Navy_football

7 minutes ago, RJK said:

He can’t. Just because he’s playing better doesn’t mean his arm magically got stronger. You’ll never see a Hail Mary from past the 50 because it wouldn’t make it to the end zone. It is possible to be objective. 

How many passes have you seen that were not completed due to a lack of arm strength? I mean I get he doesn't have the strongest arm in the league, but this narrative that he can't throw the ball 50 yards is ridiculous. Now can he throw it 40 yards on a rope with a defender at his feet? I seriously doubt it. But those QBs are a rarity. Not the norm. 

1 hour ago, catnip said:

I agree here . I would give Horn more opportunities and limit Legette's routes and number of plays on the field .   I would give him one more year to get it together .  Give him a few screens and let him run in the open field .  We invested too much in him to cut him this soon .

I guarantee Horn would have more receptions, receiving yards, YAC, rushing yards and game impact if he had XL's reps and opportunities. He's just a better player at the position. Not a better athlete or prospect, but a better player. I could see him being a Josh Downs type of player. XL is a Mingo type of player. 

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

After getting burned on Brooks can you blame them?

Pretty sure they were in the same draft class. 

Yeah... and there'll be another one once Jimmy Horn starts taking XL's reps. 

How does a discussion about Shough being rookie of the year vs TMac turn into a put down of Bryce Young? Yall really sick.

11 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Add 56 year old Phillip rivers to the list of players who’d give more than Bryce 

That's an insane take. Dude can barely throw 40 yards with his whole body - and he has a lot of body. Is he better technically and reading defenses? Of course he is. He's better than most of the league in that area. He picked up an offense in 2 weeks. Like mastered it. That's because he's already seen and done it all. It's just learning the new language at this point. 

4 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Yep I hope we are sending tape to the league today. Won’t change if we don’t speak up 

I sure hope so. Even the back shoulder catch yesterday was a mauling! No flag. I'm just like how in the he11 is that not DPI or at least holding?!

Does anyone else think TMac is getting the Shaq treatment? He is constantly being held and they're pulling an arm back. I give him crap for not using 2 hands, but it kind of looks like DBs are taking an arm away and refs aren't calling it. Like never. 

2 hours ago, ChibCU said:

Not only do we have a primary OROY candidate, our rookie class is contributing weekly for a playoff hunt team. Such a positive change in draft success post-Fitterer. 

And honestly, Jimmy Horn needs to take XL's reps. Everything looks hard for XL, while Horn is a smooth and natural receiver with just as much speed but more quickness. 

25 minutes ago, frankw said:

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints?

My god man. Pull yourself together.

I don't think anyone here is saying Bryce Young is the future franchise QB we've been waiting for. But let's also not act like he has this great supporting cast. Receivers are not good right now. They're improved, but not really a good group yet. The oline has never really been great at pass pro, no matter how much they're getting paid. And the most expensive one isn't even on the field. Kinda weird that you keep circling back to that narrative. 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Let's keep it real here. BY bailed on the pocket throughout the game. Some of them turned into net positives others were not necessary. And when you reflect on the entire game and see Tyler Shough hanging in the pocket and delivering strikes while getting hit it should drive home to you that this is not what we drafted Bryce Young to do. We drafted him to be a field general and distribute the ball through the air. We were also told he would not need top shelf talent across the board as a result. None of this is okay.

Roger all that. Do you think BY avoided any sacks last game? This oline is not what you're touting them to be. They are much better then 2023! Much much much better than 2023. But come on now, you'd expect this expensive oline (most are run blocking specialist) to at least dominate in the run game every game. 

And... I keep telling you our WRs and TEs are not that good yet. I mean last Sunday was a prime example. Our receiving targets never make plays like those. Never. And this is from one of the worst teams in the league. Shough could have easily had 3 INTs if not for his receivers making plays on the ball. Our guys just don't do that. XL almost allowed an INT backing up out of bounds instead of coming to the ball. And everyone would have blamed that on BY. That's why he doesn't throw to that dude. I can't recall a game except maybe the second Falcons game - maybe, where I thought our receivers could possibly be better than the other team's. I think TMac and Coker have a lot of potential. But they're aren't consistent. But they're young and WILL improve. I'm confident of that. 

