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2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But you’re still ignoring my point in that post.

If he’s our 3rd best WR like you think, then he’d be the 2nd best on the Jets and they decided not to give the RFA tender to him, which would have kept him there on the cheap.

To me that says everything

Again, it's the Jets. They went into the season with Justin Fields as their answer at QB. Sure you want to base your stance on their personnel decisions.

Plus don't they still have Adonai Mitchell and Isaiah Williams? Believe it or not, the Jets had a better WR room than Carolina. 

Just now, frankw said:

Competition in our WR room is good no matter how you want to look at it. That will be very beneficial in camp.

Now if we can only get consistently better ball placement 

That and WRs that are where they're supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there. Talent/ability aside, I think we downplay how difficult it was to go into last season with such an inexperienced group. WRs and TEs were probably the youngest groups on the team.

41 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But again, to your point, it's the Jets and they have nobody outside of Wilson at WR for next year.

So if Metchie is really as good as you think he is, why wouldn't they have made the RFA tender offer to him?

That to me is the bad sign, that the Jets had him there for most of last season and they didn't want to try and keep him despite their awful WR room.

I'm not really calling Metchie great. I'm calling Carolina's WR room let's just say limited. They're light on speed and shifty WRs. He brings physical attributes and a play style the room needs, and has needed for some time. Can he do it at a high level? We don't know that yet. But right now he's better than anybody else on the roster at that role. And overall better than anybody not named McMillian or Coker. Admittedly, not a particularly high bar to clear. And he's a better option than a 5th or 6th round WR they may try to draft to fill that role. He's a vet that should have an easier time picking up a new playbook, and he already has played a couple of years with the starting QB.

2 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

The #Panthers are still actively looking in the TE & Nickel market.

They are also wanting to re-sign T/G Brady Christensen, per source
 

https://x.com/dixonsydernfl/status/2032091365987754178?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

Brady is becoming an actual need now. What's his injury status? Will he be ready to play next season? I don't even know if he's injured at the current. Just know he usually is. 

XL is fine. He just isn't a complete WR. He's a role player. Don't think Canales fully came to grip with that until the end of the season last year. Hopefully he'll be used better next season. This team needs the physical attributes he brings to the table. 

13 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

What?!?!

Say you think he can turn into something at some point, but this is a whole lot of praise for someone with less than 700 yards across 3 seasons of his career.

If he was remotely close to being the 3rd best WR on our team right now, the Jets wouldn't have let him walk without tendering him the RFA offer.

tuka... it's the Jets. Garret Wilson had 395 yards in 8 games. Adonai Mitchell had 301 yards in 8 games.

Metchie had 256 yards in 9 total games played down the stretch when the games didn't matter anymore, and he got there in the middle of the season. He also had the most YAC in the WR room. His game film looks better than anyone on this team not named TMac, and end of the season Coker. Not saying he's a super star right now, but he improves Caolina's WR room. 

4 minutes ago, strato said:

How many teams in three years, yet still available? His numbers suck. I am, independently of Horn, calling him the equivalent of a 4AAA baseball prospect. 
I guess now he is supposed to me my 4AAA prospect. Fine. 

TMac is probably the only Carolina WR that would have gotten on the field in Houston or Philadelphia. Everyone else is cut in training camp. Coker is actually pretty good but it would have been a numbers game for a UDFA in training camp. Remember we waived him and he cleared waivers to come back to the practice squad. 

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

What?!?!

Say you think he can turn into something at some point, but this is a whole lot of praise for someone with less than 700 yards across 3 seasons of his career.

If he was remotely close to being the 3rd best WR on our team right now, the Jets wouldn't have let him walk without tendering him the RFA offer.

Numbers don't tell the story all the time. How much PT and targets do you think Jimmy Horn, Legette or Tremaine would have gotten on Philly or the Texans? He's much better than them if you watch him play.

This isn't a nothing signing. Honestly think Metchie is at least the 3rd best WR on the team. He's been put in some difficult situations with deep WR rooms in Houston and Philly. And the QB room in NY was not good last year. He'll be the biggest separator on the team. Reliable hands. NFL speed. And... history with the QB. He'll make the team and hopefully unlock some trust in BY to throw deep more often. Think he can return kicks too.

10 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Bryce trusted AT. It was part of the reason AT had to go. Bryce had to look beyond AT as a 1st read. If Metchie falls into that security blanket role AT used to fill, it's a step back for Bryce. That's not something we need in such a pivotal year, if that were to happen. 

