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Tremble is one of the more interesting prospects in the draft overall, as having mostly been used as more of a blocking specialist alongside more conventional tight-ends in his two seasons of contribution at Notre Dame he has limited statistical production to this point. In fact, with just 35 catches for 401 yards and 4 touchdowns to his name. What he does have, however, are good athletic testing numbers and some of the most impressive blocking tape for a tight end prospect in recent memory. 

All credit to - Vincent Richardson

5 hours ago, KillerKat said:

After doing mine, I think LB depth after Reddick and Carter could use some help. Also safety could use some help. For offense, hopefully we can pick up someone cut from another team for the line.

OFFENSE:
WR1: Robby Anderson - *Terrace Marshall Jr* - *Shi Smith*
LT: #Cameron Erving# - *Brady Christensen*
LG: #Pat Elfein# - Dennis Daley
C : Matt Paradis 
RG: John Miller - *Deonte Brown*
RT: Taylor Moton - Trent Scott
TE: Ian Thomas - #Dan Arnold# - Colin Thompson
WR2: D.J. Moore - #David Moore# - Brandon Zylstra
QB: #Sam Darnold# - P.J. Walker - Will Grier
FB: *Tommy Tremble* 
RB: Christian McCaffrey - *Chuba Hubbard* - Trenton Cannon

DEFENSE:
LE: Yetur Gross- Matos - #Morgan Fox#
DT: Derrick Brown - *Daviyon Nixon*
DT: #DaQuan Jones# - Bravvion Roy 
RE: Brian Burns - Marquis Haynes 
SLB: Shaq Thompson - #Frankie Luvu# - Christian Miller
MLB: #Denzel Perryman# - Jermaine Carter Jr. - Chris Orr
WLB: Jeremy Chinn -  #Haason Reddick# 
LCB: *Jaycee Horn* - #Rashaan Melvin# - *Keith Taylor*
RCB: Donte Jackson - Troy Pride Jr. - Stantley Thomas-Oliver III
SS: Justin Burris - Myles Hartsfield 
FS: Sam Franklin - Sean Chandler

SPECIAL TEAMS:
K/KO: Joey Slye
P/H: Joseph Charlton
KR: Trenton Cannon - *Shi Smith* - *Chuba Hubbard* - D.J. Moore 
PR: #David Moore# - D.J. Moore 
LS: *Thomas Fletcher*

* = Draft Pick
# = Free Agent
() = Undrafted Free Agent
 

You're missing AJ Bouye

6 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

 

Miller is a RG, and Brown is a LG. Someone said a few years ago that switching from RG to LG was like trying to wipe your ass with your left hand; it's possible, but it ain't natural. (I'm wildly paraphrasing, but you get the gist). I agree with your sentiment though. Brown will have a hard time beating out Elfein and/or Erving for LG. Since both vets have been injury prone, I think he'll get his shot sooner or later.

I also think that Erving may be day 1 LT, although Christensen has a much better chance at starting than Brown does.

Go watch ALA tape, he has a good amount of reps at RG, if memory serves the LG swap was for 2020. 

Offense:

QB - Sam Darnold / PJ Walker / Tommy Stevens 

HB - CMC / Chuba Hubbard -- Depth -- Rodney Smith, Trenton Cannon

FB - Tommy Tremble (based on personnel package)

TE - Dan Arnold / Ian Thomas & Tommy Tremble (based on personnel package)

WR - DJ Moore / Robbie Anderson / Terrace Marshall / David Moore / Shi Smith

OL - Brady Christensen / Pat Elflein / Matt Paradis / Deonte Brown / Taylor Moton (I think Brady has a chance being a bit older, and developed physically, Brown's track record at ALA can't be denied so I think he edges out Miller) -- Depth -- Erving, Little, Dailey, Scott, Miller

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Defense: (Showing as a 4-3)

DL - Burns / Brown / Jones / Gross-Matos -- Depth -- Fox, Haynes, Roy, Nixon, Miller

LB - Shaq Thompson / Denzell Perryman / Hasaan Reddick -- Depth -- Jermain Carter (Area of need)

CB - Jaycee Horn / Donte Jackson / AJ Bouye -- Depth -- Troy Pride / Rashaan Melvin / Keith Taylor

S - Jeremy Chinn / Juston Burris -- Depth -- Kenny Robinosn, Sam Franklin, Myles Hartfield

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In my opinion another off-ball LB, and veteran safety are needed, I feel good most elsewhere on the roster. 