I don't agree that BY was drafted to only stand in the pocket. He has always been best off schedule - for better or worse. 

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

It was a bad play from Icky but the OL didn't give up a sack until late in the 4th quarter and Bryce just stood there like he was canatonic. If our 3rd year number one overall pick can't overcome one single sack against a rebuilding Saints team that should only have 2 wins this season then it isn't ever going to happen. You can login here and act like you are the only one above the fray and rational but in reality you're just boot licking for bottom of the barrel QB play because there isn't anyone associated with the Panthers that you wouldn't throw under several speeding buses in order to run cover for Bryce Young.

Do you think BY avoided any sacks Sunday? Just looking for your opinion. 

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

The 4th down play was poor execution by Chuba. He didn't want to get physical like Rico and cut North South to lean on his blocks from Tremble and Ekwonu for half a yard.

Also, the 3rd down play before that Bryce audibled out to a QB run and almost got the 1st down was on Chuba for not knowing the play call leading to poor execution. You can see Chuba's confusion when Bryce had to realign him. Then Chuba thought he was getting the handoff and was slow to develop his double team on the DE with Tremble. Then Chuba hesitated on pushing the block and just ran to the sideline making Bryce have to loop around him. This pulled the DE away from Tremble forcing Chuba to chip on the DE late and leaving the safety as a free defender. Chuba was suppose to double down on the DE to let Tremble peel off to the safety. This allows Bryce to set up his run to the inside or outside after the safety commits. You can also see Tremble walk over to talk to Chuba after the play and Chuba shrugs which tells me he didn't know what to do.

The audible would have worked on 3rd and the dive would have worked on 4th. The plays were good calls and drawn up well. The question is why was Chuba unprepared for those plays in two critical back to back plays?

I like Chuba as a 1st down RB and passing downs, but I have always seen him lacking the power and vision to be a short yardage power back. Chuba didn't come prepared for the Saints game or he was thrown into a position at the 3 spot that he was never prepared for.

Wow, didn't catch that! 

I don't think Chuba's a power back either but he's usually good at getting that 1 or 2 yards. That was an uncharacteristic day for him.

53 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

One of those situations can potentially be recovered from but your C allowing a guy free up the middle is the worst case scenario for an OL pass protection. There is a reason this gets discussed very frequently. 

I agree about middle pressure. Blind side is a close second. You just never see it coming. And that's where you get alot of big hits on the QB. 

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

On what basis? How many teams are trading their starting QB for ours? Not talking about backups forced into starting roles, I'm talking about guys who went into the season as planned starters? How many of those guys are getting traded for Bryce Young if the offer was on the table? It's a really short list.

Short list means there is a list. That means he isn't the worst. Not even in your eyes. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You can cherry pick to support any claim you want to make going play by play. But Bryce's overall picture of production doesn't lie. He's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.

Yeah, I never said he wasn't. Though I don't necessarily agree with that. My only point was that sack wasn't on him. It was on the LT. You can argue alot about things he doesn't do well, but he definitely avoided 4-5 sacks in that game alone. 

18 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

DB might be the hardest position to play on a football field next to QB.

Definitely the loneliest. There's no one to bail you out when you're in cover 0. 

10 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

This is like his fourth game

Pick a team. I could do it for any QB on any team. 

1 minute ago, ImfromClayton said:

I guess I see the game similarly to PFF, because I was texting my GC all game long about how bad the TE's were. It's a massive hole on our roster. All three have had at least one game where they looked like a pro bowler, but the week to week has been really poor.  Additionally, Corbett continues to struggle. He seems like a great dude, but I think that experiment has run its course. Ick with a really bad game, but he's been good this season. 

