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22 minutes ago, CRA said:

OL was decent when asked to play football like it was 1990.  To an extent that's still a problem given that's not what you want to do in the year 2024.

Exaggerate much....1990...having a Power run attack with a 230 LB back is what MADE sense, we literally became a top running team.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

But he hasn't.

If he had he wouldn't have finished with the lowest yards per attempt of the last 20 years.

So are we just going to ignore the absence of receivers that can separate, and the absence of a consistent, and reliable deep threat?

What about the regression of the OL limiting time to throw down field?

There were a lot of factors at play, and quite honestly we probably don't win a game without Bryce executing the comeback drives.

Are people really so locked in on hating Bryce for whatever reason that the facts are continuously ignored as to the offense as a whole?

2 hours ago, csx said:

He needs a lot for a #1 pick. He was supposed to make those around him better.

How does a QB make pass protection better when his blockers are beat at the snap...

How does a QB create separation for receivers...

How does a QB catch a pass that hit's a receiver in both hands when open...

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I get it some people weren't Bryce fans ( I wanted AR15), but at the same time, let's not be ignorant about the common sense aspects of this.

Drastic differences for Stroud with Nico who no one knew of or cared about, and a mid round receiver in Dell, is that Stroud ACTUALLY has time in the pocket. 

Go look at Cam's season's with Bell, and Chandler at OT, we didn't do a whole lot those years. EVERY QB needs adequate talent around them, it is the most dependent position on the field, because you can't do a damn thing at QB without 1) a legit OL, and 2) weapons. 

We are not even going to get into scheme, like do you think Purdy is making -- CMC, Debbo, Aiyuk, and Kittle better....no, they make him look good. Trent Williams at LT you think Purdy is helping him block at the point of attack?

Ya'll gotta stop these ignorant ass posts....

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell, Tepper thought Marty Hurney was a great talent evaluator.

Big reason why I don't trust his judgment.

He was in the first...better than Getts, and Fitt....

On 1/18/2024 at 8:32 AM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Dave Gettleman actually had apologists here

granted he was 1000000x better than Shitterer, but still

Imagine those teams without Cam, Settlement was the worst GM.

28 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

Lol Raven's defensive talent is garbage compared to ours, its bonkers what he's doing.

 

for reference, jadevon clowney is technically the best player on their defense lol

Bro stop...

Roquan Smith, Patrick Queen, Justin Madabuike, Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton....Oweh and Ojabo off the edge...

And you got rhe nerve to say garbage....you don't have 60 sacks with garbage personnel.

And Jadeveon and his 9.5 sacks would lead our team...

Letting him walk for nothing....and y'all the ones hating on Fitt smh.

Franchise, work out a deal both sides can stomach, or trade. You don't lose him for nothing, that's simply not smart. 

1 minute ago, Frank9999 said:

So we are hiring guys saying THIS has to be qb next year? 

I think after a pick swap, the first this upcoming draft, DJ, and a 2nd in 2025 common sense would say to let it play out next year without allocating any more ''potentially'' unnecessary resources toward the QB position. 

IIRC we've invested 11 picks and have had 6 or 7 different starters at QB since 2020.

So while I don't think anyone would be told ''THIS IS THE GUY PERIOD'' our situation does not lend itself to any other viable option at QB moving into next season. This is why most believe 25' is the first year we could see real change, that gives any staff a season to assess where we are under that new regime.

Drafting / trading / signing a QB doesn't do anything for us based on the likely available options. We don't have the ''current'' draft capital to select a QB either without trading back to acquire picks so we can still address depth issues.

Bryce will probably get through next year as the starter, but I can see it playing out similarly to Fields if we find ourselves with a top 5 pick in 2025. Don't pick up the 5th year option, and have a ''possible'' trade asset. 

I'm half of the mind to tag and trade Burns ''if'' we can get a quality first plus some, if not you just have to pay him, and Brown and continue to build the front 7 around them as they both need solid compliments around them.

We should be trying to add assets where we can via the cap space we have since our QB is on a rookie deal. I think we forget how big a loss both our starting Guards were because we didn't look this bad versus ATL Week 1, and they even managed to finish 7-10. We need to bring in a proven WR one, trade Thielen as it's clear he wants to move on to get what we can, and we need to add guys with some YAC / separation / vertical ability. 

Higgins / Chark (who is at least a vertical threat) / Mingo / and a quick twitch (Flowers / Dell / Hollywood Brown type) would round out the receiver room nicely. Similar to Tua, we have to acquire real legit receiving options. 

3 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Gut everything from office to players. Trade every player that is worth anything for draft picks. Get them out of this hell hole. Start completely over from scratch with Dave and Nicole not having any control over personel decisions.( yes I know that part will never happen)

I have never been this down on the organization. There is literally not even an ounce of glimmer of hope. 

 

Start over. Again.

We never started over a first time. 

1 minute ago, KatsAzz said:

Just another one of the many mistakes that have caused the Panthers to be the worst team in the current N.F.L..

We get 4Ms foe next year, relax people. Houston was coming off 9 sacks last season, slow start with no camp then went to IR. 

On 12/19/2023 at 1:57 PM, jamos14 said:

Theilen

Xavier Woods

Luvu

Troy Hill

Vonn Bell

 

That's about all I got.   

Corbett, Horn, Ickey, Chuba, Bozeman, not holding poor play under Reich against them. 

You could also consider Morgan Fox, Iaonnidis, and also Perryman before Rhule ran him out over vaccines.

Scott has his faults, and the 2 and 12 highlights them, but there have been some solid moves as well.

Rhule overlap hurts. 