People wanted him because Olsen was oft injured / showing signs of aging and if memory serves we were picking in the range he got drafted. 

The real issue was he was like a 25 year old rookie if memory serves. 

On 5/1/2021 at 11:54 AM, Proudiddy said:

Also, in last night's presser, Rhule And Fitt said according to their guys (scouts?) a 3rd this year is the equivalent to a 2nd next year, and Rhule said when they viewed it that way, they essentially paid off the Darnold trade already.  I thought that was fascinating. 

A lot of people need to start watching the pressers between draft days, you get some solid insight. 

We got the extra 3rd as mentioned - 2nd round value in 2022

We also received a future 4th - that covers the one we gave up for 2022

We also re-couped the 6th

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And to take it further beyond those points, we started this draft with 7 picks, and ended it with 11. I'm sure many of us were thrown after we passed on Fields, but by the time Friday wrapped the plan really took shape for me. 

I understand WHY they passed even if I don't agree, they're building the best possible ROSTER, as we saw with SF, if you have a complete team, you can make a move for a QB, and we're not tied long term to Darnold. 

I will saw I'd swap out Fields for Horn knowing how our draft went, and I'd have not picked up Darnold's 5th and let those two battle in camp to get the most out of each. But I'm also not paid millions to make these decisions so 

Locks: 3

Moore / Anderson / Marshall 

Penciled in: 2

Davide Moore - Physical prowess similar to DJ's, makes a lot of contested catches vertically, has the 3rd most experience behind DJ and Robbie

Shi Smith - Has a build, and athleticism that should make him a good fill in for Curtis, he's not as thick as Curtis, but is closer to a true WR vs Curtis who was a true hybrid

Special Teamer: 1

I think this spot goes to Zylstra because he's been available, and has in game experience, this could easily be Kirkwood as he brings a bit more as a receiver, but he was hurt all year, I believe he only appeared in one game. 

PS:

Bayless / Kirkwood or Zylstra (if eligible) / Simon

34 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Probably our future left guard, as he is slow. But still a great pick

Check the RAS

2 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

2 minutes ago, Michael G said:

Someone commented yesterday the possibility of using Donte Jackson at Nickel. Thinking about that I think its possible that he gets a lot of reps there, but rotates outside as well (In the Press conference Fit kept mentioning Donte on the outside). Hartsfield may get some chances to play FS and rotate  back down into the nickel when necessary. Its going to be interesting how all the pieces fit....and we still have a couple days of draft left. Phil Snow has to be Happy!

Bouye, and Jackson will probably be the ones moving in and out based on matchups, I don't see Hartsfield doing a lot of this at all, he was depth last year, and IMO didn't show enough to be more than that. 

Keep in mind Rashaan Melvin is also 6'2, and we have Pride as well who flashed as a rookie. Not a lot of reason for a UDFA guy like Hartsfield to see many snaps in coverage at corner. Stantley Thomas-Oliver had some nice moments too. 

Fuuuuugggg

Dalton - 1yr / 10M, and they traded a future 1st, and a 4th and 5th for Fields

Darnold - 1yr / 4M prior to the 5th getting picked up today -- We pass on Fields, this is nagging at me man, shiiiii

Just now, Shocker said:

Agreed, and we definitely could have done a lot worse, like picking Mac Jones for instance 

If we'd done this I would have been done. 

I know I'm not alone in having my hopes for a potential franchise QB crushed by the selection of Jaycee Horn...still sucks a little but. The ONLY thing holding it down for me is what this defense is STARTING to look like. 

DL - Derrick Brown / Dequan Jones / Yetur Gross-Matos / Morgan Fox -- Depth, Bravvion Roy / PJ Jones

EDGE - Brian Burns / Hasaan Reddick-- Depth, Marquis Haynes / Christian Miller

Off-ball LB - Shaq Thompson / Denzel Perryman -- Depth, Jermaine Carter Jr. 

