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OP, Rico is playing well. He's what Brooks is supposed to be - may still be - some day. He has been making the most of plays where he isn't touched until the secondary. Chuba isn't that type of back. Now if we get into a dawg fight where every yard is a struggle, then Chuba probably the better choice. 

Bryce played really well yesterday. He missed a couple of throws all game. I think folk are looking for him to throw more fly routes. And I think he could throw a little more, but we don't have the WRs for that. Jimmy Horn has the speed and quickness to take a few shots a game. Every other WR's deep ball proficiency is limited to jump balls and defensive mishaps. Can't ask a QB to throw more deep passes if that's not the strength of his receivers. 

I don't know. It looked more like Dak evading pressure in big moments to me. Guys were there. They just couldn't quite get to him. Love the mix of players and where they're lining up across the d-line. 

That double A gap blitz with Roze and Wallace is a thing of beauty. Gotta give Evero some props on that.

Adjusting to the WR that's killing you is another story though. It may be as simple as Horn shadowing, but that could open gaps in other areas. Not sure, but can't keep doing the same thing that's not working. Jackson was reeling. You could see it. He lost confidence. He was outmatched and he knew it. It happens to a lot of DBs. The adjustment probably should have been a safety over top. But again, that opens up gaps in other areas. 

Blake Horvath from Navy should be in the Heisman running!

1 minute ago, NAS said:

He literally wrote an entire article about XL last year and mentioned his father passing away

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40552657/passion-horses-inspires-panthers-rookie-xavier-legette

 

Wow. Just... Wow.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Dart is gonna have to learn to protect himself a little better. I think he's alright but dude takes some hits.

Reminds me of Devito last season. Playing reckless at the QB position will get you hurt. 

Missing piece last season. I mean this dude is friggin ridiculous.

Can one player make that much of a difference in the entire defense? Yes. Yes he can. 

I keep hearing that Bryce "gifted" the Dolphins 14 points, and the game would have been closer to the ATL game if not for his turnovers. I don't agree. Didnt they drive down to inside the 10 on their first drive, and came away with a FG? Now the fumble was a complete doophus moment but it didn't gift them points. They still had to drive 50+ yards to score. Defense gave up a 3rd and 8, a 3rd and 7, a 4th and 5, and a 3rd and goal from the 10. That's on the D. Horrible fumble by the QB but it didn't put them in scoring position.

Same with the interception, which I don't mind as much. At least he was throwing downfield. It happens. But that put them on the 50 yard line. That's not scoring position. Evero adjusted with stunts and more exotic blitzes after those TDs. Honestly think they score 13+ points with or without the turnovers.

46 minutes ago, Moose Hoover said:

if there is grass on the field play ball...

Wait... what?

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

My concern remains Bryce doesn’t seem to be able to put a good ball on tiny WR and and Horn gets blown up on intermediate-ish deep ball 

Not sure about the intermediate stuff. But I think Horn is more of what he's used to on deep routes. Small and quick/fast. Bryce really had to learn to put arc on those deep passes for the big plodders/long striders he's had with the Panthers. A guy like Horn has the shiftiness to adjust to deep passes with less arc. Hopefully they at least TRY to test that theory. Renfrow is not a deep threat. He has never in his career been a legitimate deep threat. 

7 minutes ago, t96 said:

Call me crazy but I don’t think there’s any drop off to Dowdle…

I think Chuba is better in pass pro. I think Chuba does a better job setting up blockers, while Dowdle tends to just want to juke or outrun defenders. He has more big play potential, but probably won't get you the consistent numbers. He'll get you in more 3rd and long situations. Now I'm actually excited to see Etienne get more burn. That kid has big play ability written all over him. And he is NOT a punt returner. 

11 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah he has to man up. They aren’t little squirrels he has going against. 
This thing about speed and deep routes though, with our QB; I don’t think it is necessary because a burner will have to slow up. Not trying to start anything that’s just the way I see it. fact of life 

I don’t think we have to have Ted Ginn speed to do that. I think it is much closer to a Russell Wilson scenario. 

Got you. Don't want to hash out disagreements about the QB either. This is really about the WRs role in pressuring safeties. Speed will open up the field of play. We're constantly faced with all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the LOS. That's not a sustainable way to play offense. I think Carolina gets as much Cover 1 with a Robber defensive looks as they get Cover 2. That has to change. 

49 minutes ago, strato said:

Legette can do it too I think and with him and Tet, they have to pay attention. Horn, we really ha en’t seen and while maybe he does run some fly stuff and get a shot, I have this picture in my head of him evading a tackle on a short gain and taking off with it. 
 

Also on this XL thing, there is a chance that he comes back wanting to prove something (and I know what people are gonna say he will prove, lol, but I am hoping it is in a good way).

