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One was intentional and the other was a guy spinning his entire body around to AVOID the hit. 

On 11/2/2025 at 2:40 PM, PNW_PantherMan said:

Not sure how a slide when a guy left his feet already is dirty.  Violent.  Unfortunate.  But the hit on Bryce out of bounds was much dirtier.

I agree. That wasn't a dirty hit. He actually made contact with his back and knocked Stroud's head onto the ground. He was trying to turn away from the hit but had too much momentum. Dumb, but not dirty. The guy that pushed Bryce saw him going out of bounds and decided to shove him for good measure. 100% intentional. 

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its the same play from the Jets game where he is "throwing " to a spot.    But he was way off and he cannot see the safety reading the play.   They clearly watched tape on him. 

Looks like he saw the safety and wanted to lob it to Legette's outside shoulder at the pylon. Wind killed it and moved it in towards the field of play. Probably could have fired it like he did at Miami. Low and to a spot. Bad decision to lob it in that wind and it was a little wobbly out of his hands. 

He needs to take shots downfield. Period. He actually isn't as bad with intermediate throws as some give him credit for. But dinking down the field is too many plays and opportunities for something to go wrong. They need chunk plays from the passing game. He can throw deep enough. He just doesn't. 

4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Velocity matters

Yeah, but he threw it when XL was on the 7 yard line. A dart would have been to a different location. He was trying to lob it to the back pylon but the wind took it off course and wobbled it even more than it already was. A tighter spiral on the lob or a throw similar to the TD he threw to XL against Miami would have been better. Gotta learn from that. I don't think he lobbed any more in the game. 

They'll bring him back unless they can replace him with a true future-of-the-franchise. 

I doubt he's extended on a new contract though. If he is, it won't be a crippling one. He can't demand top dollar. They'll let him explore FA to determine his real worth.

29 minutes ago, NAS said:

Bryce deserves the bad grade just for this, what a terrible decision and throw

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQkJBZUAQmy/?igsh=emZibmN5NXVrcnF2

 

I mean it went horribly wrong. But that angle really shows how much the wind affected that pass! Wow Maybe a tighter spiral wouldn't have been pushed as much though.

Came for the pie!

Are we talking about the same guy that benched his starting QB after 2 games into his first season as HC? That guy is more concerned about feelings than production? I think it's more likely that he thought Chuba AND Rico could be a productive duo. Problem is Rico is way more productive and demands way more carries. Took him 2 games to figure out it wasn't working like he expected so now he's making a change. Usually the simplest explanation is the real reason. 

25 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

So what he's saying is that if people don't get off their blocks, good things happen for the O?

I think it was a little more than that. Scheme and alignment were predictable with no adjustments. Bills found a play and blocking scheme that worked so they just kept running it until we made them do something else. We didn't. Maybe a run stunt or something where the defenders wouldn't constantly be exactly where you want them.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everybody says Evans but I think they're too caught up in height. Mike Evans is an absolute beast. He's basically prime David Boston except he didn't derail his career with weight issues. He absolutely physically overwhelms people. That's not T-Mac. T-Mac's size is an asset but it's honestly secondary to his route running, sneaky speed, and natural body control.

Yeah, I don't know about the sneaky speed. Sneaky quickness. Agree with everything else. But he definitely tries to big-man bully DBs. Doesn't always come down with it, but I think he needs more attempts deep to maximize his ability. Hate the way the team uses him as more of an underneath threat. If the defense is in Cover 0 or 1, then check to TMac jump ball. Every. Freaking. Time. 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

spreads at Panthers 12.5.  Opened at 11.5

dang!

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I was going to say his ceiling is Hopkins. That's the style of WR he is.

 

I'm thinking more of a Mike Evans where he beats you at the top of the route or when the ball gets there. D Hop is a hell of a route runner that'll toast you off the LOS. If TMac becomes that...

1 minute ago, CRA said:

2023 was billed as literally the best landing spot for any rookie QB....

Bryce Young just isn't a NFL QB.  He can't run an O that isn't super Bryce centric.  That's what we have found out.  And you see that every single season he has played.  He doesn't elevate, he lowers. 