Corner - Jaycee Horn / Donte' Jackson / AJ Bouye -- Depth, Rashaan Melvin / Troy Pride

Safety - Jeremy Chinn / Justin Burris -- And everybody else

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We have made 8 STRAIGHT DEFENSIVE DRAFT PICKS FROM LAST YEAR'S DRAFT TO LAST NIGHT'S PICK. I think today we're looking at Safety, and OL along with trading back to try to get additional picks to address those positions.

On paper we look like we have the makings of a very good defense, the safety spot could also see a veteran come in post draft as we have some room to make a move there. Tonight should be interesting. 

I hope the front office is right, but knowing what Fields brings as a passer / runner, it's bittersweet. 

1 hour ago, DFive said:

Hoping Fields is there at 8 and we pull the trigger. I swear, people are sleeping on that kid and he’s gonna be a star. I was on the Herbert train last year and that worked out pretty well, so I’m trusting my gut again and rolling with Fields. 
 

Either way, this will be the most exciting and entertaining draft in a long time. I got my popcorn ready. 
 

I just don't see how we could operate under the assumption that Darnold is it...

Darnold / Walker / Grier / Stevens

That QB depth is abysmal, and Darnold is UNPROVEN and coming up on either the 5th year option + future extension -- that is a HUGE risk to skip on a QB like Fields, hell even Lance knowing we have a year they can sit, and we don't have to pick up Darnold's option. 

To me it just makes too much sense not to do. 

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ultimately, I think the tea leaves are reading Trey Lance after Shanny's gushing about the read option offense and running QB threat yesterday combined with the rumors that the Niners are likely to hang onto Garappolo for the time being despite multiple potential suitors. Lance is the elite QB prospect who would benefit most from not being forced to play immediately.

I'm not sure which presser you saw, but the one from the 27th seems a little different in tone --

I mean you'd have to see it at least somewhat as cold feet on a prospect, to me them trading up in ''win now'' mode as some eluded to never made a ton of sense when you're looking at the 3rd, 4th, 5th best QB base don how you view -- Jones / Lance / Fields

It's unlikely any of these three guys could be better than Jimmy G. year one...so why not continue to invest in the team as a whole, and now those future picks are gone -- this has gotten interesting, because man if they get it wrong.....sheesh.

The Mahomes jump didn't cost this much if memory serves, and that's what the move will be compared to.

31 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I think we’re on the hook for $7 million of it this year but yay!

For those that don't know how this piece worked. 

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The idea that fans not knowing who a team's left tackle is means the position isn't that important has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.

Ask any quarterback if his left tackle is important.

No, the point is ARI solved their QB issue by being aggressive and not working with ONLY left overs. 

The BEST LT's are known by name, so the POINT that you missed is, you can get the QB first and BUILD around them knowing you have that position settled. 

But being as you are it's no surprise the sentiment of the statement was lost on you. 

55 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Darnold is 23 and mostly just a kid still. He may not ever be more than he is now, but the way to find out is by giving him a fair chance. Give him better coaching and a better supporting cast than he had in New York. Having a first round QB looking over his shoulder would not be a fair chance. The pressure to start the rookie would be too great. The fans would be calling for the rookie to start the second he is drafted. Even if the coaches wanted to use Darnold, they would have Tepper's pressure to start the rookie too as he would want to see his new rookie out there.

The only LTs that hit the market are those that are past their prime or not worth what they want to get paid. Having a franchise LT on a rookie contract with a fifth year option would be beneficial to the team as well.

This is the NFL, there is no such thing as FAIR, produce, and be available -- we moved off our franchise's BEST player for those reasons. 

Darnold doesn't get or deserve a ''fair chance'' if a better option is in the draft, he was Plan F up to this point. 

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is a big reason why some of their drafts have gone to sh-t.

Eagle scouts have complained that they'd have a whole draft board set up, be ready to pick the next guy on it and then Howie Roseman would just go completely off script. Some believe he was covering for Lurie.

That's not much different than Jay Gruden complaining that the personnel guys would do all the research, have their plan in place and then watch Dan Snyder come in and tell them who to take instead.

I'd like to hope Tepper is smarter than to pull sh-t like that, but we don't know.

