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5 minutes ago, Growl said:

I am starting to question if we're high on any rookie QB period after they just offered Detroit the farm for Stafford

Our 1st, and a day 2 or 3 pick is not the farm. I wasn't a fan of that, but it's hard to argue he wouldn't be better THIS year than who we would get at 8 if a QB. 

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’m not a huge fan of Lance because he seems more boom or bust than most QBs in this class but I’d absolutely take him in a heartbeat over Jones, Trask, Newman or Mond. 

Josh Allen was boom or bust, many at the time felt similar about Mahomes (10th overall), you can't hit a homerun if you don't swing the bat!

Give me potential and upside with + athleticism, and let the coaches do what they are paid millions to do!

9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Jacoby is a free agent

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jacoby-brissett-19045/

Then pay him over TB if they can't do better than a TB quality QB. Doubt there is a huge market for him, could even see a return to NE as the main option aside from staying in IND. 

Just don't see them trading for TB. 

Just now, TheCasillas said:

The colts would. Especialyl if they draft a young qb. They dont have a qb on the roster with NFL experience. Also, if we trade TB - whatever team that gets him , wil have him on a one year deal with the majority of the deal paid for by us. Its not going to be hard to offload Teddy.

Doubt it, they still have Jacoby Brissett who people could argue is better than TB or at the very least a lateral move, and they took Jacob Eason last year. 

If they make a QB move it's for a clear upgrade. 

10 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Not sure where the worries about his contract are, would be two years with $19M a year on the books. He'd be earning less than Teddy. And I don't think Carr is a bad QB at all, but his coach has never successfully developed a QB.

There's a reasonable contract and player that might be worth taking a good look at.

While still on the hook for TB's dead money so this makes no sense. Even when it came to Stafford, no one is trading for TB to lessen his hit on the books. 

Makes sense to draft a QB whether we trade up, or at #8 if Lance is there, and have the rookie sit for a 1/4 or 1/2 of the season; and then let them play it out. TB's cap hit after 2021 is 5M dead money, if we move on from him this off-season it's 20M. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/teddy-bridgewater-14441/

We don't have the cap to waste on that amount of dead money after what we just went through this past off-season and jettisoning veterans and taking the cap hits. 

So now that the Stafford domino has fallen, is this still viable or will a guy like Lance be there at #8...

No. 

Jones is like every other ALA QB, product of the environment. And for those acting like mobile / athletic QBs can't deliver the ball that is just an ignorant perspective. 

Lance, Fields, can deliver from the pocket, the athleticism and mobility is just a +

I don't want a 1-dimensional QB, outside of Brady / Brees / Rodgers, the most successful teams have a guy that can move and extend plays at a high level + turn the corner on a defense. (Mahomes, Jackson, WIlson, Tannehill, many forget he was WR)

41 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I’m about another Teddy/Stafford decision away from sitting this regime out and coming back in a few years after everyone is fired again. 

I can't lie, these decisions are both sus, you HAD Cam who is better than Stafford, who can't even be compared to TB, and you come full circle willing to give up #8 on a QB older than Cam with just as much wear and tear WHO HAS NEVER WON A POST-SEAON GAME...after cutting a QB who was less expensive than both of these two...

Rams saved us from ourselves, you never shop hungry, I'm ok with trading up for a QB since the salary of a rookie QB is that valuable IF you get the pick right, I see no point in a kings ransom for DW if we lose top picks for several years and are on the hook with a 35+M QB, and no cap flexibility to bring in quality free agents. 

I feel like that point is over-looked by so many.

I want a young QB, and that contract, use that additional cap over the next 3 years to field the best team possible. 

Just now, TLGPanthersFan said:

Whatever you say man. He had a failed career. He is annoying. But that is my opinion. 

7th rounder had a failed career...

12 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

John Ellis likes him, I don’t know why. I remember him saying he had a great career during the podcast Ellis had him on. That was hilarious. He was never a starter and his stats were terrible. 
He is WAY too involved and is kinda riding his brother success. Like he had a failed career and is using his brother.  Personally I don’t like him, but I know plenty of people do. 

Yet none of us made it to the NFL, and we post on the Huddle, and we reference someone who at least made it to the pros as a failed career...sheesh. 

He comes across as vocal, and doesn't share popular opinions, and supports the shiii out of his little bro, no different than UNQUALIFIED people on here / twitter. 

I see no difference outside the credentials that we don't have. 

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The amount of hate and discontent about trying to acquire Stafford was ridiculous.

I genuinely sometimes question the football acumen of the average Huddler.

It wasn't acquiring him, it was the cost for a QB older than Cam, with an injury history even if he's been relatively healthy lately. Most would rather take / trade up for one of the young talented QBs in this class, versus having a band-aid / premium money tied up in Stafford. 

We have several holes, and eventually paying 35+ M to a QB with no OL, and no free agency money, and no draft picks is not a situation people looking at those items can get behind 100%. 

At the least when you trade up for a QB, you have 5 years of a talented QB at an extremely modest premium. So with the absence of the picks you traded, you have CAP to plug holes with higher quality free agents. 

To me, that approach makes more sense; that's not a lack of IQ, that's looking at the ramifications of what that trade would lead too....could we sign Moton, could we field a competent OL to protect a less mobile QB, etc. 

13 minutes ago, BrizzMachete said:

Does this mean Detroit pass up on a qb now in the draft ? I hope so 

With Goff's contract they'd have to draft OL or a receiver I'd wager. Defense seems like they had decent pieces. 