18 hours ago, Growl said:

pretty sure the knee at the goal line is the analytical play. I’m actually impressed they stuck to it and resisted the temptation.

This guaranteed winning on their (the Panthers) terms, no time on the clock after we kick a freaking chip shot FG; if you are whining about this you lack football IQ.  

This is just...damn.

1 hour ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Are we the only team that is looking seriously at bringing in guys that have been out of the league for years? Cohen, Martinez, now Fluker.

Might as well go after Norwell, he'd probably be no worse of a G option than Jensen or McCray

I never really understood why we didn't take a look at him in the off-season knowing Corbett was going to be limited, and all we had was a JAG (McCray) and a rookie 4th round pick (Zavala). 

20 hours ago, Rastlet said:

Cam played for years without OL and weapons. Quit coddling Young. 

We also ran a Cam centric offense to offset that, we have done anything take this offense function.

QB gets hit before the skill players even break open...even Cam got lit up with Byrin Bell and Nate The former DT Chandler at L, and R tackle. 

Some of y'all either to young to remember or practice active ignorance. 

Cam was 5-11 as a rookie with Smitty, Williams, Stewart, Olsen, Shockey, Kalil, Wharton etc.

Yet people are surprised with what we're doing currently running an archaic offense under Reich...

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Even as bad as everything else is around him, he just can't make simple NFL level throws.

And I don't even mean the wow plays that elite QB's make, I just mean simple throws such as from one hash to the far sideline on a rope to get there before the defender can break it up.

I don't care how much you improve the rest, when the kid just doesn't have the arm to make throws that 95% of back-ups in the league have the arm to make, he's never going to succeed at a high level, no matter how much is fixed around him.

Also what made him successful in college as his ability to feel the rush and step around it to make plays on the move.  The problem is he's not quick or fast enough to avoid NFL level pass rushers, and all they have to do is get one hand on him and he's then not strong enough to break free.

Everyone kept talking about how he was able to do it in the SEC, so he could do it in the NFL.  But I remember making a thread a while back about that, even in the SEC, outside of a couple teams, most teams have at most 1 or 2 NFL level defenders, so he never regularly had to avoid NFL quality pass rushers.

So let me ask because Tua had the same narrative, weak arm, small, etc. 

It was consensus Bryce has a better arm, and there are plenty of field side throws on his Bama tape.

The things that changed for Tua was adding WRs that get open quick. With that we also saw the deep ball to Hill vs Jackson. Name a guy that does that for us. 

We can't be lazy with our takes or stances. 

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

The team around young is bad, but young has done nothing to help elevate them either. Hes just to blame as others.

 

Again the bears and giants have teams either just as bad or worse than the panthers. Two different UDFAs have started mid-season and won double the games young has with 10 games.

 

Just the facts. 

NYG - Waller, Saquan, Slayton

CHI - Moore, Kmet, Mooney

Our offenses can't even really come close to matching those trios, and they're not great trios.

I personally felt Anthony Richardson had the most NFL upside (See Cam, Lamar, Hurts as casual projections given his skillset), I was ok with Stroud though he lacked some of the athleticism that is my preference. Bryce was my 3rd choice, the size was a hard sell for me (pretend I used a Druski gif here)

However, I see a TON of people acting like Bryce is the primary issue, or the OL, or the lack of weapons...the OL and weapons have underperformed....but why is that?

Chark has a pro-bowl and a 1,000 yard season to his name with Minshew in JAX

Sanders just came off a 1,200 yard rushing season with PHI and to the ''PHI has a better OL'' folks, please remember that with this SAME offensive line save the injuries we had TWO running backs at / over 5 ypc -- our run game ''literally'' got better in the absence of CMC, now I don't agree with the trade per se, but we did improve running the ball.

The two things ANY rookie QB needs is, first a good defense, and believe it or not ours ranks relatively high (through Week 11 - we are 7th) -- https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2023-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats -- Let that sink in as you ponder the absences of guys like - Shaq Thompson, Justin Houston, Jaycee Horn, YGM, Von Bell, and even Xavier Woods for stints at a time each. 

Secondly you need a good run game, that was the ONE thing we all thought we had after Wilks was not retained with our OL returning...instead Reich scraps the power run / PA game in favor of a primarily Shotgun based approach where we routinely leave our OL that is best suited for a run first approach (as CURRENTLY constructed) and ask them to pass pro 30+ times a game. We all saw the ground success (under center down hill) vs DAL and even just this Sunday the 22 yard PA pass to start the game. 

A coaches job is to maximize what he has, and look to build off that via FA / draft, IMO Frank tried to do what he's comfortable with versus maximizing what we have, and 1-10 is the result. 

Personally I wanted AR, but y'all really hating on Bryce like the weapons, and OL are doing ANYTHING.

Any QB would struggle here. 

All these posts, and no consideration for how poor the OL has been, some of y'all weird. 

Goff, and Lawrence required new coaches bc they sucked, Frank sucks.

3 hours ago, GPantherfan said:

So how does this guy stay on the field always? Teppers neighbors kids or something? WTH

Zavala coming off the neck, and Mays hasn't been much better, I dunno why they didn't go after Norwell after he was released, can't be any worse than these guys we've trotted out there. 

31 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Let's take the remaining rookie QB class out of the equation, Bryce just looks bad. You don't need to compare.  

With protection or under duress, the velocity is not there on his throws, throws are behind or high way more than expected, and these sideline throws seem to just hang in the air forever. He just doesn't have the zip you want.   

Every week I keep saying, we've gotta be patient, can't just say bust quite yet, but he's just not looking good.  There's only so many ways you can talk around that basic point.    

Bro, you can't look good with this OL and receiving Corp.

No one could, personnel matters and ours is straight ass.