Legette isn't shifty enough. Just get a hand or body on him and he's all of a sudden a 4.7 guy. Which is fine honeslty. I'd rather see him play like he's 220 pounds than like he's a burner anyway. Gotta be able to out muscle 180 pounds CBs. Just have to. 

44 minutes ago, CRA said:

I will be shocked if Horn takes reps on the outside.  Hunter Renfrow is big compared to Horn.   

I wouldn't want to see him on the outside either. He can press safeties from the slot and allow TMac and company to work underneath. Safeties have to back up if a guy is streaking by them - even if Bryce refuses to look their way. 

22 minutes ago, strato said:

They said he was going to be active. 
 

The running back thing, we are going to miss Chuba pass blocking I think but maybe Etienne can show some moves. I believe he has some. 

Also I said this elsewhere but the downfield shots vs the 3rd and long handoffs rather than trusting the QB that was complained about here, was addressed in an Athletic article by Person. 
With Legette back I am expecting some Russel Wilson type downfield prayers to be tried this week. 

Agree. Agree. Agree. Horn should get snaps based on being the only WR that can actually stretch the field and pressure safeties with speed. 

14 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Well it appears nearly all of our offensive rookies will be getting substantial playing time.

McMillan, Etienne, Evans

Miami's defense is crap - 2nd worst in 3rd down conversion %, 26th in yards per game, no real threats.

Will be interested to see if anyone makes noise.

Or maybe Chop Robinson just destroys us lol.

What about Jimmy Horn? Shouldn't he be in the mix?

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Good.

Honestly... 

If BY requests a trade or a big extension after what he's shown so far, then so be it. This hasn't been a great situation for him but he doesn't have a resume that'll hold any leverage. Ideally he'd take what he can get and then try to prove himself. A lot of QBs have had success betting on themselves in contract years. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he's hit a few. He's missed a lot more.

He was pretty good the backend of last season. The first year and a half was really bad though. Really bad. No arc. Just linedrives 40 yards down field, leaving no room for error. It's perfect or an incompletion. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I love King.  I just don't see him as a NFL QB.   Well, I don't see him as a starter.  But I personally wouldn't mind a Taysom Hill backing up my franchise QB. 

So true. He makes you prepare for something totally different at the position. I'd love him for that alone. DCs hate prep when there's a threat of that dude taking the field. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

How many of these examples can you find? Because most of his deep balls are honestly inaccurate.

He's hit Coker, Legette, TMac and Thielen with beautiful passes downfield. He can. He just doesn't. Which again, is even worse than not being able to. Too many short passes leaves opportunities for something to go wrong. And it often does. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

C'mon... everything has to go perfect after the snap for Bryce to deliver a deep ball. Anything less than the perfect setup and he can't throw a catchable ball deep.

No argument there. If it isn't his presnap read, then he ain't likely even trying it. But when decides to throw deep based on coverage, he's shown he can throw with accuracy. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know why folks are trying to act like T-Mac is a plodder like Funchess. The guy can run. XL was drafted in large part because he's 6'2" 220 with legit sub-4.4 speed. We don't have a QB who can throw a deep ball. We could have a fleet of absolute burners and we still wouldn't have a vertical element to our offense.

XL is a plodder. He doesn't have quickness to go with the straight line speed. A CB could run a 4.6 and easily cover him deep just by getting a hand/body on him. He doesn't play big either. TMac is not a burner, neither was Funchess. But if you throw a Ginn on the field with Funchess, then you might have something.

Bryce can throw a deep ball. He just doesn't. Which is probably worse. 

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yeah I think the issue is that Dave the play caller is likely a package deal with Dave the head coach.

Then he'll be looking for a new job soon. I don't think he should do both. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

By far the biggest difference is that we had a ROY future MVP at QB vs. Bryce Young. We aren't nearly as depleted of talent on offense as people want to make it out. It just looks that way when you're this handcuffed by the QB position.

Don't have deep threat at receiver. There really is no speed at the position. The position that should be heavy with speed is anything but. Cam had Smitty, LaFell, Legedu and 2 all pro TEs for underneath stuff. This receiving group is made up of glorified TE type WRs, and a rookie WR with a ton of potential that still has lapses in focus right now. 

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He will probably request a trade or cut if we dont pick up his 5th but so be it

Only way I'd pick up that 5th after this season is if he finished with 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs. Really don't think that's happening and would take a HUGE turnaround.

I think he could be a better HC than playcaller. Not sure why he abandoned putting the QB under center as much after the first drive - until he brought Dalton back under center at the end. FYI, those were the 2 TD drives. Bryce missed a couple of throws. But it wasn't as bad as I thought when I was watching live. He was successful for almost every playaction roll out from under center. And then we stopped doing it. The Patriots didn't stop it all game. They actually had a few "DJ Johnson-level" lose contain ends.