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33 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

The one thing I wish Fitt would do is value early round picks better. A 3rd round for CJ Henderson, a future 3rd rounder (which will likely be a top 5-7 pick in the round) for Corral...these are premium picks that shouldn't be wasted on marginal talent. Other than that, I do like being aggressive and trading mid-to-late round picks for proven vets like Gilmore and Shenault.

3rd round picks in most cases are fringe guys as far as a starter goes and can be replaced via trading back as / if needed. 

We need a new NFL caliber head coach.

Laviska PIEnault

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

We talking about Chuba fumbling? because that is on Matt Rhule

Chuba shouldn’t be on the team. He adds no value yet he’s still here. Chuba showed during the pre season he still can’t catch a football so him fumbling a kickoff should surprise no one. 

Then to trot him back out there after he fumbled and have him nearly do it again? Yeah that’s on the coaching staff

This is EXACTLY what I was going to say, Chuba should have been cut after the PS, and we should have signed a FA as they are not expensive. 

When we talk about fumbles, missed blocks, dropped passes etc. we have to look at the decisions the COACH makes with the personnel...

We split reps with Ickey our 1st round selection number 6 overall with BC and WASTED reps in camp to help speed up his development...why? A 3rd rounder in BC was never going to be him out. 

We split reps with Baker / Sam, again NO ONE though Sam was going to win, you don't trade for Baker to sit him, so why did we waste those reps. 

The only other person we really have that's decent at returns is Shi, they had him out there for punts, but not KR, why?

We trade for Shenault, we draft TMJ in round 2, we signed a WR that has years of rapport with Baker, and yet we are force feeding Shi Smith....I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but this is the deepest we've ever been at WR, why are we NOT taking advantage of that?

So while I agree with players have to execute, coaches have to 1) have a plan that CAN be executed, and 2) they have to put the players in the best position / environment to execute. 

To me that is what Rhule has failed at since his time here began, overall we have the same issues we had back in 2020, even with an improved roster. 

If / when he is fired, promote Wilks, I think he'd relate most to the players and could also take over the defensive play-calling, as you'd have to imagine Snow would leave with Rhule. 

I think we'd also see a shift in where guys line up on defense, we had Burns drop 15 times into coverage....why?

Littleton / Shaq are known more so for their ability to cover why are we LITERALLY dropping our best rusher into coverage....? Do that crap with Luvu or Haynes if you want to disguise a zone pressure. 

I'd say the roster as a whole has improved, I don't think that could really be denied, the issue is the coaching at this point seems to hold the roster back. 

The personnel decisions like not playing TMJ / Higgins, keeping Donte' vs paying for Gilmore or Reddick when we have CJ and Jaycee on rookie deals still. 

Starting Elf over Boze, and to be fair Elf looked better at C, than LG last year and it has continued into this one. Erving over Brady for so long last year at LT. 

The ''competitions'' in TC wasting time to build chemistry / install the offense with the guys who would actually be on the field on gameday, NO ONE expected Sam to be announced as the starter. IMO that was Rhule trying to save face for a guy IMO he hand picked as Fitterer had only been here roughly 3 to 4 months before that trade was executed. 

13 hours ago, 4Corners said:

No fuging way. They got their asses kicked last year after half time every game because they didn’t make adjustments. 

No OL, + Darnold, I can't blame last year but so much in that particular dept. 

I am not a Rhule apologist, that's just the facts, we didn't really have the roster to adjust on offense due to such a poor OL.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A 2nd rounder that Marty Hurney loved... well, fug. If that ain't the kiss of death.

Donte' Jackson....Jeremy Chinn....YGM....were the most recent Hurney 2nd round selections, his history before that is 'meh'. 

Two years left on a deal for a top 45 pick, part of the negotiation also centers around the fact you have to pay the salary as well. 

Also JAX had little leverage, so it's all in the hands of the teams that are interested. 

If you don't like the addition it's whatever, but it's evident looking at the situation / stats / skill set, that we added a player with more potential than a Brandon Zylstra, or Keith Kirkwood. 

And no one referenced ''bidding war'' you're just using hyperbole to exaggerate the point you are attempting to make. Just like there was interest from several teams in regard to Mims, but the price was too low. JAX decided to get ''something'' versus just releasing him, or keeping him while paying him with no plans for him in the offense. 

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I liked him in the draft and I'm still intrigued. But the trade value pretty much says the NFL has all but given up on him. I hope we can find a way to maximize his abilities.

If that were true there would not have been several teams bidding, including us I believe the total was 5 teams. 

It was a numbers game -- JAX added Marvin Jones, paid Kirk, and also added Zay Jones, and are under a new GM and regime. 

600+ yards as a rookie and sophomore in JAX with Minshew, and Trevor under Meyers is solid production. More than we got out of our 2nd round pick TMJ, who I am still high on, the OL + Darnold was just not an environment for an offense to be productive. 

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Douglas tried to trade rape us again.. Good Fitt don't fall for the trap...   Again!!

