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If this is even remotely true, Bryce will have no excuses. The Panthers should win 10 games and at least make a wild card appearance. Anything less, then he ain't the guy. 

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Drew Brees and Tua don't belong in the same conversation.

If Tua actually had Brees arm strength the Dolphins would have advanced further in the playoffs.

Tua is the last QB we want to be relegated to comparing our top pick with. Discouraging to say the least.

Tua was the #5 pick in the draft. 2nd QB in a draft that included Joe Burrow, Justing Herbert, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts. Tua had all the tangibles coming out of college. Miami got the crap beat out of him early on and he's just now starting to figure the NFL out. But Tua is no scrub - at least not coming out of college. 

Yeah, never thought he had high end velocity on his throws. That definitely is not his game.

Average velocity, with high end ability to throw at different angles. And Bryce does lose velocity with those awkward throws. Mahomes can throw with velocity at all angles. He's just a freak. 

I honestly don't get the "weak arm" point. I wouldn't compare his arm to prime Cam Newton or Josh Allen, but I'd say it's comparable to Drew Brees or Tua. Not elite, but more than good enough. I don't know if he has the lift to throw the ball late on a go-route or a fade going away from him on the other side of the field. But he can complete a first or second option deep route based on arm strength. He wouldn't have won a Heisman playing in the SEC if he couldn't do that. Not as a passing QB. 

How many passes over 35 yards are thrown a game? How many are completed? I feel like taking the shots are as important as hitting them, to keep the defense honest. The first step is to take more shots and calling plays/schemes that make them early reads in the progression. 

3 minutes ago, chknwing said:

could Carolina go all Offense this year, and since evero prolly leaves after this season, redraft the defense with the new DC next year?

 

That draft would pay HUGE dividends in 2025. I few contributions in 2024. But in 2025, this draft would change this team's future. Granted, for the first time ever, Carolina would become an offensive team. Something none of us would recognize. And yes it'd be a little scary for awhile. But...

Welcome to the new NFL. 

Don't even think about drafting another QB until the team is sure they have created a situation conducive to a QB's success -  particularly a rookie QB. 

12 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I hope everyone realizes that when I throw a thread like this out, I am not condoning or supporting the topic.  I play Devil's advocate at times--like the TMJ thread and this one.  I simply want to generate some discussions and hear ideas and thoughts.  Mostly my perspective is affirmed, but I am not always on board with the majority.  For example, I am undecided on Bryce.  Why?  The college team I played on was very good--and the QB was a stud.  However, at practice, the backups who seemed to pretty much suck (I caught passes and was on the second team;  throws were often behind me, over my head, out of bounds, etc).  We usually scrimmaged vs. the first team defense.  However, when the starting QB was sick, the second team QB stepped in that week and threw dimes vs. the second team defense.  What changed?  I know there is a difference between college and pros, but that experience made me realize how important the OL is. Canales and Morgan get it.

This is so true. And... a QB has to LEARN to trust his oline. They can't get him smashed on 2 of every 3 drop backs, and then expect that he'll stand in the pocket on the 1 out of 3 times he isn't escaping pressure as soon as he snaps the ball. And then to step into throws when you see guys getting pushed into you? I'm not sold on Bryce. No one can say with certainty that he will be a good NFL QB. He hasn't shown that. But I do acknowledge that the chaos and lack of protection last season make it equally impossible to declare him a bust. We just don't know yet.  

22 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Love Tommy 

hopefully, they use him more than Thomas…put him as a fullback once in awhile…let him take a handoff…

TnT is crazy as heck! Anytime you see a 6'4" guy jumping over people on a football field, he really has no regard for his body. 

3 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

If i could get one of:

AD mitchell, keon coleman, ladd mcconkey

 

and a later round addition of:

malik washington, jalynn polk, jalen mcmillan, jermaine burton

Exactly. I'm not sold on Burton, but other than that...

I'd usually be all for it.

But this team needs true wide receivers and playmakers. This offense has been very very very fuggin difficult to watch the last 6 seasons. 

Defense doesn't win championships anymore. Heck defense doesn't even really win regular season games anymore. Panthers been marching out respectable to great defenses for a long time, and very little to show for it. Never even had consecutive winning seasons - like ever. Get with the times and stop thinking they're smarter than everyone else. 

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Speaking of this loaded WR class, if we don't come away with at least two WRs I would call it not just missed opportunities, but a fail.

And I don't mean a 7th round special teamer as one either. 2nd and 3rd worst case scenario. 

