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1 minute ago, BurnNChinn said:

So since we won’t be able to get a QB at 8 because we won too many games, you would be happy with rolling with Teddy 2yds for another 5 wins and be in same spot. Sounds like a great idea SMH

Trading up for a QB is better than, 40 and a 1st for Stafford. How do you think KC got Mahomes, they traded up, PHI traded up for Wentz who was good til' the injuries hit. You don't trade for a QB with a 33M cap hit while also paying Teddy 20M+ and also having no future plan at QB because you JUST traded away a 2022 1st round pick.

That is idiotic. I suppose you don't want to keep the ONE good OL we have in Moton, let alone have cap / draft capital to devote to the OL. 

I swear tg ya'll are mental. 

13 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Folks, Stafford is a starting NFL QB who would be worth a first rounder--heck, we are going to use the first rounder on a QB if we do not get him.

We know we can get 3 or 4 years out of Stafford; based on the fact that he has not been hit as much.  Get Stafford, draft a LT and a TE, and sign a G in free agency--I think that could be instant success.

Stafford/Bridgewater/PJ is a good group.  Draft a QB in 2022 or 2023.  Worth a first rounder.

If you expect us to be good we're picking at the bottom of the rounds...this is not how you set up sustained success. 

Draft the QB this year, avoid paying the premium QB money for 4-5 years as you get the 5th year option, and BUILD UP THE TEAM AROUND THE QB. 

We are cash strapped till 2022, we can't afford to have TWO 20M+ QB's on the roster, what is wrong with you people!?

That is a poo deal. This is smoke. If we don't draft a QB knowing damn well we are in rebuild status I'm done with the team for a while. 

Paying Teddy who we can't cut, only to then trade pick 40, and a future 1st for a QB at the end of his career, plus he's making premium money. 

We cannot be this stupid...

On 1/21/2021 at 9:52 AM, t96 said:

Your title isn't very accurate though as the "new" owner and "new" coach were here when we acquired our current QB...

This is their first stint in their current positions at the NFL level....so ''new''.

Enjoy yourself. 

Now that the GM presser is out of the way....additional thoughts?

2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Post June 1st trade we don’t owe shut outside of 5mil dead cap this season. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/teddy-bridgewater-14441/

Teddy is here until 2022, 20M in dead money if cut this off-season (2021), the June 1st designation if memory serves is to spread the hit out over two seasons. That would make no sense when we need that money. 

In this case it's cheaper to keep him, give the new QB, most likely a rookie someone to compete with. 

Normally when all three of these things align a ''New QB'' is all but guaranteed, so with that being the case what would you like to see?

Initial thoughts, if we trade for Watson how do we handle the dead money from trading or releasing Teddy? Would we be able to FT / extend Moton? Potentially losing multiple first round picks in the process on a team that still has lacking talent on the OL, LB, and secondary. 

Being able to build around a talented rookie at that pay-scale allowing us to bolster other parts of the roster over the first 5 years of a rookie's career is an extremely valuable asset knowing the money that Watson or even a Stafford would command, I'm not really in on Stafford as he's always seemingly an injury risk, and he's older than Cam so that's a move that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  

I'm not seeing the need for a 5th safety. I think I'd rather see an additional receiver, also don't see the need for nine offensive lineman, Gradkowski can play G/C as well as Remmers being able to back up C. I see one of the extra guards losing a spot to a T signing before I see us keeping ten total lineman. 

Aside from that I agree with most of the roster, I think I'd swap Byrd for Brown, and Garrett is my 6th receiver, I think we've seen Browns ceiling, he showed me the same as his rookie year solid 3rd to 5th option. While Byrd may be able to eventually replace Ginn, and Garrett adds another option with size at receiver even if he doesn't see the field often as a rookie. 

If it makes any difference I took a TE in my Panther's Madden franchise after winning the Superbowl (32 man league). Released Olsen two seasons after, won 3 straight Superbowls and a 19-0 season.

It is fated...lol 

EVERY QB will throw a few passes per games to receivers like him because unlike a Funchess, Ginn, or Brown, but more like KB he would, and those other number 1 quality receivers will either go get it, or it's incomplete more often than not. 

I'm just saying you guys treat one of the few players we've ever had worth cheering for like he didn't GIVE HIS ALL EVERY GAME no matter how crappy we were at times. 

And if you don't think #1 WR's don't demand the ball on EVERY NFL TEAM you're an idealist. 

Simple he improves the chance to win THIS year, and retires a Panther for probably a 6th or 7th. I'd pull the trigger, instantly makes us better, being released and away a year has allowed the locker room to establish new voices to the future core. 

I'd imagine a player like Smith Sr. could keep it together and focused for a legit, last ditch effort at a Superbowl run. We literally have nothing to lose, I can't imagine one player, or true fan being against something that makes so much sense, Muhammad came back, Ginn came back, Smith should be afforded an opportunity as well to return and be productive. 

However with all that said I think it's only a dream. 

Good ol' Bersin falling again, geezus, man this kid can't escape the DERP 

Damn, Funch!!!

I can get behind this the #16 on a receiver just never set well with me...that is all. 

QB-3

Cam Newton

Derek Anderson

Joe Webb

I think Webb is the future back up when Anderson finally retires, I really like the way this QB back-up situation has played out.

HB-4

Jonathan Stewart

Cameron Artis-Payne

Jordan Todman

Fozzy Whittaker

(Wegher to practice squad) I really think he’s more talented than Fozzy at the 4^th spot, but with the concerns of picking up the blitz he’s likely looking at a practice squad designation.

FB-1

Mike Tolbert

WR-6

Devin Funchess

Ted Ginn Jr.