I mean AT was clearly the best WR on the team when he was here. 

6 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Lots of teams in on Njoku currently…expect a signing soon

Top 5 teams to watch; #Eagles, #Commanders, #Bengals, #Dolphins, and #Broncos. 

The former Browns Superstar is expected to sign a multi year deal projected at 3 Years 29 Million.
 

https://x.com/rickeyjrscoops/status/2031730904390095025?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

We can't put that into another weapon with iffy ability to stay healthy. Already counting on a now 3rd year WR that has missed a third of his first 2 seasons to injury. 

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah there's too much smoke around Lloyd with us.  If it goes down, I just hope it's nothing insane that makes us need to restructure in the future.  He's getting Roquan/Warner money, inflation adjusted.  He's getting like $21.5 mil/yr.  Get ready for that type of contract with him to beat others out.

I just think some of these guys in the 9-15 mil range are of similar value (Edmunds, Chenal, Okereke, etc.).  But if it happens, it happens.

 

Agree. They don't need to go for the best FA at any position right now. Let's just get NFL average on the roster then draft our super stars. 

But why are we singling out the QB? So none of the olinemen made bad plays giving up immediate pressure - up the middle by Corbett, Mays, Zavala, Hunt and Lewis and outside by Ickey. Didn't see them point that out. Jaycee didn't get torched by Olave in both Saints games? Didn't see them point that out. TMac dropped passes in big situations. Jimmy Horn dropped a pass in the playoffs. XL forgetting how to control his body on the field. Moehrig misplayed the pass that led to the game winning TD in the playoffs after our QB led us to a 4 point lead with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. Defensive pass rush was almost non-existent except for a few games. None of that was brought up and you don't seem to have issue with it. But every bad moment by the QB should be highlighted in a hype video?

Bryce may not be the answer. Right now I don't think he is. But I feel like he can be if he is more aggressive passing downfield. Either way I'm not gonna crap on a guy that's really not in a great situation, because I expect him to correct all the wrongs and deficits of an entire team. 

Great behind-the-scenes Hype video that gave kudos to Canales, Bryce, Jaycee, Mike Jack, Derrick Brown, TMac, Moehrig, Rico, and a few others. 

A little disappointed by many of the comments. Sad and a little weird the video can't be enjoyed by those that hate Young that much. News flash - he ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Just my opinion... but if you can't enjoy the team with Bryce Young as the QB, then you're probably wasting your time cheering for this team right now. You're either gonna be disappointed by the wins, or find yourself looking forward to the loses. Not a good place to dwell in as a fan.

5 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I like it. I really like getting smart players and for such a hybrid type it's going to take one of those. You don't get into Annapolis on a pure athletics scholarship ever. The year you go in you are one of only 100 candidates (or thereabouts) with massive factors of scholarship, community service, character and commitment.

Pair that with the tape and youch. Might need to swing earlier than later.

One question, though, what about his military service requirements? Staubach had to wait out his required active service time, others have been given recruitment type positions in the off season. Not to mention that as an officer (as all Academy grads will become) he could be called to active duty at any time, especially with our current president's proclivity for sending in the Navy.

 

There are a couple of options. One is just to not accept your commission and just pay back the Academy for your education. Alot of money for normal folk, but if you're drafted high enough it's a drop in the bucket. You'll need a waiver not to go in enlisted, but normally drafted players get waivers to join the reserves instead of active duty military. Showing that you can actually go to the NFL from a military academy is much better for recruitment than having one more officer on a ship/sub/aircraft. Things were different in the Staubach and David Robinson days. I remember Mike Wahle just paying back the Academy after getting kicked out for steroids after his junior year. Not a big deal when you're drafted in the 2nd round. 

Also follow the team closely. That many carries as an A back (slot) in Navy's offense is crazy! That speaks volumes of what they thought of him. Usually the B back (fullback) gets that kind of load. He's solid. I don't know if he'd be dynamic in the pros (didn't seem that explosive) but he'd be solid. Great hands and good route runner. Solid as they come. And the type of guy that would run through a brick wall for you. Whenever Navy needed a play you knew it was going to him. 5th or later would be a quality pick up. Probably rack up 20+ tackles on kick coverages and the type of guy that would get better every year. 

Just now, csx said:

Agreed. This is why I believe we should get a veteran Inside linebacker. The market is prime to pick one up. 