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah motions and misdirects that have him gaining speed before the snap definitely help and you can use him a bit in the sweeps where he gets the ball quickly. Totally get that, I probably went to hard into the critique in that slot role.

But beating zone on the outside - it’s not in his arsenal yet. 

Sounds a lot like Deebo to me. I can see that. 

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Neither one might be available if this prognostication is correct.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yardbarker.com/general_sports/articles/amp/2024_nfl_draft_predicting_this_years_surprise_first_round_picks/s1_17304_40190111

Some people are worried about Diggs. Well, in theory, that trade could have implications for us during the draft.

I don't think Xavier would be their replacement for Diggs. I think guys like McConkey and Mitchell will be their targets. 

11 minutes ago, RJK said:

Diggs is a good player but also a pain in the ass. The panthers aren’t in a place as a franchise to take on that kind of player. Ultimately he’d have been detrimental to the rebuild 

I do agree that Diggs' age and contract is probably not where this team wants to be right now. 

But I will say that the FO just had a complete rehaul minus the DC and his core. We don't know what type of leader Canales (and to a lesser degree Morgan) will be yet. 

Why are yall so dang negative all the time?! Geez!!!

This was a horrible TEAM last year with some obvious areas of EXTREME weakness. All Morgan did was go out and address those areas a lot better than most would have thought possible. Especially since no good free agents would want to come to Carolina - at least that's what I was told before free agency began. 

And the defense is better with the additions than it would be if they had tried to keep Burns. That is a definite. Relax. They'll be good enough next year to evaluate Bryce. If he's the guy, anything's possible. If he isn't, they'll still win more games than last year but they'll be in position to get a new QB when he becomes available. 

The Texans just got better yall. Like or not. They're a strong team in all phases (O, D, ST) with a strong HC, DC, and a wonder kid at OC. Slowik must have seen a way that Stephon would help the team enough for his contract and attitude. He's obviously convinced he can make it work. And I'm more confident in him than I am in Stroud (who looks like he's ready to take the reigns from Lamar and Mahomes). I know it's a foreign concept to Panther fans, but the GM, HC, DC and OC work together to build rosters. 

1 hour ago, Lame Duck said:

You should see the hidden forums.

how do I find the hidden forums?

51 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Canales gets his Doug Baldwin at 33 with Ladd McConkey and Morgan gets the next great Panthers linebacker with Payton Wilson at 39. 

Love both players. But both have legitimate injury concerns. That would be a risky top of the draft for the black cats. 

New coaching staff. They should get their guys. Didn't do that last season with the defense, so getting it done this off season. Nothing worked on offense so new OC should build the offense his way. Shouldn't be hamstrung working with pieces from the previous regime's philosophy and schemes. Panthers made changes where practical and possible to upgrade and fit scheme. This is not a bad thing.

This is what they should be doing when you have a stud QB on a rookie deal. Cap numbers will change alot in 4 years. Alot lot!

I know he played in the SEC, but does anyone know how he did against CBs mocked in the top 3 rounds?

He does seem to have another gear when he gets the ball.

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It would be a VERY tough transition for him at this stage. 

I agree. He would have to go to the right situation, with a vet in place that is willing to help show him the ropes. Coaching alone ain't gonna get him there before his contract is up and he's moved out of the league or into a different situation/offensive scheme to learn. 

22 minutes ago, top dawg said:

BPA BPA BPA! 

We could stand a nice CB, and I'll never get mad at taking an OT. Now of course the actual players picked need to give you a commensurate return on investment. 

From my perspective, drafting is an exercise in value and weighing opportunity costs, both in the immediate and in the long term. It's the prime cut of team building. 

Agree. BPA - at a position of need and fit.

I'd just love for the Panthers to follow the draft's strengths for once. They always tend to out think themselves. This team needs playmakers. This is a draft that will have real playmakers in the 2nd. Why take a CB and/or OT when a true playmaker (or 2) will be there for the taking? A CB and OT is best if you don't hear their name being called. A WR and pass rusher is best when their name is called. 

Having elite size and athleticism makes him an outlier. He could make the transition. Would not draft him before round 5 - maybe not at all (UDFA). Give him a couple of years to acclimate before throwing him to the wolves. Remember, pass rushers are the best overall athletes on the field (size, strength, speed, agility). You don't want him out there trying to hang with those freaks using just athleticism. He'd fail miserably. Probably get someone hurt in the process.