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If they march Chuba back out there the first drive...

Andy...?

Need a TD here

Come on Andy. Time for a deep shot.

1 minute ago, strato said:

They do. if Andy isn’t totally washed and if the OL can pass block. 
We have the running game, and with Andy we have the play action and ability to stretch the field. I have been missing that so much. These are kind of big ifs. 

A week of practice with the ones will make a big difference with Andy. And he does stretch the field alot more than Bryce - not sure why that dude hates taking shots deep. We'll lose a lot of mobility at the position, but Dalton is decisive and aggressive. He plays to win, while Bryce seems to play not to lose. Hopefully he snaps out of it after watching Dalton for another couple of weeks. 

Honestly think Panthers have a real chance in this game. Remember, Dalton is good for a game or two. Anything more than that and we're in trouble.

If Carolina's run defense continues to dominate, I don't think Josh will light us up. Honestly think they'll hold Cook under 75 rushing and Keon under 50 receiving. Do that and we're good. Now Kincaid will likely have a good game. But choose your battles. 

1 minute ago, strato said:

And Foreman was pretty replaceable so no need to spend a lot Re upping him  

But we are looking pretty good there right now  

 

Yeah but I don't think it lasts too long. In that scenario, Dowdle is CMC and Chuba is Foreman. We really don't know if Etienne or Brooks will be able to replace him Dowdle next season.  

8 minutes ago, strato said:

What was crazy to me is that it was after CMC was trade that the team won some games. I wasn’t expecting that.
Though I will say I was kind of at odds with them making him almost the whole offense. It didn’t help the other people develop much 

CMC and Foreman would have been the perfect 1-2 punch. But they couldn't figure out how to use him until they were forced to. Imagine them behind this oline and blocking scheme. Geez! 

4 hours ago, strato said:

That is true. They were a play away from legit earning the top pick, while in contrast we were in the 9th slot and not viewed as the worst team, not close.
We were seen by many, on the outside and here and in the building as being a player or two away from contending for the division. 

Yeah, if we would have just ran it back. But, traded away CMC in the middle of the 2022 season. Didn't bring back Foreman. Gave up DJ Moore to move up in the draft. Changed the entire coaching office - for the worst. And then proceeded to injure every interior offensive lineman on the team, to the point that they were pulling guys off the street on Monday to play the following Sunday. I don't know. That was kind of alot.

30 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I think it will be close. Won’t be a blow out. Their pass defense is Top 3 but their rush defense is the worst other than the Cowboys. If Canales will feed Rico and use that to set up Dalton on deep play actions we can move the ball. 
 

Defensively, I’m not worried about Cook. We just have to keep Allen contained. The only person I think can do that is Moehrig, if he can give him the old Thomas Davis/Mike Vick treatment. 
 

This is probably a 28-23 or 31-27 type game either way. 

Is their pass defense good because their rush defense is so bad though? People thought we had a good defense in 2023 because our pass defense was so good. Turns out teams just didn't pass on us because it was easier to just run all over us. 

Nothing wrong with the defense having to win a game. The offense had to do it last week. Defense got toasted all game. Well, at least Mike Jack did. 

The Jets' defense is better than the stats show, particularly their front 7. This was a good win. 

This is Carolina. Play great defense and run the ball. That's what we've always been. It's fine for now, but would love to see the team become more of an offensive passing team. But for now, a win is a win. And this is a win, the Panthers' way. 

On 10/17/2025 at 2:15 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

Bro he isnt better then Lawrence, Tua, Murray and most certainly not hurts.  But the others being debatable is kindof our point.  The others are making our point about where bryce exactly is talent and development wise in the nfl.  

Lawrence is showing why he's not better than Bryce. Neither is Tua or Murray. But you can have your opinions. 

Didnt watch the video, but I agree Bryce is 100% a complimentary piece right now. No argument there. But to be fair, there are only a handful of QBs that aren't. Lamar. Pat. Josh. Maybe Stafford. Herbert. Maybe Dak? Though not sure how good he would have looked last week without Pickens. A franchise QB can be a complimentary piece.

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He rushed for 74 more yards than Chuba did last year. He also played in all 17 games versus 15 for Chuba.

The point was Miles Sanders wasn't just a guy in Philly. He was at least as good as Chuba has been in Carolina. 

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jalen Hurts was pulling it off w/ Miles Sanders.  You poo'd on Hubbard as not being enough for him. 

Miles Sanders rushed for damn near 1300 yards in Philly. More than any season for Chuba. And I didn't "poo" on Chuba. That's your interpretation. I think he's a gritty between the tackles running back, but he isn't a homerun threat. Never has been. He's a consistent get you positive yards back. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Bryce is basically playing like an average starter while riding the best RB in the league. Not saying Dowdle is the best RB in the league overall, but he has been over the past two weeks.

 

Yep. That's what I said at the beginning before "feelings". He's not playing bottom tier. He's average right now. 

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's because you're reaching HARD. You're gonna blow your back out with these reaches. Flacco literally threw for nearly 100 more yards against a significantly better team.

Yeah 100 more yards on a third more passes, and minus 2 rushing TDs. Same number of passing TDs. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bro, the highest paid OL AND Chubba is a dang good setup.   That's what Bryce had last year.  

Rico Dowdle doing some historical poo for 2 weeks this year, doesn't mean Hubbard isn't a rock solid RB. 

See.....this is what Bryce defending does.  So much gymnastics that you end up where you just did. 

Nope. I said he has been very consistent but he left alot of meat on the bones. You interpreted it how you wanted. If you can't see that, then well...

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have a great offensive line and two really good RBs. Dowdle has pretty much been the best player in the league over the past two weeks. AJ Brown seems like he wants out of Philly because he isn't being used.

They've won those last 2 games too. Bryce hasn't brought them down. He's actually made big plays in those games. Dowdle has been the star though for sure. And yo know AJ Brown and Smith change the way defense play the Eagles. Exchange him for Legette or Tremayne and things would be very different. 

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse.

You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category.

I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

Linville, he had what would be a lot of QBs best games ever. A lot more than just BY. And for the record, I don't think it was better than the final game last season. 

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pretty much. I mean, we have the tools to largely duplicate what the Eagles are on offense.

No we don't. Who is our AJ Brown or Devonta Smith or Saquan Barkley?

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

We got the highest paid OL in the NFL, with good RBs to play with the past 2 years.  Jalen Hurts could just read option and make some safe throws and the O would be more productive than it has been w/ Bryce.   

Good RBs? They had Chuba in 2023 and 2024. It took 2 games to realize he wasn't all we thought he was. Consistent. But left a lot of meat on the bones. A lot. Good luck with that approach with Hurts. How lond do you think it would take for defenses to figure that out without a real threat at WR?

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It's comical at this point.  Hes been objectively one of the worst qbs in the NFL going on 3 years now and folks still make excuses

He has. I agree. But so has this entire roster. This entire roster has been arguably the worst in the NFL since 2023. I'm trying to be objective. But this team has been trash top to bottom and you know it. It just pains you to admit for some reason. The oline and WRs in 2023 are the worst I've ever seen in Carolina. They improved the oline in 2024, but then the WRs and defense actually got WORSE! Hopefully they're going in the right direction now, but come on. Let's practice having objective opinions. Not emotional ones. Thanks. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You can't possibly be serious 

So you think Hurts would have won a Super Bowl, a MVP or all pro while playing QB for Carolina the past 2 seasons? Are you serious?