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Not too many of those available for cheap considering our cap situation. It'll be a draft / free agency priority I'm sure. Hopefully Wonnum and Barno add to that once healthy. In the interim seems like they're taking fliers on guys that have the size / athleticism pedigree and looking to cement this group heading into next year. Horn and Jackson, have been a nice duo so far.

This is the most realistic scenario; Bryce has been bad. This wasn't even about ''winning'' we could not even COMPETE with the way Bryce was playing. So unless somehow Andy just somehow plays worse than Bryce, then at that point it really doesn't matter anyway.

Well he ain't going anywhere so gotta deal with realistic options; not referring to the OP's suggestions, but in general. All we can hope is that Tepper learned his lesson, and has stopped the incessant meddling....which honestly seems to be the case since Dan, Brad, and Dave have been on board.

Great call back here,

Common denominator = Bryce

WE didn't...Tepper and Fitt did.

Hard to watch again. Damn.

https://x.com/theqbschool/status/1833964190387896477?t=2m5vBmr_or5wEHFaxh0S-g&s=19 Hard to watch again. Damn.

Prayers!

That's Dionte's role, Legette will probably feature on slants, comebacks, overs, and manufactured touches (sweeps, screens) while he develops. People need to realize we have enough for him to be the 3rd or even 4th option if needed this year, same way we can afford to wait on Brooks, and Samdera "if" needed.

Bryce has a lot he needed ro work on (my guy was AR15). However, we have Bryce and I can admit he flashed plenty, and in some cases overcame the deficiencies and got in position to win games. No QB was surviving what we put out there last year...saying he sucked with all the negatives around him goes a bit far.

I'm not looking for positives per se, I don't want to forget just how bad schematically we were so that I can compare to 2024.

To have a true base of our 2023 offense as a reference so I can have an informed opinion on how far we've come as the pre-season / meaningful games begin once there's new tape to look at. I'm not a fan of being an uneducated fan.

With so much emphasis on the overhaul as it relates to the staff, and player personnel, I thought it would be a good time to reacclimate myself with the poo show that was our 2023 offense. For those that blamed Bryce, and said he was horrible etc. take a moment to remind yourself how bad the offense was collectively. Bryce has his items to improve, but those that blind hate on him, please educate yourself. There are SEVERAL videos on our 2023 offense, 30 minute breakdowns.

I agree with the edge assessment (not DE's since we run a 34 base), but are people not aware that they did have Ngaukoue, Lawson, and even Haynes in for workouts this week...we have just under 6M in cap space, so negotiating will have to be sorted out as it relates to bringing in a more premium position like an edge rusher... Now, back on topic; this is a WR 4-6 type of guy who at least ''already knows the offense'' and offers return ability, not to mention just in general adds some more speed and most of all short area quickness. Dionte ran a 4.53 at the combine Thielen is turning 34, and was never a burner, we know he gets open, but he's not a threat vertically Legette ran a 4.39 so we know that was part of why he was drafted to help take the top off TMJ who ran a 4.38 at his pro-day, we just never see consistent usage as it relates to him Mingo ran a 4.46 ISM ran a 4.42 Legette, TMJ, and Mingo and are all in the 6'1 - 6'3 range and we 220+, none of them would be classified as ''quicker than a hiccup''. Dionte over his career, and ISM in spots are the only ones that showed some play-making ability in space last season that are currently on the roster. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Also for those stuck on the domestic violence piece, google is your friend. https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/tampa-bay-buccaneers-news/bucs-news-deven-thompkins-investigation-nfl-2024 The NFL has ended its investigation of former Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Deven Thompkins, who was accused by his estranged wife Maria Castillos of domestic abuse in May of this year. In a statement, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said that there was no "sufficient evidence" that Thompkins had violated the league's personal conduct policy, per FOX Sports' Greg Auman: "Following a review of the matter, the league did not discover sufficient evidence to support a finding of a violation of the personal conduct policy," McCarthy said. Castillos, who is getting a divorce from Thompkins, released photos on her TikTok that appeared to show bruises on her body that she claimed Thompkins had caused. The Buccaneers released Thompkins with an injury designation during mandatory minicamp not long after the images were posted, and Thompkins later filed a defamation lawsuit against Castillos. Per Auman, those images have now been deleted from Castillos' TikTok account.

Proof...? If there's not police report, arrest, etc. An accusation isn't grounds to hold against someone. Poster above said best he could locate was tik tok...

No, and even Yosh Nijman got barely a mention.

This is basically what I remember as well.

So the completions to Jameson Williams at Alabama just didn't happen.... Bryce can throw downfield...but Mingo a 4.49 guy, and Chark who couldn't get off the LOS were our best outside options...with a 33 year old never been fast Thielen. Let that sink in...THEN consider guys like Throckmorton, Zavala, and Bozeman getting destroyed each and every game. Bryce has his struggles, but let's not act like we had real vertical weapons, or even a potent offensive scheme.

Jaycee wanted it last year but Burns had dibs iirc.

Kyle also had Dj, and CMC.

Go watch the Corbett interview from voluntary OTAs. He was the starter for LAR at Center until an injury the SB year. We are fine at starting center atm, and we have two guys that were starters as a Tackle, and interior depth (Yosh, and BC), Zavala in year 2 stands to improve, Cade Mays in year 3 as well, but they're both suites as depth pieces currently. They also signing two of the better guards in the NFL (Hunt) / free agency (Lewis). The OL received a lot of attention, and with an offensive shift to what suits them as a run first unit, we HAD to upgrade the weapons to keep defenses honest vs the pass. And for those that like to root for UDFAs,we brought in Raym from Oklahoma who is a Center.

Outside of CB 2 (unless you like Dane Jackson) where are starters absent on defense... Woods, and Fuller Horn, Jackson, Hill (Nickel) Shaq, Jewell Clowney, Wonnum Brown, Tuttle, Robinson --------------------------------- Where is the gap for a starter? If we plug in Gilmore this defense is better on paper than 23'.

We need to stay at 33, unless we also get a 1st next year to offset the absence of our 2nd round pick. IMO use 33, and 39 to bring in legitimate talent at - WR / C / Edge -- and CB if we don't sign / plan to sign Gilmore as a band-aid. We need to adding the best possible talent we can, trading back should be an option, not a foregone conclusion.

This trade scenario is booty cheeks. Next.