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Vet min for depth, I wouldn't hate it. We could use another big body, and there are only so many cheap options with experience left.

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Would love to see TMJ emerge in camp making Robbie expendable. We could use some more draft capital. Surely someone would send us a mid-late rounder for him.

 

We are not deep enough to talk about releasing a starting receiver. The man had a down year, y'all forgot 2020's production quick AF. 

He was over 1k.

Ickely / Brown / Bozeman / Corbet/ Moton

Let Brady be the swing tackle, Ickey, and Brown on the same side is road grade city. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Skip also doesn't think Matt Rhule and the clownshow (his words but also mine lol) will actually play Baker right away.  Thinks Baker doesn't come on until week 5 or so after another Sam implosion.    

No way in hell Baker don't start Week 1. 

23 hours ago, BrianS said:

Only time Christensen ever looked good was when he was playing tackle.  His game isn't strength.  This is why I have trouble understanding why so many forum coaches want to put him inside.  That's not his game.  If you tell me we're going to use him as a swing tackle, I'm on board.  Getting a quality swing tackle with a third round pick is good business.

Look, if he works out at guard, I'm excited.  I just don't see it.

Give me Deonte Brown at LG, and let him and Ickey road grade, throw Tremble over there as well...Outside zone with CMC, and Hubbard with their ability to cut back inside as needed with Freeman to supplement the power game. 

Brady should be the immediate back up at tackle, the Erving. Daley and Elflein interior depth. Best we can do right now. 

2 hours ago, joemac said:

Coming out of college Mayfield was considered elite with the mental side of things.  Read the Sports Illustrated draft profile on him that was posted in a previous thread.  Lincoln Riley raved about his intelligence and his mental preparation.  They gave him some test called the "AIQ", which is pretty much a modern Wonderlic, and he scored in like the top 10% of all the people who have taken the test.  So, I don't think intelligence is the issue either.  When hes put it all together hes been a great QB.  2020 was a great year for him.  His rookie year was very very good.  Hes just gotta play consistent. 

You mean healthy, people tend to forget he basically pulled a Cam in 2018 and played well below 100% health. 

Literally playing QB with ONE arm. 

2 hours ago, joemac said:

This dude has got CTE or some poo.  This is maybe the most absurd take I have ever seen from a so-called "expert".  Like WTF?  I seem to recall Baker having like top 5 velocity on his passes coming out of the combine.  I think they test those kinda things now, and Mayfield was elite. 

He did, I want to say it was 60 MPH -- https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/08/josh-allen-baker-mayfield-top-qb-velocity-during-combine-throwing-session/

Dan Shonka Article -- https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/

Dan Shonka from Ourlads published the velocity numbers for all the quarterbacks throwing at the combine. Throws to both the left and the right are listed. Allen and Mayfield were the only QBs to hit 60 MPH.

It’s not a surprise to see Allen at the top with 62 MPH. His arm strength is his greatest attribute. Mayfield throwing so hard will stun many critics who label his arm weak or inadequate.

37 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

"I'd choose Darnold, he has been there longer and knows the offense" ... this is when I stopped listening.

It's really sad how MANY shows / media members have this take and push this narrative, it's usually where I tune out anything they have to say as well.

People act like we still have Joe Brady, or Matt Rhules roommate as the OC and the offense hasn't changed COMPLETELY. Now if someone had the take that Darnold has a ''headstart'' with the NEW OFFENSE under McAdoo I could at least respect that. 

But acting like Darnold KNOWS the new offense in comparison to Mayfield is a lazy / uneducated take, and it sucks because no one in the media / ESPN / NFLN etc. even care enough to do that much work. It's just been broad sweeping ''GENERAL'' takes, and any casual fan would also become misinformed. 

The other thing that is crazy and I've even seen this from Browns fans, they act like he didn't helpw turn that organization around on the field -- they were 1-31 before drafting baker. He went 29/30 in his starts. I'm not a Baker fan, or apologist but it's common sense to see he had a huge impact on that team. 