Jarrett Boykin

Corey Brown

Jerricho Cotchery

Bersin or Player via cut

(Byrd-practice squad), with so little experience I just can’t see Boykin not making the team, aside from Cotchery, and Ginn he’s the only receiver on the roster with a decently impressive resume. I’ve never been sold on Brown and the pre-season hasn’t helped that.

TE-3

Greg Olsen

Ed Dickson

Brandon Williams

If Simonsen is eligible I think he hits the PS, Williams coming back with three years under his belt gets the nod especially with his special teams back ground.

OL-9

Michael Oher

Andrew Norwell

Ryan Kalil

Trai Turner

Mike Remmers

Darryl Williams

Amini Silatolu

Chris Scott

Nate Chandler

No need to keep Folkerts as Remmers is being groomed as the back up, with Williams starting by the mid-point of the season.

26 Offensive Players

DL-8

Charles Johnson

Star Lotulelei

Kawaan Short

Kony Ealy

Wes Horton

Mario Addison

Kyle Love

Dwan Edwards

Rakim Cox

I think keeping a 5^th DT is over-blown as people over  react a bit to the Star injury, but I do think we keep a 5^th DE.

LB-6

Luke Kuechly

Thomas Davis

Shaq Thompson

A.J. Klein

David Mayo

Adarius Glanton

I really can’t see us moving Mayo to the PS, I don’t think any draft picks under DG have not made the 53, why start now?

DB-5

Josh Norman

Charles Tillman

Bene Benwikere

Teddy Williams

T.J. Heath

Melvin White is the odd man out IMO, sub par last year, and doesn’t seem to be making plays consistently in the pre-season. We keep 5 with Colin Jones’ ability to back up the nickel.

S-4

Kurt Coleman

Roman Harper

Trey Boston

Colin Jones

Not much to see here aside from a guy like Marlowe hitting the PS.

24 Defensive players

Special Teams-3

Graham Gano

Brad Nortman

J.J. Janson

One of the best units in the NFL, and over looked by many. 

Team Facebook issued a post saying the ''initial'' diagnosis is a knee sprain heading to Charlotte for an MRI. 

For additional reference-

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Panthers-await-word-on-extent-of-Benjamin-injury/2a0bd9e1-f304-4eb5-8f84-fafbca145187

Ok so Brown made a team with Avant, Cotchery, and Bersin as I believe we only kept 5 receivers last year. 

Of that group Brown, Cotchery and Bersin are left, out of this group only Brown offers the potential for play making ability. Last year Bersin was the 2nd big receiver of the group, drafting Funchess makes him more expendable. 

Byrd offers more bang for your buck in one to two plays a game vs Cotchery or Bersin in three or four. I mean we were so bad off last year at receiver overall tha we had Cotchery in the pistol as the pitch option....now replace him with Byrd, and put Brown or Ginn back in at that slot position and that is a recipe to really for the defense to choose vs that set. 

Or even as a bottom of the roster guy I'd rather see a young player continuing to develop vs average players like Bersin, or Cotchery if it came down to those three for a final spot as I don't think Byrd will be hidden on the PS after the pre-season begins. 

I think I’d like to see Byrd win the KR spot, with Lee replacing Brockel, and as far as Marlowe is concerned I can live with Harper, and Coleman splitting duties at strong safety, while Marlowe develops on the PS.

We still discussing Ace''who the F is that'' Sanders....

Ace Sanders-

http://www.nfl.com/player/acesanders/2540267/profile

Ted Ginn-

http://www.nfl.com/player/tedginn/2507166/profile

I think my favorite is when Huddler’s just make sh** up, better than Ginn, good lord. Ace has a career avg. of 9.5 yards per catch, and has ‘0’ touchdowns in his career. Even Ginn’s worst year is better than that. Ace had just 55 yards last year….55. Ginn’s career long beats Sanders 12 game total.

I don’t know why people are so quick to hate on Ginn, and some other players here, but Ginn had his ‘BEST’ year with Carolina in 2013 from a receiving touchdowns stand point, and arguably overall, and we were happy to have him back as a needed deep threat, and returner.  

You sure you're a Panther fan dang...

Like a poster mentioned we'd have a substantial amount of room as Johnson's CAP hit will not be 20 million next year, there's also still 12 million in dead money on this season's books, and we're still sitting on 14 million in CAP space. I know we're used to CAP hell/restrictions under the previous regime but it seems we are preparing our CAP to bring back our core young players. Now I'm no CAP/Draft expert, but I'd guess we'd do as follows:

1)Extend Luke, and Norman by next off-season 

2)Extend KK in 2017 (iirc last year of 4yr rookie deal signed in 2013)

3)Exercise 5th year option on Star for the 2018 season, and work on extension

I think Gettleman has expressed his desire to retain core pieces and I think all the players above fall into that category. Draft quality players, sign less expensive veterans and over-looked talent at UDFA to fill out the roster. 

​May be true, BUT Silatolu's cap hit I'd imagine would be higher than Folkert's considering he was a 2nd round pick, and iirc Folkerts is a UDFA with no guaranteed money.

​2QBs

3Hbs

2FBs

6WRs

3TEs

9OL

That's a total of 25 players for the offense, if we go 25 on defense, that leaves the 3 ST's spots K/P/LS. I'd like to see Byrd make it if he's been taking advantage of his opportunities.

5DEs

4DTs

6LBS

6DBs

4Ss = 25

​I think it's more can we make Brian Folkerts expendable and carry 9 OL opening a spot up elsewhere on the roster. 

LT-Oher, Martin

LG-Norwell, Silatolu

C-Kalil, Remmers

RG-Turner, Scott

RT-Remmers, Williams

Perhaps a 6th WR, DB, or a 7th LB vs the 6 we carried last year, or a spot strictly for a ST player, or UDFA we don't want to risk on PS.