Frank Reich was an offensive Fox/Rivera.   He was the idiot Bryce made everyone look to be.   Tepper forced a dude that isn't a NFL QB on the field week 1 that everyone that was coaching knew he couldn't do. 

I'm not trying to argue with you, but "billed" vs reality are two competely different things. And it definitely played out to not be a good landing spot for a rookie. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

not true.  OL is good.  Run game is good.  We have seen a ton of QBs have middle of the road or better offense w/ that foundation.   It's a long list.   Whether it's from the jump or injury creates it. 

2023? No.

2025? Yes. Just need some speed on the edges. 

10 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Shakir and T-Mac are very different receivers, and Josh and Bryce are very different QBs.  

They're very different WRs. One can catch a 5 yards curl and take it 50 yards to the house. That's more of what this team needs. That's more of a Bryce Young WR. He plays the short game. Need guys that scare you after the catch. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, how many QBs currently in the league would've actually been worth what we gave up in that trade? A handful at most. You're banking on this guy being a surefire perennial All-Pro MVP candidate future HOFer. That's an extreme longshot bet in the draft no matter how you slice it.

Honestly, on this team, in 2023, only a Lamar Jackson clone would have had any degree of success. 

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's never gonna be T-Mac's game. He's basically a Plaxico Burress clone. XL was drafted to be that guy he just sucks.

I think he's a little more dynamic after the catch than Plaxico. But he definitely hasn't reached Plaxico's ability to muscle the ball from DBs. Eli would just throw it up for him everytime they blitzed him. Big Ben did the same thing.

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

Agree. No QB in that draft was worth going from #9 to #1. AR has the athletic traits but not the football IQ. 

20 minutes ago, scratched said:

I want to repeat what I said when we drafted BY... We need too much help at other positions to be spending a top draft pick on QB. I think if we can hit on FA and the draft one more year, we can then start thinking about taking a shot on a QB in the 1st rd in the draft. We need Safety help, CB help, LB HELLLLPPPPPP!, it wouldn't hurt to have a pure pass rusher (FA pickup IMO), OT to replace Moton (which I said we needed before we signed his extension) and a WR2, unless Coker can make the jump in the rest of this season. Bringing a Rookie QB in to play behind this line and with this offense is a recipe for disaster. 

I agree with this. Also think they really need a speed WR to add to the mix. I don't care how big he is. Just a blue chip WR with speed. 

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Depends on perspective. I do think the talent is great. Whether T-Mac reaches his potential is another story, especially within these current circumstances. Some of the metrics are really good already (like average yards per catch). Even PFF already had him as the 20th or so best WR in the league.

I don't agree. I love TMac and think he's gonna be a big time WR for this team. Right now he gets fed a ton of targets that helps his stats. He's getting the Adam Thielen treatment. I just don't think he maximizes YAC opportunities, or runs by DBs, or makes the circus catches in games we know he can make. I think he'll put it together, but he ain't there yet. 

Shakir in Buffalo showed something Sunday we haven't seen a WR do here in a long time. Who's doing that on this team? 

10 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

did cam need a mentor year 3, Mahomes?  Allen? Burrow?  I could go on but you get my point

Who was Cam's backup? Derek Andersen. Pat Mahomes? Chad Henne. Josh Allen? Derek Andersen, (yes the same) and Matt Barkley. Burrows? Brandon Allen. They didn't bring in competition either. That's not how this works. Honestly, Dalton is better than all of those guys.

Kinda weird that Dalton craps the bed yesterday and it's somehow Bryce's fault? Yall gotta take a step back sometimes and listen to yourselves. If anything, yesterday showed that our oline and WRs aren't nearly as good as you thought they were.

We don't have great young talent at WR and TE. We have young potential at WR and TE. They are NOT great - yet.

The Huddle is so emotional. Watch other games. Enjoy the sport and get some perspective. Many of you have very unrealistic expectations for a team this young.

And the vet presence is dwindling down every game with injuries. Hunt, Lewis, Corbett, Mays, Christensen, Moton, Bryce, XL and Coker all missing time and/or games. Pat Jones, Wannum, Wallace and Wharton on defense. If everything went our way, this was an 8 or 9 win team at best. Everything has not gone our way.