Navy_football

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Yep, need some qb, defensive help, couple of lineman and we are middle of pack at worst

Plus a couple of stand up LBs, and a couple of offensive guys that make defenders miss in the open field (WR, RB or TE), a real Nickel and a true FS type that can cover. Other than that, we're pretty good. 

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Money and draft capital are big factors. We shouldn't be spending wildly in either case unless we are making a long term commitment and the target is worthy of such. I would be nervous to see this coaching staff and FO do that because I question their competence.

I will also say I don't think it even has to be about this idea of "competition" or a "camp competition." If you even go into 2026 with a new QB(or QB's) as depth, they need to be better than or potentially better than Bryce. That should be the case if for no other reason than when Bryce fails, we have some sort of viable options still available to try. What does Dalton accomplish?

I would gladly take Willis.....details depending. It definitely isn't going to be on a long term, high value contract. That's crazy.

His ceiling is astronomically higher than Bryce and in his limited action in GB this year, he was significantly more effective than Bryce. Smaaaaaall sample size, though. And 0-2 in that sample size, as well. Not someone that anyone should be hyping as a long term answer.

That's an overly optimistic take. Particularly because of the limited action part. To say you'd take that guy over any 3 years starter in the NFL is a tough one. The devil you know is better than the one you don't. We have no idea who Malik Willis is or will be because he hasn't played enough. 

21 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Of course defenses are playing nickel and dime. The panthers run the ball out of 31 sets all the time. You still have to have personnel match. Like here you, y is manned up, I think seam receiver is too, and the whole defense is like “lmao Bryce”

I mean I don't know the down and distance, but this can't be the answer for "show me how defenses play the run and force Bryce Young to beat you". There are only 4 d linemen and maybe 1 LB on the field. They are obviously playing the pass. And yes, Bryce missed multiple opportunities in that game with too many dink and dunks and locking onto WRs from the snap. He isn't normally THAT bad though. This was probably the worse I've ever seen him. 

So yall are out on Bryce, but in on Malik Willis? That's... interesting. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

No one is suggesting going all out to get a QB.  You can get a cheap QB that raises the ceiling of our O to be a bridge......while you wait to actually go address the QB. 

Bryce is a bridge QB.  That's the tier QB he is.  A body a team would have as they wait to make a move for QB.  Folks just want a better bridge QB that makes the O more threatening until we go make a move for QB

If a "bridge" QB beats him out then so be it. Just can't see paying $10M+ per or giving up picks. 

6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think Malik Willis is going to demand huge started money but he will get paid decently. It may be he gets a short term contract with a bad team as their started under a new coach. 

But I think QB is one of our bigger needs... However, we don't really have the ability right now to fix it without damaging the rest of the roster like we did in 2023. So yeah I agree... I just don't want a new contract for Bryce. But I'm actually fine with the extension as long as we really do upgrade the QB room overall.

Right. but no extension for Bryce yet. 5th year option? Sure. I think Bryce's camp will agree they aren't in the best place to demand an extension or top dollar. 

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

A new contract right now would be a mistake. 

If Bryce is truly clutch, he'll show it in the playoffs.

Assuming a typical Bryce performance, I'd like to bring in Malik Willis, and see how camp goes and if Bryce struggles early again and we regress to the mean in one point games with awful offense, we give him a shot.

If they can bring in competition that doesn't prevent them from bringing in definite starters at other positions of need, then they should ABSOLUTELY do that. No questions asked. But there are way too many holes on this team that need to be addressed before going all out to get a QB. FTR, the same was true in 2023.

3 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I technically agree with everything you're saying, BUT... Making the playoffs with a losing record is like screwing your cousin; the result is the same but it's a lot harder to feel good about it.

ok?...

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but it didn't have to get in via tiebreakers. That doesn't happen that often.

That's why I am generally agreeing with @csx. We literally backed into the playoffs on a 2 game losing streak, one of those games being a "win and get in" scenario that ONLY applied to us.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it is ultimately....a little pathetic.

Now, it's not as pathetic as missing out on getting into the playoffs to an 8-9 team that backed in. So take that, Taint, Cuc and Falcunt queefs.

Oh I don't disagree that Carolina was the master of their own fate and put it into ATL's hands. Not a great look. But getting into the playoffs for a team as young and devoid of talent as this one is no small feat. The margin of error in the NFL is miniscule. One play. One player falling down or slipping. One bad penalty call (or two, or three, or four) could be the difference in winning or losing. 

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean....you could have just won the game to actually get you in.

Agree, they could have. But Tampa could have just beaten Carolina both times. Or Atlanta could have beaten Carolina and Tampa like the Saints did. 

The point is a team had to get in. The best team based on tiebreaker rules. It wasn't luck. No one pulled a name out a hat. Carolina won the division. They weren't gifted it. 

12 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I’d say that he was going to copy moose and come back to Carolina but no WR in their right mind would come to Carolina willingly while Bryce is here if they have another serious offer. 

I keep seeing this in the Huddle. But which WR since 2023 has gone to another team and done better? Just one has even really played for another team. And his numbers aren't even remotely as good as they were when he was here - Adam Thielen in case you haven't figured it out.

7 hours ago, csx said:

We had to back in via tiebreakers and a losing record when the coach repeatedly couldn't prepare his team or make the in game decisions to clinch numerous times.

There was a 3 way record tie in the division. Any team was going to back in to the playoffs via tiebreaker. Why not Carolina if we won the right games to get us in?