People act like OBJ / Landry were some  kind of set the world on fire duo, OBJ was coming off an injury, and Landry is a volume receiver underneath primarily. Most people can't even name the other WR's they had (Perryman, Higgins, Peoples-Jones, and Callaway) none are marquee. OBJ / Landry are more names than anything to me, not saying they aren't good, but Moore at this point has proven to be better than OBJ, and I'd take Robbie over Landry when he's the 2019 / 2020 version (1900+ receiving those two years).

People also give the defense a ton of praise, but they were ranked off the top of my head in the 20s the year they went to the playoffs. Baker is a clear upgrade to Sam, that simple. 

On 7/16/2022 at 7:14 PM, DJ feed me moore said:

reminder that we had dan arnold under contract for this season but he is now with the jags

THE Dan Arnold, omg what were we thinking!

Perryman is where they screwed up.

16 minutes ago, Basbear said:

It was like Rhule clogged the toilet and keeps flushing years afterwards......Lets hope Mccadoo is a real plumber....

That was a wasted 5.5 million given to Cam, just awful at the QB management form ALL angles......Still only Corral is on the roster for 2023 and theres 37 million in the red........resigning Burns and cutting Elf help a little but theres still 25+ red.... 

hella bad

Saints manage, seems we're taking a similar approach with the cap as are others. There is rollover, salary cap increases, and the never ending ability to move money down the road. 

I'm not too concerned about cap space, it's malleable. 

What do you mean emphasize ''If'' with Ioannidis in relation to his health?

https://www.nfl.com/players/matthew-ioannidis/stats/career

He's played in 14 or more games 4 out of his 6 years, and 10 as a rookie. 

He had the injury TWO YEARS ago in 2020 where he played 3 games. In 2019, and most recently in 2021 he played 16 games each. 

His health hasn't been a ''?'' during his career. 

So Robbie in 19, and 20 had almost 2000 receiving yards combined if not just over that (from memory).

Yet with a bad QB, and OL you want to hold a down season strictly against him...

Some of y'all weird af.

CLE had a really good OL, and one of the best backfields in the league (Chubb / Hunt)

I will say their receiver situation was never great, OBJ was hard to read his time there from a casual perspective, Landry to me was never ''special'' just a high volume guy underneath with some shots deep to compliment, then after that some ''forgettable'' guys or at the very least not household names (Peoples-Jones / Higgins). 

I think we have a better set of receivers, and we have untapped potential at TE that we saw a flash of with Ian when Olsen went down in 2018. Our OL is improved and should be at least average, and our division overall is not as strong as the AFC North has been. 

So for now ''meh''. 

On 7/1/2022 at 1:39 PM, SammyFranchise said:

The Biggest Challenge for Corral will be the fact that he has never done anything under center. IMO in order to be a super bowl caliber QB you need to know how to throw from under center in the NFL. Getting the foot work down, getting enough repetition where it becomes muscle memory will take some time. 

Just looking at Corral and Darnold standing side by side, Corral looks very undersized. You throw him out there too early, without the ability to play under center, he will eventually get hurt relying on read options plays in the NFL

 

 

Have you seen the last few teams that won the SB..."under center" isn't really a thing like that anymore. 

Teams operate primarily from the gun, you simply need a top QB period, had nothing to do with under center. 

44 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Early reports are he's having trouble pre snap but is doing well after.  Got to get that up to speed first. That's a crucial part of the job. He has to get everyone set and have time to read the defense before the clock runs out. I seriously doubt he can read an nfl defense well enough at this stage. Fingers crossed . 

I would love to have him start though.  He still has a lot to learn despite my hopes that he can be the guy.  

Give him the Jared Goff treatment like McVay did (In his ear with the info each and every snap). 

I think the reading of the defense part is over-blown a little if communication is live until I believe 15 secs on the play-clock. Likely not available with Brady given he literally had ''0'' OC experience, and not defending Rhule, but in an interview a while back I don't think he wanted Brady, but it was a decision that was funneled from up top, they wanted a ''slam dunk'' hire that off-season and Brady was the hottest name at the time. I still don't think his compensation was ever made public.

12 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Paraphrasing here...

