Navy_football

43 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Well you're ignoring the parts preceding the rapport; route running and awareness are pretty important prerequisites.  No amount of rapport is going to overcome erratic route running.  I don't think it's a coincidence that Bryce had the most success connecting with a 33-year-old very slow and unathletic  Adam Thielen.  Because their strengths complement one another.  Thielen is the type of receiver Bryce needs IMO, not necessarily athletic freaks.  And that's why I'm eager to see how Diontae Johnson does in our offense because he seems (on paper at least) to be a Thielen-type who can get open but with some actual YAC ability.

I think Ladd McConkey is the Thielen upgrade. Thielen 3.0. 

On 3/19/2024 at 9:13 PM, CamWhoaaCam said:

We had Agent 89 his name was DJ Moore.

Nah. Not really. 

20 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean thats basically just blind optimism as he showed absolutely nothing last year

And that's just blind pessimism to say he showed absolutely nothing last year. Nothing? All year?

He showed alot. Not consistently enough to be a successful QB (winning games) in the NFL. The point is a lot of that had to do with his supporting cast, as we continue to state over and over. Maybe a better cast allows him to be more consistent. Maybe it doesn't. We'll see the next couple of seasons. I just choose to cheer for his success and point out his positives, rather than constantly point out his negatives and seemingly cheer for him to fail.

On 3/18/2024 at 8:47 AM, Lurk21 said:

Bro... this!!!   Dude needs to be incorporated  in our offense. Every pass that Bryce made to him, he turned it into a positive play!! 

and he consistently got separation. and he consistently broke tackles. big play receiver that can't get a chance. thinking maybe he has a hard time picking up the offense. otherwise, WTF!

McConkey is the right choice. If they can get both, great. But, DO NOT pass on Ladd for Leggette!

20 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

If he has a bounce back year with the chargers its gonna say a lot.

what will it say? he looked bad last season. maybe wrong scheme or coaching?

4 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Our OL salary in 2024 is 69m vs. 42m league average.  It is expected to balloon to 87m in 2025, second highest in the league, and that is without Corbett.  You have to find a way to bring the average down to a reasonable level.  Team-building means looking out more than the current year.

I agree with this. But I think they need a year or 2 to figure out if the QB is the right guy, so they're spending a little more to keep him upright this season. Last year's cluster fug was a complete throw away, and he'll have to learn a second offense in his second season. Good times. 

Swing tackles and guys that can play both guards and/or center are gold! It isn't a matter of if, but when. Even if they don't ever start, guys will get dings during games that cause them to sit out plays or drives. All it takes is one bad olineman to blow a play up.

25 minutes ago, strato said:

Well I flat out don’t think he does have a good enough arm. There is not a thing I have seen from him that makes that sound ridiculous.

It would be ridiculous if there were no evidence that it’s true. I don’t see him as having proven otherwise in 16 NFL games.

For me, I cannot at all understand what you think he will be top ten at. That is actually a bit ridiculous sounding to me, no joke. But there is probably some stat he can put up that makes it. 

I think he is obviously limited and the scheme will be limited to match. In writing.

The more defenses can shrink the area they believe they have to defend, the more congested ands harder it will get. I don’t see him getting them to back off. Unless somehow he gets Russell Wilson's luck and WRs on his rainbow deep balls. 

What is going to happen is they will hide him and ask much less of him, mostly so he can succeed at something and get his mind right. They hope. Canales has already said. Going point guard in the half court as long as they can. If they can.

The should be able to run on most people now, the backs jobs just got a lot easier. It was a pretty major OL move of course people feel it was almost an above and beyond overreaction but I like OL, no complaints.

So they will possibly get him to look good enough justify them not replacing him. But that’s the ceiling as I see it. Thanks to the internet I know Bill Walsh said you know by 24 games maybe it was 25 games. That you may know sooner but you will for sure know by then. One way or the other.

My biggest worry is that if he hasn’t improved significantly by then, IOW has not proven it by then, that people won’t pull the plug and move on. 

 

The one thing this new regime has shown, is a willingness to part with underperformers or bad fits. If Bryce doesn't look more like a good NFL QB next season, barring injuries to him or key positions, I'm confident he'll be on the outs. Sooner rather than later. 

But I do think he gets a gimme on this past season. Like it or not, he was in one of the worst positions a rookie QB has ever experienced. From owner, to coaches, to supporting cast. It was a complete fiasco. Made for tv drama type crap going on behind the scenes. And there's a reason the entire interior oline is being replaced/revamped. There's a reason Dionte Johnson was brought in and they're looking for more help at the position. And they'll likely draft at least one more receiver, even if Williams is signed. Ickey probably only gets another season too. 

