offset the absence of our 2nd round pick. IMO use 33, and 39 to bring in legitimate talent at - WR / C / Edge -- and CB if we don't sign / plan to sign Gilmore as a band-aid. We need to adding the best possible talent we can, trading back should be an option, not a foregone conclusion.

This trade scenario is booty cheeks. Next.

I'd like to see his numbers when they had Jameson Williams....versus a guy in Burton who's looking at Day 2 at best. Context is always important...most articles explain in 22' without Bryce that much weaker ALA team doesn't make a bowl game. We lacked the scheme, and protection to consistently challenge vertically, we will see. Stroud had a knock on his playmaking we found that was false, deep accuracy is also timing and reps. You can't say we had an offense that lended itself to that.

3rd at the earliest, LBer is not an immediate need with Shaq, and Jewell penciled in as starters, all but inked.

Non-issue why are we talking about guys no longer here... Let's talk about relevant Panthers info.

That QB play got a 32, 33 year old receiver over 1k yards, with an OL that wasn't much help. The blind hate is wild, go watch the QB School breakdowns and at least educate yourselves. The scheme was straight ass.

It was an offense expected to do little with Baker Mayfield...who was again competing with Trask. Canales coached an offense that turned Bakers career around, and won a playoff game for a conservative DEFENSIVE minded coach in Bowles. I don't have unrealistic high hopes, but I do have optimism in the chance to see more competent offensive play. We lost so many games last year simply due to offensive ineptitude.

I'd say we are off to a good start, Corbett at Center is not something I take issue with considering 1) he has played the position in the NFL before, and 2) would have an entire off-season to acclimate. Mays, and Zavala are each day 3 picks so they are decent depth in a pinch, I think we need one more Day 2 caliber addition to compliment Yosh, and BC, and I think that comes in Rd 2 or 3. If we traded 33, and one of our 5ths that would be -- 615 pts on the JJ chart, so we could jump into that last three picks of the first ''if'' there was someone there we really liked, and coveted a 5th year option. We could get that pick back by trading back in Rd 3 or 4 to stay at 7 total picks, or maybe they trade back multiple times from the 3rd round on, considering the thoughtful aggression so far this off-season I think it may still be prudent to keep an eye on day one of the draft.

This, pretty sure he was the 25th pick that year, and made a PB. He has been good throughout the years quite honestly, he's also done his part financially. IIckey who I believe in would have the largest impact combined with the OL upgrades. Honorable mention to me is Mingo, people forget he's 6'2, 220, and runs in the 4.4s...him making a leap with the addition of DJ would bode well for Bryce tapping his.

G > TE

He's coming off an ACL tear, so his leverage is gonna be limited to a certain degree. I'd imagine a deal similar to what Odell got no matter where he lands.

I'd say Fields dynamic ability is attractive, but his passing is too inconsistent. Factor that with we traded up for Bryce, there's no way they'd invite that media circus here.

I'm not as low on Sanders as some, he and Chubba were both under 4 ypc under the last regime. Chubba - 3.8 (1 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4241416/chuba-hubbard Sanders - 3.3 (2 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4045163/miles-sanders --------------------------------------------------------------------- In my estimation the scheme / personnel were simply the issue because in 2022, and we won't even bring up Sanders (then) or even Swift (most recently) behind the PHI OL. Chuba behind ours in 2022 averaged 4.9 ypc, so even he averaged 1 yard less YPC in 2023. Last season offensively was a complete cluster, and while the personnel is still being put together it's hard to argue that really both of those guys suffered from the same issues this past season as neither was really better or worse than the other. It simply felt worse because they went out and spent some decent money on Miles, and Chuba is a 5th round guy that has improved since a rough rookie season.

1 or 4 down, with the Wonnum signing. Is he better than Brian...no, but he also costs 5x less, and is unlikely to have a season 5x worse than what Brian does in NY.

