Navy_football

On 10/17/2025 at 2:15 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

Bro he isnt better then Lawrence, Tua, Murray and most certainly not hurts.  But the others being debatable is kindof our point.  The others are making our point about where bryce exactly is talent and development wise in the nfl.  

Lawrence is showing why he's not better than Bryce. Neither is Tua or Murray. But you can have your opinions. 

Didnt watch the video, but I agree Bryce is 100% a complimentary piece right now. No argument there. But to be fair, there are only a handful of QBs that aren't. Lamar. Pat. Josh. Maybe Stafford. Herbert. Maybe Dak? Though not sure how good he would have looked last week without Pickens. A franchise QB can be a complimentary piece.

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He rushed for 74 more yards than Chuba did last year. He also played in all 17 games versus 15 for Chuba.

The point was Miles Sanders wasn't just a guy in Philly. He was at least as good as Chuba has been in Carolina. 

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jalen Hurts was pulling it off w/ Miles Sanders.  You poo'd on Hubbard as not being enough for him. 

Miles Sanders rushed for damn near 1300 yards in Philly. More than any season for Chuba. And I didn't "poo" on Chuba. That's your interpretation. I think he's a gritty between the tackles running back, but he isn't a homerun threat. Never has been. He's a consistent get you positive yards back. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Bryce is basically playing like an average starter while riding the best RB in the league. Not saying Dowdle is the best RB in the league overall, but he has been over the past two weeks.

 

Yep. That's what I said at the beginning before "feelings". He's not playing bottom tier. He's average right now. 

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's because you're reaching HARD. You're gonna blow your back out with these reaches. Flacco literally threw for nearly 100 more yards against a significantly better team.

Yeah 100 more yards on a third more passes, and minus 2 rushing TDs. Same number of passing TDs. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bro, the highest paid OL AND Chubba is a dang good setup.   That's what Bryce had last year.  

Rico Dowdle doing some historical poo for 2 weeks this year, doesn't mean Hubbard isn't a rock solid RB. 

See.....this is what Bryce defending does.  So much gymnastics that you end up where you just did. 

Nope. I said he has been very consistent but he left alot of meat on the bones. You interpreted it how you wanted. If you can't see that, then well...

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have a great offensive line and two really good RBs. Dowdle has pretty much been the best player in the league over the past two weeks. AJ Brown seems like he wants out of Philly because he isn't being used.

They've won those last 2 games too. Bryce hasn't brought them down. He's actually made big plays in those games. Dowdle has been the star though for sure. And yo know AJ Brown and Smith change the way defense play the Eagles. Exchange him for Legette or Tremayne and things would be very different. 

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse.

You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category.

I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

Linville, he had what would be a lot of QBs best games ever. A lot more than just BY. And for the record, I don't think it was better than the final game last season. 

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pretty much. I mean, we have the tools to largely duplicate what the Eagles are on offense.

No we don't. Who is our AJ Brown or Devonta Smith or Saquan Barkley?

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

We got the highest paid OL in the NFL, with good RBs to play with the past 2 years.  Jalen Hurts could just read option and make some safe throws and the O would be more productive than it has been w/ Bryce.   

Good RBs? They had Chuba in 2023 and 2024. It took 2 games to realize he wasn't all we thought he was. Consistent. But left a lot of meat on the bones. A lot. Good luck with that approach with Hurts. How lond do you think it would take for defenses to figure that out without a real threat at WR?

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's comical at this point.  Hes been objectively one of the worst qbs in the NFL going on 3 years now and folks still make excuses

He has. I agree. But so has this entire roster. This entire roster has been arguably the worst in the NFL since 2023. I'm trying to be objective. But this team has been trash top to bottom and you know it. It just pains you to admit for some reason. The oline and WRs in 2023 are the worst I've ever seen in Carolina. They improved the oline in 2024, but then the WRs and defense actually got WORSE! Hopefully they're going in the right direction now, but come on. Let's practice having objective opinions. Not emotional ones. Thanks. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You can't possibly be serious 

So you think Hurts would have won a Super Bowl, a MVP or all pro while playing QB for Carolina the past 2 seasons? Are you serious?

