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So the NFL is recognizing Bryce's game, but his "fans" are saying he isn't worthy. Lawd make this make sense. Now I see what Smitty meant. Geez!

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think folks should take a look the the total yards most gbs are getting each week. Its all over the place. Even Allen isn't hitting 200 yards per game most games. Most are are around 175 to 200 yards on any given week. It's becoming more common and I'm not sure why.

Big passing yards usually come with big YAC. Teams are playing alot more cover 2 and 3 nowadays. Panthers are just now figuring out they should take shots deep when the defense is in 0 or 1. 

3 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

he's racking up records, recognition

Who would have thought Bryce would break a Cam passing record?

I know we want to consistently see more yards. I do too. But 175 yards, 3 TDs and no INTs can win games. Heck, it actually is for Carolina this season. 

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I want better than Bryce too

I absolutelyagree. I also want better than TMac right now, better than Coker and Legette. I want better than Evans and Sanders too. Those players aren't great. They're below average to good right now. But I do believe they can all improve as they get more experience along with their HC/OC. I guess where I differ from the consensus is that I see BY improving. Just as his targets are. His list of dumb ish is diminishing every game. And his list of good plays are increasing. 

1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

Short of Young winning out and taking us to the playoffs, we need to aggressively go after a QB this off season. Alex Smith was a better player than Young but the chiefs still wanted to upgrade. That's what well run teams do.  

Aggressively go after a QB? Like 2 first rounders, a second rounder and TMac aggressive? That's what got us here. Build the team, then get the QB. If you think this passing offense is set minus BY today, you're not being honest with yourself. Now they have potential, but they aren't as good as many seem to think. I can't think of any games this season where I said yeah our receivers and TEs are better than theirs.

If they can upgrade QB without doing something ridiculous, then I'm all for it. If not, then continue to improve the TEAM and THEN get your rookie QB like they should have done 3 seasons ago.

7 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I agree about giving them time. The Panthers would be foolish to go into next year with Young penciled in as the starter though. Go get a vet and draft a qb next year and I will be much more hopeful about the future of this franchise. 

Bryce should absolutely be penciled in as the starter going in to the offseason. If they can draft a guy or acquire a vet that improves the position, then AWESOME! Let there be competition. But change for the sake of change puts us back in the Browns and Jets territory. Bryce and the WRs/TEs need time to develop. 

I just don't understand how we want a third year QB to "ball out" with a rookie WR as his #1, a rookie TE as his #1 TE, 2 sophomore WRs (one is a 1st rounder that is being outplayed by the other who is an UDFA), a sophomore TE that struggles with blocking, and Tommy Tremble. 

And all of that with what's now a 2nd year HC, who's calling plays for his third time - ever!

This is a super young team that is outperforming expectations right now. The Panthers are winning games against better teams and the QB is a big reason why. You have to give Bryce, TMac, Legette, Coker, Evans, Sanders and Canales time. 

Otherwise we could just be the Browns or the Jets. No one wants that anymore. If they were going backwards, then yes, blow it up again. They aren't. They're getting better. They look like an actual competent NFL team. They're wildly inconsistent because they're incredibly young and inexperienced. All of them. Not just Bryce. But they're arrow is pointing up, so we should be patient and ride it out. It could be alot worse. A lot worse. 

52 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

4th read? On a playaction? Do you not watch the ALL 22?

There were 4 receivers on that play. Only 2 went beyond 2 yards on a 10 yard crossing route in front of a single high safety. The TE stayed in to block before releasing on a drag route and was never a read. Coker was motioned to the right to pull a defender to the sideline. This was a clear flat route and hot if the defender came on a blitz. The RB stayed in to block on the right side.

Coming out of the playaction Bryce spots the defender for a possible blitz and then goes to his primary receiver on his left. The only receiver on the left coming out of the playaction was TMac. He clearly follows TMac to the cross in front of the safety and looks off the safety to the left. This is not a read to XL. It's looking off the safety. He swings his vision back to his primary in TMac and throws the ball to the numbers (20) 10 yards over the head of the DB when TMac reaches the right hashes near the 30 yard line before TMac even makes a cut.

Bryce was never leading or throwing to the receiver. He was throwing to a spot based on the movement of 2 defenders. It was up to TMac to make this play happen with perfect timing, release, sell and cut on his route. Give credit to the play design. The defense is playing that route as a sideline route and TMac makes it happen with his body position and control as he cuts/drifts 10 yards up field to the spot he knew it was going to before the play.

