Navy_football

9 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The team has done a lot to make Bryce look good. You list the receivers but let's not forget the most expensive offensive line in the league that's also got its LT on a rookie contract. 

Are the receivers all pro or pro bowl caliber? With the exception of Tmac possibly making the pro bowl depending on the rest of his season, no. But that doesn't have anything to do with hitting guys in stride Sunday which is something he hasn't really been able to do all season. 250YAC is crazy. It's why guys like Tyreek have always been so deadly at near full speed when it hits their hands. 

I think if Bryce can do that with much more consistency, and we have the occasional real deep ball or 30 or more to keep safeties honest, Bryce could turn the corner and so could some of the receivers. 

Agree about oline. They've tried their best to improve that area. But honestly, has it looked like the most expensive oline in the NFL to you? Not just with Bryce. With Dalton's one game where they almost got the old man killed. 

Also YAC shouldn't always be hitting a guy in stride while he's running full speed. Pickens killed us after the catch and those weren't all hit-in-stride plays. I remember a play in Miami when a guy caught a 5 yards curl and took it like 30-40 yards to the house. We don't have that in Carolina. Horn might be the closest thing to that but he can't get significant PT for whatever reason.

If Bryce keeps trusting his receivers to make plays, I think he'll become more consistent. Seemed like he only trusted TMac. And force feeding one receiver isn't sustainable. Defenses will start to blanket him and take him out of the game. And yeah, keep taking deep shots. I hate all that dink and dunk football. Hate it. 

48 minutes ago, strato said:

I thought he hit his ceiling in the Dallas game. Because it was a 4 quarter effort not the more typical suck and then redeem yourself just enough with a decent half or quarter. 
 

I think Sunday looked more like his ceiling but the idea is execute what you asked to do without fuging it up. If they need you to make a play, you make the play. Do it for 60 minutes. 

There have been games Canales needed to hide him as well, and hope we could get through them playing that way. 

This past Sunday is definitely a ceiling and required big plays from WRs, TEs and RBs after the catch. I don't feel like Canales was hiding Bryce. It was more like Bryce was playing like he didn't trust his receivers. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. He has to get out of that mindset, because he's a much better QB when he goes out there as a playmaker. Granted early on in the season, the pass pro was not up to par and Bryce couldn't figure out how to take a sack without fumbling the dang ball. 

22 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Exactly, this thread is dumb. Diminishing his effort in the Cowboys game even though he made good passes on the final drive. You can make this thread for every quarterback.

He had 3 TDs against Dallas. If someone's diminishing his contributions in that game, then they have an agenda. 

2 hours ago, strato said:

That’s Bryce so far. Does it once or twice a year.  The rest is just nothing special. 
I feel like he needs to put it in gear and make the very good games his floor. Not next year. Not in two more years. Now. 

Agree. I think Canales was calling plays that require downfield passing, or a check down. Make Bryce show you he can push the ball downfield by just taking away all of those 5-10 yards routes every play. 

5 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I have not heard anything positive that Zavala has done. He is a liability on the O-line. The only qualification that he has to playing on an O-line is that he weighs over 300 lbs. 

wasn't he pretty good on the left side with Ickey last season? Maybe he and D Lewis can switch? I know. It could lead to 2 positions being out of sync. But might be worth a shot. 

I know we give BY a lot of credit for Sunday, but the reality is it was as much a coming out party for the receivers as it was for the QB. They made clutch catches and actually gained YAC. Their development is just as important as the QBs to the passing game. This is a super young group and they'll only get better. Anyone saying how much the team has done before the season to make BY look good is being disingenuous. This was going to take some time to gain chemistry as soon as Thielen was traded. This is who caught passes Sunday:

TMac - rookie

Mitch Evans- rookie

XL - 2nd year project player

Coker - 2nd year UDFA

J Sanders - 2nd year

Tremble - vet that's mostly considered a blocking TE

Tremayne - 3rd year UDFA that caught exactly 1 pass for -2 yards before coming to Carolina

Dowdle - first year with the team, and he's a RB

Chuba - RB who is not a natural pass catcher and needed a lot of work to become a somewhat viable receiving option

Potential is there. But this is not a great group to start the season with. Particularly for a young QB coming into his 3rd season. Either way BY has to figure it out and fast. This team has been much more patient than a lot of teams would. Even if you're dealt a bad hand. 

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If all you can get out of the last couple weeks is 2 minutes of film then you probably aren't very valuable as a film reviewer.  There is more to be learned in bad film than good film.

Can't argue that. At all. 

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's a game you can play all day long.  The WR made a great catch in coverage so give them credit, or the WR got wide open so that's on him as well as the CB for blowing coverage.  Yes I know it goes both ways, but it's hard to discredit Bryce for much of anything last Sunday.  The Sunday prior and many others ones, sure there is plenty.  

Jayden Daniels had a hail mary last season that was nothing but Terry McLauren making a play. Jayden just threw the ball in his general direction. 

4 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

Icky got beat quick a couple of times and then Zavala was just whiffing on guys running down hill.   Dalton would not have survived that game.  

You can't whif on A and B gap blitzes. That'll get your QB f'd up quick. At least make him go around you a little. Get beat on a spin or swim? Ok the dude was just better than you that play. But to not account for guys blitzing your gap when you're a friggin OG is inexcusable. 

18 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Lol where has this been the last few weeks?

It would have been a 2 minute video the last couple of weeks. 

I mean if you're taking GWDs off the record because he didn't throw a pass, should we add a few where he took the lead or tied the game with less than a minute and a half left in the game, and the defense crapped the bed? Or if the WR drops a perfectly thrown ball that hits him in both hands and the stomach/chest area? Seems like similar logic to me. 

A lot of QBs get freebie GWDs. It's not just a Bryce thing. Dude just needs to keep pushing the ball down the field and stop dinking and dunking all the time. We know he can do it. He just has to know it. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I feel like most of his are going to fall under this category.  I feel like it was just a couple weeks ago they mentioned Bryce only kneeling in the victory formation a couple times his career.  Mostly due to the poor record, but also due to most of his wins being on GWDs.  

I think so too.

But to be fair, the defense has given up a few as well.

Gonna be tough on Carolina's defense. They have a receiving TE and RB. Like best in the NFL at what we tend to struggle against. This game will come down to CSW and Moehrig. Maybe Thornton can get in the fray. 

Offensively, this is a game Carolina should be able to move the ball on the ground and in the air. The key will be the redzone. Gotta come away with more TDs than FGs. 

Hope: 30-24 Panthers

Realistically: 40-24 49ers

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Also a Bryce hater here, and yes, I'll give him credit for having his best game of his career.

But at the same time, he still had so many just baffling plays and terrible throws.

It's a very weird feeling after this one, as I still very much don't think he is a viable long term solution at QB, but it was his best game of his career, I can admit that.  But also admittedly, my fear is he just played his way into having his 5th year picked up and given the starting position again next year.

Your expectations aren't realistic. No QB makes every throw in any game. Watch KC play right now. Let me know how many passes you think Mahomes could have made but didn't. Heck we saw Josh Allen miss passes against Carolina a couple of weeks ago. 

Let him be out

Make up call

Why are they not blitzing Kirk f'ing Cousins?! He's a statue in the pocket 

Yeah Evero!!!

Damn. That's ok. Let's go defense 

Let's fuggin goooo!!!

Let's fugging goooo!!!!

Probably should have put that high for TMac there.

We better not be playing for FG. Come on Canales

Lets go!

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

No idea how he’s going to step into a throw with his ankle boot

Don't care. Gotta give guys a chance to make plays. Can't have one or two opportunities every other game and think they'll get better at it.