Eagles have a Superbowl, if he was pulling strings in that window come on down bahahahahaha -- it's gone to poo since then sure, but they got a Lombardi. 

25 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

The trade for Darnold was just to give us flexibility entering the draft. So no matter how the draft falls the Panthers are in a good position to either select BPA, trade down for more picks, or maybe even select a QB we believe can be our guy if he falls to #8. Also those picks we gave up was nothing. In the NFL if you do no believe you have a franchise QB and you are not actively looking for one then you are doing something wrong. The cardinals are good example of this.

People really act like they didn't take Rosen at #10, then Kyler at #1 the NEXT YEAR! But, but Steve Wilkes wasn't a good coach, he didn't have anyone around him...

Arizona got Kyler and flipped the offensive personnel in just two seasons...and given Kyler's size may have had more questions in NFL transition than a guy like Fields or even Lance who are every bit as mobile, but 225+ and each is 6'3'' or taller.

We are not, and should not be married to the idea that Darnold is the answer. Also without google, can ANY of you name the LT for the Cardinals....I'll wait. 

If you care about PFF they finished 12th, and we finished 18th. -- https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings -- And we did that with a revolving door at LT, and started a UDFA the majority of the season at LG. 

 Erving / Rookie / Little / Scott -- gives us options at LT that we didn't last year

Elflien / Rookie -- Gives us options at LG that we didn't have last year

C, RG, RT -- all return starters from last season, I feel good about where we could go on the OL, and in the training camp / post camp FA market. 

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If our draft looks like this after 3 rounds I'd be fine:

• QB / LT / G

I could also see trade backs at the top of the 2nd / 3rd to add additional picks to take fliers as well to help increase our draft capitol. 

The last time the Panthers had a 2nd Round QB (trade capitol given up for Darnold) vs a 1st Round QB in camp was............................

Jimmy Clausen vs Cam Newton, just sayin' 

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much. The way I put it was that you don't want the least knowledgeable guy in the room to be the one driving the decisions. That's how you wind up being the WFT.

Tepper stated at Fitterer's press conference that he knows he's not an evaluator and he's not going to try to be one, so I'd really rather not see him going back on that statement.

You're a businessman, not a football guy. Let the football people do their jobs and butt out.

WFT was in the playoffs even after a loss to us, and here we are as a board thinking Sam Darnold is the future, lord save us. 

I don't care that he's 23 years old, give me the top prospect and rookie pay to build this team around vs having to pay 20M on Darnold's 5th year, and 1) paying him beyond that or 2) having to start over again. 

This off-season is the cross-road, take a swing at a top prospect, or look at a guy in Darnold who was not in an ideal situation in NY and hope for the best...I personally like Field's resume over anything Darnold did coming out of USC. 

23 minutes ago, Smithers said:

I wouldn’t mind Fields.  If the Packers can spend an early pick on a QB with Rodgers on the roster, why the heck can’t we?  Same with the Eagles and Hurts...which essentially saved their tails.  

People aren't ready for this level of honesty, there's so MANY sold on Darnold and the ''he was on the Jets'' now that he's here he should be better rhetoric. 

You know who else was on the Jets, and was Darnold's back up....Teddy, and a lot of y'all anointed him too. We have not SOLVED the QB issue yet, having a LT is great, BUT uhhh, who's throwing the ball?

There are more competent LT prospects than QB's not to mention we can spend FA money for one moving forward with a rookie QB contract in place for 4 years, with the 5 year option in 2026 -- THINK ABOUT THAT POO!

39 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I just can’t believe it why do u give all those picks for someone if ur just going to draft one. I really hope it’s a smokescreen. I mean if we didn’t trade for Darnold I would be all for it but now I think that would be crazy with all the value with all these other guys especially LT

Because a QB falling isn't guaranteed, and they are DONE with Teddy. Darnold is insurance, don't know why this is lost on so many people here. We really didn't give up anything aside from a future 2nd. 

The only thing we gave up this year was our final 6th, 2022 comp picks could come into play next year, the 2nd is the only selection of notoriety but we could flip Darnold, and we're likely to receive some pick capitol once we move TB. 

And the 4th next year is easy to recover as well. I don't see any real issues at all.