If that were a 4th progression read out of a playaction, you'd see 4 hitch steps and the receiver would have been led to the sideline as TMac would have never known the ball was going to be thrown 10 yards over the DBs head on a 10 yard cross to the sideline.

You can also tell this is the desgin as Bryce sets to the left out of the playaction with XL on his right before the cross. Then he takes 3 bounce steps to move with the pocket as XL is late to the cross. His first hitch step is to the right after TMac crosses, which is followed by an immediate throw before a cut is made by TMac. TMac was the only receiver to the left on Bryce's set, and he was one of 2 WRs to the right on Bryce's first and only hitch step.

Give TMac and the play design a bulk of the credit. Bryce did well, but he didn't sell the playaction or a possible pass to XL very well. He did do very well at throwing to a predetermined spot on the field after TMac set up that crossing route perfectly with XL and Sanders both late on developing their routes.

Did you catch all that on the play? For some reason, you think there were 4 progressions out of play action with the defense pressing, Bryce setting his hips to the left with all 3 receivers on the right side of what you think was his 4th option as the only receiver on the left at the snap, and only 1 hitch step to the right after TMac waits for XL to cross left. Why would you think a QB would set their hips to the left when their first 3 progressions are on the right side of the field?

Agree with most of what you said. Looked to me like BY was reading the Safety. Once the Safety followed XL, BY switched to TMac. TMac was being blanketed by a CB all the way across the field - the rub was ineffective. I agree Bryce throws to a spot away from the flat defender, but I don't think it was necessarily a predetermined spot or route. It appeared to be chemistry between the QB and WR. TMac is at the 29 after that ball is released, and then he adjusts to catch it at the 20. 

7 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

I'm convinced CRA has chronic nightmares about BY and comes on here to try to ease his stress

 

XL blocked very well yesterday, and has been blocking well lately. He's got a very, very long way to go as a receiver. The "It's Bryce Young" argument doesn't really make sense if Tet and Coker and showing out and making plays. XL can't seem to do anything in open space, which is what he was drafted for. He isn't even an option on end arounds, they'd rather give it to Horn. 

I have family up in Dillon and Florence, and they have similar accents. So, I love the guy. But could you imagine if BY threw him the TD pass he threw to TMac? He would have damn near killed himself adjusting and still dropped it. If he somehow would have caught it, he definitely would have fallen down afterwards. And the Huddle would have said look at that horrible pass by BY. 

2 minutes ago, Wolfpredator said:

I am not crapping on the team effort....yesterday was the first time I have been excited watching a Panthers game, so hats off to the team for actually getting me into the game.  With that said, if this team can't win without turnovers, we are not making a deep playoff run and its that simple.  3 Interceptions against SF and we got 3 points because our inept offense.  Now, we scored off the fumble, so I will give us that, crazy 4 and 2 play call to keep the drive alive.  Two other interceptions and we only score when the defense does the scoring for us.  Its a team effort, its always a team effort but from my perspective the defense is hitting on all cylinders when it comes to the turnover battle and our offense is pretty much garbage when given opportunities to turn the tides in our favor. 

I feel like turnovers were a big part of 2015. Like a huge part.

13 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Leggette is long gone in this frame? And McMillan has a hand literally touching him.
 

What happened is Bryce threw him upfield and McMillan drifted up with the ball. McMillan was continuing on his line until bryce threw him open. It’s clear and obvious but you don’t wanna see that for some reason? It was a great throw, late in the progression, on 4th down in crunch time against the best team in the NFL. It was a dime.

Legette reached out with his hands to touch the DB on the way by. Barely a well executed rub. It didn't affect the DB at all (DB mugging TMac the whole route, literally no separation). TMac was running flat since the DB was over top of him. Bryce throws the ball upfield, the DB jumped inside as soon as it was released thinking it would be to where TMac was going. TMac ADJUSTS to the ball and catches it running upfield for the TD. Like come on yall...

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If Bryce played like he did yesterday consistently I wouldn't have a problem with it. He's never going to be a guy who thrives off of insistently pushing the ball down the field or driving the ball into tight spots. He can still play well if he can make a few of those throws per game to keep the D honest it just honestly gives us a smaller margin of error as an overall offense and team versus most NFL QBs. It just is what it is. Bryce has to be almost perfect given his skill set and that's why he struggles with consistency. He just has a much smaller margin of error than a QB with better physical tools.

kinda agree with this. I just don't think it's as much physical as we tend to think. It's his reluctance to push the ball downfield that irks the heck out of me sometimes. Like just give your guys a chance. What's the worst that can happen?