50 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

Time to retire #1 and #59, and def put them in the row of honor.

In my opinion our only retired numbers so far should be: 1, 51, 59, and 90.

 

No 89?

Yall are a little unrealistic. This is the first time in his 3 years that this QB has had a roster they could actuallyt win with - and we're in the playoffs. No one to throw to and the worst interior oline this franchise has ever fielded as a rookie. Defense was meh but would get worse. Second season Derrick Brown gets injured for the year in the first game and we march out the worst run defense (and possibly overall defense) in the history of the NFL. So many on here talking about an average QB would have this team with 12+ wins. You're delusional. How many games would we have won last season with just an average defense? KC, Philly and the first TB games off the top of my head. And that's with Thielen as your best receiver, rookie XL and rookie Coker. David Moore was the second best receiver last season. David Moore. This season the defense has improved but we're lining up too many rookies to make it to the playoffs on both sides of the ball, yet here we are. I ain't saying Bryce Young is the answer, but he has been a big part of some big wins this season. I'm hopeful that we'll see improvement when he has more time with this very young receiving corp. Remember, they're learnig how to be pros at the same time as we're going to the playoffs. The only veteran receiving  presence we've had this year is Tommy Tremble. We could actually see big improvement if David Moore comes back healthy. And that is saying alot. 

I just want them to go all out. Playcalling, passing, running, catching, everything. Everybody act like they're playing with house money and throw caution to the wind. This playing not to lose thing is not the way. 

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He was a major part of that offense yeah.  You know that whole unstoppable 1 yard play they made a name for themselves on?  Hurts added value to that offense despite not being an elite passer.  He was good enough.  Something we have not seen here.

Now come on. So Bryce Young offers no value to this offense? Ever? Come on PNW. I think Bryce Young would be a much more successful player if he was drafted by Philly. 

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

Lol he was in a top 10 offense carried by a top 2 defense. Youbg has never been out of the bottom 3rd regardless of the talent around him.

Hurts would be a huge improvement. The Panthers would be 12+ wins with him under center.

So you think Hurts took Philly to the Super Bowl then, right? 

I disagree. I think he was a passenger but he wasn't driving the ship. 

Anyone think Jalen Hurts took Philly to the Super Bowl?

5 minutes ago, CarolinaNut said:

Who would want us to lose?!?  I want to win but also have a coaching staff and front office be objectively smart enough to look at the complete body of work and know it can be better and lead to more sustained success.

That's fair and where I am right now too. Losing for draft picks and to justify releasing players is not ok.

Dang! A third of the votes would rather lose than have BY come back.

I don't think this is a fan forum anymore. Really thought there were only a few guys here that cheered for him to fail. 36% is crazy work!

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Fully agree.  I tell my boss all the time.  My job isn't to make the best decision.  I will tell you what I think the best decision is but my job is to make the decision my boss decides on to work.  How do I make what he wants work even if I think there is a better option.

This is the most wins we've had since 2017.  In fact there have only been 10 seasons (out of 30) we've won 8 games or more in franchise history.  We're in the playoffs and won the division.  That also hasn't happened since 2017.  

The last 8 years of Rhule, Reich and looking under every rock for a QB left us at probably the worst point in franchise history.  I'm giving a ton of credit to the current brain trust.  I want to keep Morgan, Canales, and Tillis together for the foreseeable future.  

Fans expect too much, too fast because out of 32 teams you can see when a team gets lucky and hits a homerun with a FA or draft pick and expect that is the standard.  

I agree.

And as for the QB. He needs to stick around until they find his replacement, or hopefully he shows more consistency game to game and play to play. 

Didn't Carolina beat them without Jaycee and Moehrig last time? Adding Hunt and Moore to the offense will help ALOT. Particularly if Moore is taking XL's snaps.

Show me how defenses are playing the Panthers to stop the run and force the QB to beat them. They don't usually have more than 7 or 8 players within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, and 7 in the box. That's actually pretty common. They play Nickel and Dime on passing downs and a lot of zone. Daring a QB to beat you is running mostly man with run fit blitzes that stifle the run or pressure the QB if he's passing. That's usually when Bryce will take a shot deep, particularly on 3rd or 4th down. 

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

Thats more an out or a zero route (they called it a smoke route when Clausen was throwing them to smith) and that isnt something he should be throwing either. That only works if the db is playing off and the qb has the arm to get it in there  

they only do that with Bryce when they have trips right and a number advantage. If he just turned and threw you’d have a repeat of peppers housing Pickles when he was with Chicago. 

I think a smoke is a screen play. Everyone but the primary receiver is usually blocking. I'm talking line your receiver out wide and run a quick slant. Not a dig or an out. That guy shouldn't get to the middle of the field before getting the ball. If so, it's too late and you're likely gonna get him killed. Especially if the defense is in zone. 

2 hours ago, strato said:

Seems to me that when teams can stop our run game and dare us to pass, if they can do that, Canales resists taking the bait. As long as the game is close. He will take three and outs and punt, before he will take an interception. 

Yeah Strato... that's just not true. It may appear that way. But guys are running routes to the sticks on 3rd and manageable. Canales also will abandon the run if it's not working, like in Seattle. He probably should have mixed up the downs he called run plays. Teams tend to stack the box on 1st down agaist Carolina more than other downs. I think that's more understanding playcalling tendencies than anything else.