"Ben MacAdoo, he brought a bunch of new things, things we had my first few years that we kinda got away from but now it's back."

Really have to hear it to feel the impact. It was a "this is an NFL offense again" statement.

This was the same thing I took away from this portion, it was clear he wasn't trying to throw Brady under the bus and be a classy individual. 

But he seemed happy about the items that are returning, if you haven't listened you should consider it. 

14 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Robby becoming more expendable 

No, he's not, not when the depth is just Higgins, Zylstra, and Shi Smith who still has pending charges, Robbie isn't expendable until next off-season, we have NO real depth, and TMJ has to do it on Sundays first after he spent some good time in the training room his rookie year.

I dunno why people act like Robbie was not legit coming here after 900 + yards with the Jets, then drop 1K with us with Teddie....he had a bad season, but I mean look at what we had at QB....and the OL didn't help the passing game either, nor the OC. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fitterer is the guy who repeatedly said the best path was to take a young quarterback and build around him.

Not sure I buy that he's the one pushing for Mayfield.

Fitterer could still feel this way and want Baker, GMs want to win also, Baker gives you the one year to let Matt develop, while also being competitive as it's clear Baker is an upgrade over Sam. 

33 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

If we truly want him I don’t understand why we are so hung up over a few million dollars. It won’t carry over into next year and I think we have the space to make it happen. I just don’t understand 

Likely do to a few items:

1) Possible FA interest in other vets (Dunlap)

2) Post Camp Cap in reserve

3) Carrying over ''roll-over'' cap

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This is also backed up by the fact we were reportedly considering taking Howell even after we had selected Corral. 

I actually don't dislike the strategy. But, while Seattle eventually ended up with Wilson, Cleveland also did this for the better part of 20 years with little success.

So, we could get Wilson or we could get a parade of bad QB's over the next decade plus.

There's roughly a 50% bust rate on QB's in the 1st round, I think that stat is lost on people, every year a player, or players are taken top 10 and flame out early. 

Just look at Baker's class, for all the poo he gets, Darnold, and Rosen who were consensus number one QB's on most boards are terrible, whereas Baker who was viewed as the 3rd is the better of the three. Keep in mind Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson <<< this was the same class for 2018, 5 QB's in the first round.

The year before in 2017 was Watson, Mahomes (Trubisky drafted before both).

Those were some good QB years overall, but history shows it's hard to get one so you have to swing when you have an opportunity, it's why I wanted Fields even IF / THOUGH we traded for Sam, as Sam was not a proven commodity, then picking up the 5th year, Matt's a freaking idiot. 

All in all Ickey will be the starting LT once it's all said an done. 

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Did you expect anything else from these guys?

Not ''these'' guys...Rhule. 

45 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Really?  That is truly fascinating! Tell me more.....

Splitting reps or even starting a likely one-year mercenary over a 2nd round pick that needs a lot of PT to prove if he's the right guy going forward isn't the smartest move.  We are talking about the Panthers though.

If Dunlap played 38% of the snaps in SEA (in 17 games), and Burns as a current example for us played 69% of the snaps, then a 62% snap count for YGM isn't out of the equation for the ''younger guy needs play time because he needs those reps'' crowd. (This would actually be pretty smart asking him NOT to HAVE to do too much in what is likely to be his first season as a potential FT starter)

Then Haynes covers the 31% behind Burns in this example. I don't think there is a concern here. 

Your comment comes across as if YGM needs ALL the reps and that's not realistic, even our best pass rusher was under 70%.

To keep a guy like Dunlap (33 years old) fresh that sub 40% is perfect; YGM plays downs 1-2, and can move inside on 3rd -- Burns / Ioannidis / YGM / Dunlap

That is a nice passing down Nickel set with -- Haynes / Brown / Nixon, and maybe Luvu / Barno as rotational depth pieces as well.

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Roy gets tossed around pretty regularly and Hoskins is still a bit of a question mark.  I wouldn't mind throwing a vet in there for depth/experience.  

I'm still ok with the young guys going into year 2 / 3 on the interior, can't see a big improvement on the FA landscape cost vs production comparison wise.