Navy_football

Wait, we lost Luvu?!

Damn...

Just... damn...

Burns is no longer on his rookie deal. That changed everything. This is not a fail by this FO. Was hoping for a player and a 2nd, but that was always gonna be the best they were gonna get for a malcontent that didn't want to be in Carolina anymore.

If Dan is any good at the draft, they can pull 2 starters with this trade. Starting OL and WR, for a decent pass rusher that's bad against the run. Remind me again how much Burns has impacted games since being drafted. I honestly can't remember any games he took over. He isn't Peppers, Charles Johnson or Greg Hardy. He was never that guy in Carolina. Maybe he can improve in NY, but this isn't the huge loss to the defense some are making it out to be. 

2 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Extremely limited action but was very effective with the ball in his hands, and was a threat in an absolutely putrid return game.

I can't think of a single skill player on the team that looked like they were lightning in a bottle and just needed more touches except him.  

This is the difference between relying on stats and watching the game. Marsette wasn't wasn't given the opportunities he needed to show what he could do. Maybe he didn't know the playbook. Maybe he didn't practice well. But by the end of the season, he was the only player on offense that looked like you had to respect his speed. 

22 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

I swear he has the it factor... just needs the reps and trust...

Man I agree 100%! Somebody should have definitely made him more of an option during the season. Politics of the game...

This team isn't so devoid of talent that it'd make sense to draft a defensive player other than pass rusher. No other position is in play on the defense with 33. 

WR, OG, OC and TE are much much much bigger needs. Maybe QB, but they need to improve these positions before they really know what they have at QB. 

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I was born in Columbia when my father was playing for the Gamecocks, so I have always been a fan of sorts. I agree.  Of course, I would take Travelle Wharton all day long right now!  And for a seventh rounder, Capt Munnerlyn was pretty good. 

Travelle did us proud! Captain was ok. He made a few plays here and there, but I wouldn't give him "pretty good." But agree that injuries weren't a concern. I guess my theory applies to more recent players. And... I just don't think Legette is the right pick. 

I'm from Columbia, but I think this team needs to give up on Gamecocks. They all seem to contract the injury bug when they come to the Panthers. 

Edit: In other words, no to Legette at 33. 

11 hours ago, rayzor said:

Inspired by the visits

 

Air force?! Really bruh? 

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

That's Adonai Mitchell or Ladd McConkey. 

Ladd McConkey running a sub 4.4 is all I needed to see. If he's still there at 33, you run that selection in, just in case somebody made a mistake. No replays. 

55 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Fields will make Atlanta competitive, but won't ever get them a ring.

I agree. Poor man's Vick impact. 

Just now, d-dave said:

Hey, hold on guys.  Remember, there are never players available at our pick.  They'll all be long gone.  As it always is, the draft ends before we pick.  Remember past year

Sorry, love the huddle logic lol.

As far as speed merchants go, at least Worthy has the ability to run routes too.  He's not just a vertical route guy.  He can operate in space.

Agree that Worthy looks like a football player and not just an underwear Olympics warrior. Good hands, good route running, great ability to track the ball - even in traffic, and obviously elite speed.

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

2nd is too cheap even with a player imo. 

I look at Jameson as a 1st. He's only on the 3rd year of his 1st round contract. So we'd have him for 3 more seasons on the cheap, given the 5th year option. Burns will need a new one now that'll be nearly 30 mill a year. That will definitely play a role. 

I don't feel like Evans is the best type of wide out to fit a Carolina offense with Bryce and this oline. Short area quickness is more fitting than downfield speed and playmaking. 

7 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I'd love this. Makes sense for the Lions too. They've already got other good WRs and trading a very late 1st for a good pass rusher is a good deal.

I think this makes great sense for both sides. Not sure Burns is worth Jameson and a 1st. I think Jameson and a 2nd would be fair compensation. A future 1st could be in play though. 

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They played it smart and we didn't. They found them a franchise QB then focused on putting the best possible pieces they could around him. We found a franchise QB then thought we had offense solved so we could then spend all our resources on defense. The weapons we put around Cam and the OLs we put in front of him were laughable.

Rivera did the same thing with the oline in Washington. Came in with a really one, and slowly replaced it with defensive linemen. He did better with receivers though. Not a lot better. But better. He inherited Logan Thomas and scary Terry.

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

Here is a little evidence supporting our claim:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sacking-father-time-elite-pass-rushers-productive-into-their-30s/

Admittedly, some of it probably undoubtedly depends upon who a person is paired with, but pass rushers can go to their mid 30s.

Agree in theory, but Burns' pass rush relies solely on his speed. I think it's very possible that Burns hits a wall as he gets to that 28-30 range. Similar to running backs. He really isn't a well rounded hand in the dirt DE.

3 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I mean I remember Peppers being in the MVP talks as a defensive end. Running backs were a little more likely back then but it has always been an offensive back award. 

On 2/21/2024 at 7:51 PM, Ivan The Awesome said:

She's skewing a lot. Yes Burns is good. He's not 30M dollar good though.

 

Lions need to call and offer Williamson a 1st and a mid round pick for him.

I'd take Williamson, a 2nd and a 3rd. And never look back or question the move. Win for both teams. 

33 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

that 11.3 million is for 2025 season. Not this coming. We have 130 million in cap and by then can walk away from Hurst and Sanders so will go up even further. I'd take the gamble.  If he plays good you can walk away from Djax and save another 5million if needed.

I was thinking, wasn't he drafted in 2021? The math ain't mathing...

52 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle are both 5'10 180lbs.  The days of having to be 6'4 225 to be an outside receiver are pretty much over.   Especially if you have someone who can run a competent scheme on offense.

That's fine. As long as they can play outside. Smitty did it at 5'9".

Smith-Marsette definitely has a dawg mentality. He needed to get the ball more once Shenault went down. Anybody could see he was the biggest playmake on the team by the end of the season. But politics are a real thing in sports. Always have and always will be.

I love slot type receivers. But the Panthers need an outside threat to open up the middle. No one is afraid of our X beating anyone deep. That's crazy in today's NFL with the best athletes in the world and we don't have one.

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

So we overpay.   That's the true panther way.   

 

You guys need to forget about guys like Higgins and Evans.  They aren't coming here.  Period full stop

Yeah, I don't know if the Panthers can get Higgins or Evans. I'm just saying players will come to Carolina if this is the best financial offer on the table. The whole idea of guys chasing super bowls is way overhyped. Especially for younger players.

Players will more often go to the team that makes the most financial sense. This hunt for a super bowl ideal is overplayed. This is a job. This is how they make their living, provide for their families, and create generational wealth. Most won't ever make this kind of money again in their lives, and they know it. Super bowls don't pay the bills once you're no longer under contract.