Rhule imo is the reason we gave up so much for Darnold. 

Fitt don't seem like the type to get fleeced, look at all the other trades. 

At that point Fitt had only been here since like Feb or March iirc, move was executed within a couple months. 

Look how well the Baker deal was navigated, limited draft capital, and we got Baker to give up almost 4M.

I could see Sean Chandler at safety being cut, he's a liability in coverage and is behind Chinn, Woods, Burris, Hartsfield, and also Franklin who has sub package LB'er ability. 

Rolling with just two TE's and an H-Back is not something I see them doing, Sullivan offers more than a depth safety at best in Chandler. 

Just my .02

11 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Woah

Nice weapon to have. He can help fill the void when CMC goes down. A Deebo type player

This was the thought I had, jet sweeps, reverses, hands out of the backfield with some carries, he's 6'1 230, almost the same size as Foreman but with a receiver skillet. 

Get him the ball in space in the short to intermediate with an opportunity to break a tackle or make a guy miss. 

Dj

Robbie

TMJ 

Shi

Laviska

Higgins

That right there is a nice WR room, all young with + talent and inexpensive. 

Zylstra been solid but what's the potential...it's limited. 

This has probably been said, but I'm not reading all 6 pages lol....

Those other QBs were ''at least'' getting 2nd team reps, ''if not'' also some 1st string reps due to the fact there was only ONE player ahead of them on the depth chart. 

In the never ending wisdom of Rhule, we decided to SPLIT the 3rd team reps of our 3rd round, traded up for rookie with Rhule's boy from Temple PJ, and wasted his development time even further. THEN we played him behind the freaking 4th string OL backed up in the RZ trying to pass in a meaningless game with under 2 mins left in the pre-season. 

Just an idiotic decision because they want to try to help PJ catch on somewhere post cuts, and now with Darnold out, he likely sticks, and we see Darnold hit short term IR to start the year. 

Can't make this poo up.

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Bugs me that our starting LG is our backup LT, changing the whole left side if Ickey goes down sounds like a disaster. It will also probably take a Jordan or Erving injury for Rhule to play Mays who looked way better than either of them. 

Jordan Gross and Travelle Wharton...Wharton was the backup LT.

A few notes on the following as denoted in red:

I think we are a little to inexperienced at TE, I like Ian and he looked good in his role back in 2018 when filling in for Olsen, a lot is on him right now to shoulder the load. Tommy in year two I expect to improve, but we need a vet for that room, and I'm not against adding a guy like Ebron for depth / experience. 

I don't think Andre Roberts makes it 'solely' as the returner, Shi Smith has looked good in that role, and seems to have carved himself a place in the offense -- six receivers is enough, can't see a spot for a seventh.

I think the writing is on the wall for Brown as he red-shirted last year, and seems to be behind UDFA's like Michael Jordan -- I could see him in favor of Daley a former 6th rounder him self in a slight cap savings move, but it is unlikely as Daley has experience at T / G.

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I set our defense up as a more of a hybrid since we do not run a traditional 4-3, we have a lot of odd fronts, so with that in mind you will see 'Edge' and 'NT / 3T' instead of DE / DT. 

Luvu is the first one that fits this mold as he plays the 'SLB' or 'Sam' in a 4-3 front, but is also an 'Edge' defender in a 3-4 or other Odd front. So when considering ''Off Ball LB'er'' depth he flexes to that group as needed. 

Jaycee Horn spent A LOT of time as a 'nickel' defender in the firs three games, and I think most people tend to forget that, with the resurgence seemingly of Henderson, I think we will see more of this. Myles Hartfield also spends a good portion of his time as a 'nickel' DB so I'd anticipate him in this roll as well aside from Safety depth. 

Burris as a former starter over fringe roster guys like (Chandler / Robinson) seems a better fit, and represents less drop off if he needs to fill in. Sam makes the roster as he can also play sub package LB'er, is one of our best guys on ST's, and has Safety experience as well. 

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Personally I would still like to see more proven players added to the interior DL and Edge position, but I feel very good about our secondary, and honesty our LB'er depth as generally we play 2 at a time in the off-ball position. 

Receiver, and running back depth is also of quality, and on paper the starting OL looks to be average to above average pending Ickey and BC's growth on the left side. 

QB for the first time IMO since Cam, has a guy there with ''It'' and not just a ''guy''. I wasn't a Baker homer, and honestly had doubts with him as the #1 overall pick. However you can't knock his resume' it stands up to most starters, and he's clearly an upgrade over the last two full time starters (Teddy / Sam). He took a team that was 1-31 in the two years before him, and helped lead a 7-8-1 season as a rookie, and in his 3rd year got to 11-5 with a playoff win....we haven't had a playoff win since what...2015 as we lost to New Orleans in 2016, didn't make the playoffs in 2017, Cam's arm in 2018, and in 2019 Cam's foot injury. 

I will pull for Baker, but 7-9 wins is as optimistic as I'll be until we show more on the actual field. 