I think I get it now. Some of yall think a QB is the end all be all of a team's passing success. To me, they're just a bigger cog in the machine. One player can ruin a pass play for a QB. One. One player on any pass can completely ruin a play for a QB. One guard's block. One tackle's block. One TE's block or drop or bad route. One WR drop or bad route. One RB block or bad route. QB is THE single most dependent position on the football field. The team determines a QB's success.  

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Hurts? HURTS?! Super Bowl MVP Hurts? 2x Pro Bowler Hurts? 2nd team All-Pro Hurts?

GTFO of here with that nonsense. LOL 

Yeah, ok. Put Hurts on this team. He ain't NONE of that. NOT A ONE! LOL back at you. 

4 minutes ago, NAS said:

I agree Denver had a better offense than us and struggled in London to score

Yeah, their defense isn't as bad as they look on paper. They are fast and will hit. I think this is gonna be a street fight.  4 of their 6 loses have been by less than one score. The other 2 were to the Bills and Cowboys. 

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Goddamn dude if you don't think a good oline and good running game doesn't help set up the passing attack I'm not sure what to tell you.  And Bryce has the better ones of all those except maybe hurts

No he doesn't. He's had the better running game the last 2 weeks. But not his career. Geez. If we're going that route, then how does the defense play into the equation? Pretty big too if going by that approach. How has this defense been the last 2 seasons and first 3 of this year?

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You can't be serious 

So if you have a good running back, that helps a guy catch the ball and get his feet in bounds? That helps a guy go up and catch with 2 hands instead of trying to one hand it and drop? That helps a guy get open in man because you gave him an extra .5 second?

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

some QBs can do more than pass and it's about being a QB.   So you can't cut the diversity in everyone's game out of the equation just because Bryce's size makes it all a bad idea for him.  

First down is a first down.  TD is a TD.  If some QBs are very good at picking those up on the ground they matter.  Chains move.  O keeps getting produced.  

Dudes like Trevor got more first down picks up the ground than any Panther RB.  Being built to go up the middle, take got contact, get a first and survive matters.  You don't have to be Lamar Jackson for ability and attributes to do things besides passing to matter. 

I agree 100%. Cam wasn't the most polished passer and rarely threw with anticipation. But he was all around the baddest dude on the field every game. 

I just thought the argument was about passing. Actually think BY is very underrated as a runner. When he isn't fumbling the dang ball. Hopefully he's gotten that out of his system. 

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

now do line and run game

You're asking who has the better pass blocking and RBs? Not sure that helps receivers get open and catch the ball though. 

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Bro he isnt better then Lawrence, Tua, Murray and most certainly not hurts.  But the others being debatable is kindof our point.  The others are making our point about where bryce exactly is talent and development wise in the nfl.  

Well I disagree. He'd have more passing yards than Hurts on Philly. Tua in Miami. Lawrence in JAX and Murray in Arizona. That's my opinion. None of them are blowing him out of the water right now, and they have more established receivers. 

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

why rig the scenario with the "as a passer" tag.   I mean, I assume you do that because Bryce needs help in the argument.  If we are just talking players and no contacts?  

I mean, give me Young over Russell Wilson.   That's it.   I'd put him on par w/ Penix, Fields, McCarthy and Rattler,  so that's a wash.  Give me everyone else over Bryce.  And I'm not handicapping the other players as passing only because when you start doing that it's really meaningless. 

 

I just said as a passer because that's been the argument right? He can't make throws. He can't make the right decisions. He can't throw over 30 yards. Honestly doesn't change anything for me. None of those guys are scary enough runners that it makes a difference. Except Murray. That little mofo is a blur! Hurts is a great short yards option as well. 

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

name them, genuinely interested in how bryce  

Right now, off the top of my head I'd put him above:

McCarthy

Russell Wilson

Jalen Hurts

Justin Fields

Spencer Rattler

Kyler Murray

Maybe Trevor Lawrence

Tua

Maybe Caleb Williams  

Penix

Cam Ward

I'm not looking at stats. I'm thinking more on the lines of if you traded teams, would BY be able to do more there and would the other QB be able to do more in Carolina - as a passer. 

33 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

who in your opinion is bryce playing better than?  I can maybe name 3/4 guys maybe.

I think I could name more than that. 

Here's a small nuance. Who do you think would be better than BY in Carolina? Who would Bryce be better than on their team? Is he still bottom of the league to you? Just my way of looking at it.