Defensively man, no pass rush and no ILB. The good news is the holes on our roster are clear and evident to everyone. I still hope we go BPA in the first. We're going to have to start paying some of our guys rather than free agents with the cap money. 

Yeah we're paying too much for offensive guards. That was never a long term approach. I expect some changes by 2027. I don't think the pass rush is as bad as it seems on paper. If Evero would keep Big Bobby at NT with Derrick and Robinson on either side, they'll get enough push on passing plays to allow Edge rushers to make plays. 

19 hours ago, Jmac said:

How would you rate this season compared to last year? Curious to see what the hive mind has to say. Did they take a step foward or not? Did Bryce improve? The coaching staff? If they sh#t the bed the remainder of the season was it any improvement?

Huge improvement! Defense alone is enough to call it that. Big step forward with such a young team and so many new faces. That usually takes time. Bryce hasn't really improved from the end of last season. Took him 12 games to finally throw the ball deep. Canales is... better. Love his aggressive style of playcalling. Still takes too long to make the right decision regarding personnel. But he seems to have a plan for everyone on the field. Will it work is yet to be seen - looking at you XL. Evero is inconsistent and too conservative. I just really don't like his defensive philosophy, but the defense is much improved. Players or coaching? They're still improved so have to give him that. 

11 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I didn’t hate the decision as much as I hated the play call. It was half a yard. Bryce could have got that. 

Unpopular opinion but he really could have gotten it. The line got enough of an initial push. Chuba jump cutting to the wrong hole instead of lowering his head allowed the defense to recover. That was on Chuba. 

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Stepping into the pocket on the two screenshots you have of the Saints is gonna get Shough's head knocked off. Notice the C absolutely getting mauled right in front of Shough. Ikey is losing, but that guy already lost.

Nah, Chase is still pushing Ickey back when he tackles Bryce. Stepping up in the pocket is not a plausible option for either. It's really about whether or not they can escape the pocket. So you think there's room to escape in the first, but not in the other two? Chase is on top of Bryce when he sees it. He'd have to slip away and out run Chase from a standstill. Not realistic. Brown and Brown are beating their guys directly in front of the QB. Shough has paths to escape if he wants to. Even get positive yards. But he doesn't.

The point is not that Bryce is better than Shough, or that he has a worse situation here. You could do this with any QB in the NFL. I'm just showing that when an offensive lineman gets beat this badly, the defender gets to you pretty dang fast. Either QB probably had a quarter of a second to make a decision. Heck, I'd argue that Shough had closer to a second with it being DTs instead of an Edge rusher. 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

You act like we gave Cam Newton the highest paid OL in the league and back to back first round WR's including one #8 overall for the first time in franchise history.

Give Bryce Young Byron Bell on his left and Nate Chandler on his right and Ted Ginn out there dropping passes that hit both his hands multiple times in the same drive. And for good measure give him Corey Brown instead of Jalen Coker. Just win baby.

We gave Cam the highest paid LT this team has ever had. That didn't work out so well did it? Doesn't matter how much they're paid or where they were drafted. Can they play? Our #8 ROOKIE WR is consistently being outplayed by our UDFA 2nd year WR. 

And... Ted Ginn's speed changed the way defenses played Carolina. No CB in the NFL could run with him. Whether he caught it or not, you had to honor that fact. That's his signifigance.

And Corey Brown ran a friggin 4.37 at the combine. What did our current WRs run? Just saying.

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

There is a point in the video it's clear he sees the pressure and decides to start backpeddling right into it vs stepping up and away from it. Watch it, it's obvious because there is a pause before he makes that choice to keep dropping regardless. That sure looks like it's on Bryce. It's not even an attack but just the obvious truth. 

No he didn't. He was looking to the right the entire time. When he realized Chase was on him, he braced for impact and protected the ball. 

So which do you think is more egregious? Not stepping up into this:

Or not stepping up into this:Or this:

Those were back-to-back redzone sacks taken by Shough Sunday.