''IF'' we were to do this I wouldn't hate it as another hitter / box defender to help round things out. 

8 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

What did he do? Thought it was his brother. 

It was his brother based on the video, I think people are just tying him to his brother's actions. I dunno the man but what his brother did is some bs. 

WR:

DJ / Robbie / TMJ / Higgins / Smith / Zylstra

I know Roberts was brought in as a KR / PR specialist, but he doesn't offer as much as Smith in the receiving game, and Shi has looked good as a return man. 

Secondary:

Corner - DJ / Horn / Henderson / Taylor / STO / Barnes

Safety - Chinn / Woods / Burris / Hartsfield (also plays Nickel) / Franklin (ST's, SS, LB)

With the addition of Woods it pushes Burris to depth, and with that no room for Chandler, who was TERRIBLE in coverage. Hartsfield / Franklin stick as they play multiple roles. 

Tecklenburg, Barnes, Chandler, Frankllin, Kirkwood, Thompson and Walker.

Based on this list:

Barnes makes it as a gunner / 5th or 6th corner

Chandler over Robinson due to ''Patriots Week'' as the addition of Woods moves Burris to depth and pushes Robinson out.

Franklin is ST, LB, and SS depth so he makes it as the 4th / 5th safety depending on how they split DB / S.

Kirkwood is cut, and if PS eligible will go there. 

Thompson is cut.

With Corral out of the mix I think we finally see PJ cut with Sam as the backup for a cool 18.8M.

IF somehow we find a way to eat salary / move Sam for a lowball pick PJ sticks around.

5 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Very smart move. Matt is far from ready and the other two are who they are. Was it Rhule trying to save his job, Fitts trying to get a plan B if the kid didn't work out, or Tepper trying to get some wins and save the fan base and the PSL crowd

What you think?

 

 

It wasn't Rhule

3 hours ago, Captroop said:

I suspect someone gets stashed on the IR.

• Moore
• Anderson
• Higgins
• Smith
• Zylstra -
• Roberts (KR/PR)

Saunders and Kirkwood will shoot it out with Zylstra for the last spot. But I think Zylstra nabs it. He's reliable, sturdy and has proven he can haul in a catch during real games. That always wins out over training camp heroes. And I suspect TMJ or Smith gets IR'd by the end of pre-season.

You're missing TMJ

46 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Unless we eat 3/4 of his salary I agree. Even then, he's not a NFL starter in most peoples (not just huddlers) opinion.

To a lesser extent, the same could be said about Robbie. His contract is a lot higher than the talent he's shown. Even if last tear was a fluke, his ceiling is WR2, and he's on the books for $11M this year and $10 in dead cap next season. 

WR 1 Money -- 20M

Robbie -- 11M 

He's right where he's supposed to be, we don't have ANYTHING on this roster that steps into a number two role at the moment: TMJ is the only one with that potential, Higgins / Smith are WR 3/4 guys atm. 

I like Smith's potential, but there is a lot ahead of him, he may not reach it here, but he is solid depth. I see WR fairly early next draft, off-ball LB'er as well. 

13 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

It's threads like these that remind me just how amazing this franchise has been BLESSED with RICHES at the linebacker department. Really, an embarrassment of riches. So much so, that our fan base doesn't know how to react with were not representing the best in the league.  

The reality is we are good at linebacker.  We won't be like what we're use to, but we have a good, talented group that can play, and make plays.  

And to think most of you didn't even want Shaq on the team. 

This sums it up well, Morgan >> Beason >> Davis >> Kuechly -- heck of a last 10+ years'ish

Shaq - 100+ tackles in 22'

Wilson - 100+ tackles in 22'

Luvu - Had one of the better TFL totals on our team in limited snaps

Wooten - Former pro-bowler iirc with LAR, picked off Cam in the season opener vs LA back in 2019

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With Woods, Chinn will ''likely'' see more time in the box, not as a LB'er but as a true box safety to take advantage of his run support, and cover ability on TE's. 

Then we added Brandon Smith, an athletic profile freak with the prototype size to match, Barno who will spend more time on the edge also increases the overall athleticism of the defense. 

We may not have that ''one'' guy like we are accustomed to, but the depth / position group talent is in relatively good shape. 

You're not gonna give up all that for an offball LBer that wants MARKET RESETTING money. 

Y'all really be on some poo, wanting to trade Robbie and Sam bahahahaha ok yea who's taking on 18.8M....

It's also why Jimmy is out there, team that trades has to pay almost 23M for ONE season. Teams know they have to release him as he only has 3M in guarantees. 

People should consider a little more thought when projecting trades. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It literally makes no sense.  Cut darnold, eat the contract and move on down the road.  Having him in the qb room and taking reps on the field is corky level retarded.  And people on here think Rhule is getting a bad rap.  But yet he pulls dumb ass poo like this

Nobody is just gonna eat 18M.

Not without exhausting resources to move him to a team that has an injury down the road. Everyone knows this is Baker's job.