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

We should be trying to solve the center issue once and for all, if possible. Outside of that, we should always be drafting OL to help get the depth upgraded or groom future OL starters, IMO.

I get that we have way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many holes on the roster to just focus on that one area(a roster strength, at that) but I have a personal philosophy of taking at least one OL in just about every draft, if not more than one.

OTs early but really good IOL is almost always available 4th round and beyond. Heck UDFA is a great time to pick up guys that need a year or 2 before you pencil them in as starters. 

Coker made Thielen expendable. Now that he's back, there really isn't a place for Thielen anymore. Still a really skilled player, but his athleticism is no longer NFL-WR level. 

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well Bryce wouldn't be off his rookie deal until 2028 and its likely his big cap hits(assuming a top 10 QB contract) wouldn't start really hitting until 2029 at the earliest and 2031 at the latest if it is structured like a lot of the last couple of waves of big QB contracts. 

A healthy chunk of this core OL will be gone by the time his cap situation gets dicey. A smart team would have good replacement OL on various years of their rookie deals for a healthy chunk of the other four OL spots(assuming Ikey gets a big, long term deal).

 

Mays is unlikely to get significant interest as a starting NFL center, if I had to guess. This is a mirror scenario to BC last offseason where a large part of the Huddle dramatically overvalued his marketability. 

The 2026 draft is going to be OL heavy. Team needs everything. Unless guys are willing to take cap friendly deals to stay, they'll be traded a year early or released when the cap hit isn't crippling. That's the NFL. 

1 minute ago, mrBdawg said:

I was gonna post this exact same screenshot lol. I made this entire thread as bait bc I kept seeing people bashing our quarterback and giving him no credit for making these ‘routine’ throws to ‘wide open’ receivers.

It was 4th and 3 with the game on the line and Bryce went for it all. I mean he threw McMillan open. All that space you see on the TV angle was created by the throw. I get he is frustrating and sucks a good portion of the time but the throws he made in those big moments today were tremendous.

vs Matt Stafford's actual wide open that sailed out of bounds:

15 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

The defender on the ball side of the WR with no safety help is the equivalent to a practice throw with no defender in terms of the throw itself, which is what I was saying.  That is a throw where the QB is supposed to just loft it for the WR to run under for the catch, as long as the QB doesn't choke and way short the ball, the DB has no bearing on that throw, just like a practice throw with no DB at all.

And the same goes for the T-Mac throw as well, no safety help with the defender on the ball side of T-Mac.  All he had to do was feather the ball over the top for T-Mac to run under.

Stafford missed that same throw to his TE earlier in the game. Lofted it right out of bounds. And he was actually wide open. TMac was far from wide open before the ball was released and the CB was in perfect position. The pass was in a place the CB didn't expect it to be for that pass. 

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he can make some nice passes here and there. He's always been able to. Now we need to see him do it consistently and I still need to see him be able to handle pressure up the middle. That's Bryce's real Achilles heel. He can play well when he doesn't have pressure in his face and the field is clean in front of him. We already know this.

Come on LG... That's literally every QB in the NFL's Achilles heel. Brees and Brady too. 

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

A hawking centerfielder is all we need imo, out secondary looks very very good IMO when you account for our bottom of the league pass rush win rate....   

I don't know. Still think they could upgrade the LB room. Standup and Edge types. 

They could really win out if Canales keeps his head on calling plays. They just beat the Rams without Jaycee, Moehrig or Rozeboom on defense. Running game is waking up and finally looking like what we thought it would be before the season started, with a great 1-2 punch running the ball. Bryce isn't focusing on TMac as much now with Coker getting back up to speed (he's really our best WR right now, but TMac has the higher ceiling). I think this opens everything up. If they can start taking some deep shots to Jimmy Horn, I think we'll start to see their best football. 

It's ok to say the player you don't like had a good game, but you still don't like him. Especially when he's breaking positive records for your favorite team and helping to win games.

Yall funny sometimes. Not funny haha, funny weird. 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Do we pick up his 5th?

Nope

Yeah last night was just a bad look for Bryce. Had every chance in the world to show us... something. Nothing to do with physical limitations. Nothing to do with defenses having him figured out. It's just him being wildly inconsistent and playing too conservatively for today's NFL. I think Canales understands they could have won the game with Rico and Chuba, but he wanted/needed to see if Bryce could step up. He did not and this could really be the beginning of the end of his time in Carolina - at least as the unquestioned starter. 

Canales is calling too many conservative pass plays instead of just handing the ball to Rico

How was that not DPI? He was holding has arm down.