Yes. Need to upgrade Rosenboom, but not sure if going after the big names is the right approach. Unless that guy is young enough to be here for at least 4 or 5 seasons - and play at a high level the entire time. 

Every player can't be a top 20 at their position. We have to get out of that mindset. The good key players at key positions will fill in the gaps for them AND help them improve over time. Bring in FAs that are good enough. Not the best FA at his position or a great player or even a particularly good player. Just an NFL level talent. The good key players that fill in the gaps should be acquired through the draft. That is why you get the best player available unless it's a position you already have a good key player there. Exception is if your team is on the cusp of having a super bowl team, and a few plays a game will actually make the difference. Then you chase the big time FAs to get you over the hump. You don't spend on big time FAs when you know you're 3-4 years away from competing. The cap and average length of NFL careers aren't built for that. 

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think we're largely speaking the same language. It's put up or shut up for Bryce Young this year.

Agree. I can't hold him to wins/losses (that's a team stat), but he has to command the offense and put up more competitive numbers. In my opinion, there should be enough on the offense to have success right now before the draft and FA - even with Yosh as the starting LT. 2nd year TMac, 3rd year Coker, 2nd year Etienne, 2nd year Horn, 2nd year Evans, 3rd year Sanders, Chuba, and Tremble. If Brooks is back to form, then that's the homerun threat we've been missing out of the backfield. If BY starts reading deep to shallow, instead of shallow to deep, then you'd likely get something out of Legette too. Either way, it's enough to put together a "respectable" offense without so many complete lapses in games. Difference between me and you is I think his biggest issue is not being aggressive often enough. You seem to think he just doesn't have the physical ability to be a QB in the NFL. This may be his last chance in Carolina to prove us wrong. If he doesn't, he'll play 2027 on the 5th year option as they look for his replacement. 

Remember when Isiah Simmons was a can't miss Butkus award winning LB prospect picked in the top 10? Ridiculous (in a good way) combine. Ended up being the least productive LB in the first round of that draft class.

9 hours ago, strato said:

He flashes, like a caution light. What did he do the very next game?  For example. 
It was SF MNF. Not too good. IIRC Canales tried to parlay that Atlanta game into okay Bryce can beat you with his arm. How did that work out? It flopped. 

That is what we have been sitting here saying. He has played well but then it disappears back to same old Bryce. His floor is the problem more than his ceiling. He must raise his floor. That is the assignment and honestly it was the assignment last year too. You ready to pay him? 

Not the next highest paid QB type money. Heck no! His inconsistent play is his biggest issue. His ability isn't as inconsistent as his mindset. Some games he's just out there dinking and dunking and completely ignoring anything over 20 yards. The statement I was responding to was he hasn't flashed in 50 games. That's just not true. When you throw for 450 yards in a game, but average under 200 yards, then that's absolutely a flash. He's shown that he can be productive. He just plays uber conservative some times. Game to game. Quarter to quarter. It's mind numbing some times. 

11 hours ago, frankw said:

His two best career games as a Panther were both in a dome in Georgia. I mean credit where it's due let's hang the banner. But what's his record everywhere else? What's his record against the Saints?

Whoa! I'm not defending BY as a franchise QB. Just saying he has flashed. I mean you can't flash any more than that. That and the 2024 Atlanta game with 5 total TDs. Agree that consistency is his biggest problem. Some games he just flat out refuses to throw the ball deep. It's so frustrating to me. 

47 minutes ago, strato said:

I can see that too. I am keeping in mind that we may have two shots, another next year. 
A guy taken this year could become ROT maybe as soon as next season. So maybe there is a second round guy if they don’t like the options at 19. 

ps I would understand if they hesitate to jump in with both feet for LOT until they have a definitive take on if Icky can come back.  

I kinda agree that Yosh will be the answer next season. Maybe a day 2 or 3 guy at offensive tackle as a developmental project. They have to take a stab at a blue chip pass rusher and/or ILB early.

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Strange hill to die on

Why is that a hill to die on? That's the very definition of a flash. Definitely not the norm. Huge flash.

35 minutes ago, frankw said:

He did play better against the Rams. But that's the crux of the issue. He is closing in on 50 career games. There have been plenty of past Panthers QB's who ultimately weren't the answer who would have undoubtedly flashed here and there if we had given them this many starts.

So the single game passing yards record in franchise history isn't flashing? Here or there?