Stafford is a good QB with 3-5 years on a playoff ready team, we have playoff ''potential'' but we are not playoff ready. We also do not have the cap to extend Stafford as he is going to want an increase in pay considering he's in the low 20's from an annual compensation standpoint. 

Trading for Watson, or Stafford is more than the loss of picks, it will also be a loss of substantial cap space, and we already have some of our own higher end guys to pay over the next 1-3 years. Moton, Moore, Burns, all of those contracts are either here or on the horizon and they won't be cheap, not to mention the holes we will need to fill in free agency; OL / DL / LB / DB depth. 

Makes more sense to trade up if needed, or draft the QB at 8 and have a talent at QB on a rookies pay scale allowing you to keep the bulk of the team strong for the next 5 years since 1st round picks have a 5th year team option. 

As far as ATL is concerned, it's ''smart'' BOTH ways:

1) Have your QB of the future in waiting

2) Considering the investment in Ryan, Julio, and that fact that they're a solid defense away from being a playoff contender, I can see them also drafting to win

I don't really think there is a wrong answer here for them, they could even trade back, barring injury they likely have 2-3 premium years left in Ryan and Jones, with guys like Ridley, and Hooper at TE, they're in relatively good shape no matter who the QB is from a weapons stand point over that small window. 

Guys have to realize that moral victory will have either cost us the QB, or additional draft capitol. It's going to be a crazy off-season, you'd have to think Stafford is traded before his 10M roster bonus in March so we will start to see things take shape. DET is in a good spot if things play out their way, picking at #7, with the potential to land a 1st + additional comp for Stafford to begin a rebuild. 

53 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I still highly doubt ATL drafts a qb, that would be just a dumb pick

Packers did it a year ago...

Anything can happen, I think we will have to jump to at least 5 to secure one of the ''considered elite'' QB talents. 

I can see it happening, but I'm not sold on NYJ taking a QB considering Darnold is three years removed from a top selection on what has been a dumpster fire of a team. I'd say they could trade back, and look to continue to bolster that roster. 

However, the cost for #2 is high finding a trade partner might be difficult, OL / WR IMO are biggest items to address in NYJ vs securing another young signal caller to bring into a depleted roster. 

6 hours ago, Icege said:

Folks really in here whining that we didn't lose a game like Pederson didn't just get fired for doing what some of y'all been asking.

Lawd almighty

They told him to do that bc he was gone regardless!

And adding Stafford is a not a SB move in the next year to two so there's no point, Cam was healthy and we moved on from him for age / injury history, why would we trade for a QB older than Cam, with an injury history just to move on inside three years...

We went the FA QB route it backfired, and we already have TB's salary for at least the 2021 season, so you think trading picks and taking on Stafford's salary makes sense?

Bigger picture the QB rookie contract is EXTREMELY valuable as it is a fixed rate, that allows you to have cap available at other KEY positions for the up 5 years. It's how PHI / LAR were able to build SB capable rosters around Wentz, and Goff.

Their issues were they paid guys out past when the QB's got extended & they ran into the cap issues. SEA did the same with Wilson for his first several years in the league as well. 

Get the QB, build the roster around them early. 

1 minute ago, Growl said:

so less than what we'd give up four Matt Stafford

But with a trade up there's this thing called cap space that we get to keep, or are you ok with an All-Pro RT in Moton hitting the streets, or not having cap to bring in some veterans to fill glaring holes like OG / LB / DL & secondary depth.

Also - COMP Pick Update

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

Vernon Butler - 5th

Daryl Williams - 6th

Just using this to set the stage on expectations, I'm sure it will as it has always been a premium, this is just to give viewers an idea, something to speculate with based on some form of fact. 

With pick 8, you'd have to assume Lawrence / Wilson or Fields go 1 and 2 based on early mocks / media commentary. 

So that means you'd need to get to MIA at 3, or CIN at 5. ATL is at #4 and could be in the market to draft an heir apparent to Ryan, but there's been no talk that has leaked yet, so let's assume for now their interest is elsewhere. 

Current Panther Draft picks (Provided by): http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft

1st - 8

2nd - 39

3rd - 73

4th - 104

5th - 135

6th - 169

7th - N/A

I will see if I can locate our comps, as I don't think they have been finalized yet**

At 3 or 5, you're likely looking at Fields / Wilson or Lance...

Pick Value (Provided by): https://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

#3 is worth 2,200 - Swap our 1st, and give up our 2, 39th overall (510), and 3, 73rd overall (225) = 2135

(Would likely see a day 3 added in there, or a future day 2 potentially)

#5 is worth 1,700 - Swap our first, and give up our 3, 73rd overall (225), and 4 (86) = 1,711 

Our pick at #8 is worth 1,400

IND - IMO makes the most sense, fresh off play off with the roster to supplement an above avg Quarterback with a big arm. 

Another piece is, it would be hard to believe DET would consider a trade to a team in the NFC. I do not believe Stafford has a ''no trade clause'' like DeShaun so he can't hand pick a destination. 

DEN - also makes a lot of sense since they do not have a lot invested in the QB position as Lock was a 2nd rounder and his cap number at the position is team friendly. 

NE - I have a hard time seeing this, that roster is old, and I would think a re-tool / re-build is in order, they were missing A LOT of pieces due to COVID opt outs, so could be interesting. 

5 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

You can forget all the trade up crap they will not do that.

I wonder how Jeremy Chinn ended up on our roster...