I know a lot was made of the Burns deal and lack of return, but it's common sense that when a team is gonna pay a guy -- 150/5 -- the trade investment will be less....should we have traded Burns maybe, but we also expected to retain him for less than the referenced amount. I lead with that to get into the following as his absence opened up 24M in the additional cap, and it looks like it is being put to good use.... The Defense: (* represents free agent) DL - Brown / Tuttle / Robinson* Edge - Johnson, Barno (TBD - Clowney*, Wonnum*, Young*) ILB - Shaq, Jewell* CB - Horn, Jackson* Nickel - Hill FS - Woods SS - (TBD - Fuller*) With Clowney, Wonnum, Young, and Fuller all visiting today / this week, we will possibly sign some combination of the four. For the sake of the exercise, just looking at those names in those positions above it's hard not to say this would be an improvement over last years personnel even with the absence of Brian. Not to mention the potential to add a piece or two within our first few top 100 selections. ____________________________________________________ The Offense: (* represents free agent -- ** represents a trade) QB - Young, Dalton HB - Sanders, Hubbard, Blackshear WR - Johnson**, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, Marshall TE - Tremble, Thomas T - Ickey, Moton G - Hunt*, Lewis* C - Corbett It's been a lot of commentary as to ''what is the plan'' I think anyone paying attention should see the plan is beginning to show itself, Morgan, and company have taken an ''inside, out'' approach to this free agency. The first three acquisitions were all positions closest to the ball on each respective side. Two guards, and an interior defensive lineman. From there the next acquisitions were -- ILB, CB, traded for a receiver If you believe in a more ''traditional'' approach to building a team this is the format, it stands to reason skill positions will likely be the focus of the draft with some depth interior pieces added per side of the ball. It will be interesting to see how all of this comes together over the Spring, but once you get past the Burns trade, and look at the comparison of Jewell to Luvu, it's easy to feel better about the decisions that are currently being made, especially if they close on a couple of the edge guys visiting currently.

It was a 3rd / 4th string caliber QBs til murray returned. Something to keep in mind.

The talent that was here was apart of losing seasons dating back to 2020, and some prior... We just came off a 2-15 season moving on from guys that are 27+ years old, and in some cases (Jackson) were average AT BEST is not a big deal.... Burns is a bit over-rated - #2 DE money is insane, but he got it Jackson couldn't cover anyone over 6' Bell is replaceable Luvu is a fan favorite, but 12M a year for a guy who is LB #2 and was never better overall in comparison to Shaq is also too much...he is also a coverage liability, he's serviceable there, but he's a down hill player, that's tough and plays hard. Every team needs guys like that, but not at 12M annually. 42M just for Brian and Luvu....nah man that's not it.

The situation then was not the same as today, those firsts were two, and three years away respectively at the time. And it stands to reason they believed they would get Brian resigned, but once he started talking 2nd overall DE money conversations crumbled and here we are.

You also run the risk of them paying a Danielle Hunter (16.5 sacks in 2023, only 29 Burns is 27 iirc), or going elsewhere, we didn't have leverage, and with Burns gone, our cap jumped even after the acquisitions. Per OTC - $25,483,547 in cap at the moment AFTER the initial signings, and we have well over 90M in 25' to help spread out extensions / signings. I like Burns as much as the next but not for 30M on average, is way too much, and that money is better spent building up the team in general.

I'd say this is a little pessimistic, coaching failed us in at least 1-3 games this past season. Five games won is a possibility, ''lucky to win three'', I'm not going that far. 6-6 with Darnold / Walker, McAdoo, and journeyman HB's with just one WR in Moore won't allow me to COMPLETELY sell on a functional offense in 24'. The OL in my opinion regressed because Frank came in and tried the ''my offense'' approach versus building on what we actually did well.

The difference between renegotiating, and restructuring seems to be lost on some. An extension would save money because you'd have more seasons to spread out the guarantees. Moton needs to stay, especially some consistency concerns with Ickey heading into yr 3.

Dunno why people just don't post it...

All y'all that wanna trade him to "get what we can" will be the same ones complaining about no pass rush. Burns, Brown, need to be built around ESPECIALLY while we have a rookie QB contract. Having more picks is just lottery tickets when you know you have a capable player. I would not pay elite money, but he deserves an extension.

Exaggerate much....1990...having a Power run attack with a 230 LB back is what MADE sense, we literally became a top running team.

So are we just going to ignore the absence of receivers that can separate, and the absence of a consistent, and reliable deep threat? What about the regression of the OL limiting time to throw down field? There were a lot of factors at play, and quite honestly we probably don't win a game without Bryce executing the comeback drives. Are people really so locked in on hating Bryce for whatever reason that the facts are continuously ignored as to the offense as a whole?