And he has enough arm. That was never an issue. Confidence - in himself, his receivers, and most importantly his protection played a role in him not letting it rip too often. But he showed plenty of zip on a lot of throws. And from some awkard angles. Saying he doesn't have a strong enough arm means there were NO throws that looked like legit NFL passes. And that's just not accurate. He will defintely need to improve on his deep ball accuracy too. That or take more shots. No one will remember the 2 you missed in the game, if you hit 2 others. Saw that with Stroud - alot. 

I guess labeling him a top 10 QB can be subjective. But if enough people say it, then it'll have to have some merit. 

1 hour ago, steelhead said:

We're cool with it.  We understand he will be our #1 and can tackle. But we know he'll let up big plays.

We know there's an injury a couple years ago.  And we hope it doesn't happen again. 

 

But with him reworking his contract to only 4.75 million, it makes it all OK to us now.  

 

 

Donte is a good CB, not a great one. But he is definitely a good CB. 

He is an absolute steal for $4.75M per season though. Just understand that he'll get hurt and miss a few plays every game (usually after he gives up a big play), but he's a willing tackler and fights to separate the ball from the receiver. 

26 minutes ago, strato said:

There you go. Making a fair point (although based on a questionable hypothesis, top 10? At what?).

If he doesn’t do that you will look... wrong. So that is fair. 

But then you go personal and insulting. Most of you Bryce people do that, keep those standards up yo.

And I know it was over Gerber, but he didn’t call You Gerber. 

Just matching the energies. Honestly, I wasn't even a Bryce guy. I wasn't a Stroud guy either to be fair. I didn't think the Panthers were ready to draft a QB last season. The roster was hot garbage, and I knew it wasn't ready for a rookie QB. My expectations were tempered last season. But I do think Bryce showed he was who we thought he was. He's actually way ahead of Stroud in a lot of ways (Stroud definitely has a stronger arm), but as a rookie, he looked bad A LOT due to all of the adversity. You would really have to look at the ALL 22 to see the details. It's almost impossible to see as a fan during the emotion of the game, and just wanting to see him make plays. I get that. But the ridiculously hot takes like he doesn't have an NFL arm, or he's too weak, or he's too slow, or he can't run, or he can't throw from the pocket, or he can't... Even when he did the thing they say he couldn't do, they still say he can't do it. Make that make sense. 

So far as supporting cast goes, I think he only needs NFL average to be successful. NFL average play book. NFL average playcalling. NFL average receivers. NFL average protection. Do you think the Panthers had NFL average in any of those areas? Of course not. But the expectation was that a rookie QB was gonna come in and somehow make everyone be above average. QB is the most dependent position on the field. One offensive lineman or RB can miss a block and ruin the play. One WR can run the wrong route or drop the ball (or fumble through the goal line). The OC and scheme can make the defense's job easy if it's basic and predictable. Unfortunately, there were way too many games where it was more than one guy missing blocks, dropping passes, and scheming bad plays with no plan. 

Some of you guys are gonna look real dumb when Bryce Young becomes a top 10 QB in the NFL by 2025.

Spoiler: he'll only need NFL average receivers and linemen to get there.

Bonus Spoiler: many of you have no idea what you're looking at and are as emotional as a 3 year old little girl that can't stop thinking about waffles.

44 minutes ago, Panthero said:

I guess the logic is every defense has a weakness, having different types of wrs allow you to take advantage of that. But there has been a tide change to just wrs that can accelerate and get open and then YAC. So maybe my model is dated. Pearsall and Wilson certainly fit your model better.  But the first two not so much. 

Yeah, I don't think this will be the type of offense that finds/creates mismatches. It'll be more "find the hole" in the defense and get the ball there as quickly as possible so the receiver can work his magic.

1 hour ago, Panthero said:

Oh I agree we need to go heavy on pass catchers. I'm just being picky. Not meant as a diss, just prefer other guys--but im not some film guru so i may be completely wrong. Think we need an X, keon coleman or maybe a guy a like AD mitchell, not necessarily an X but wins toss ups. I like Roman Wilson for the slot. I also think Ricky Pearsall (sp?) Is gonna be a great pro. 

In a conventional offense, I'd agree with having X types, Y types and Z types. But if Bryce is the "processor" he was sold to be, then he just needs guys that can a) get open, and b) catch the catchable pass. 

I'm of the opinion that guys that understand route concepts and coverages/leverages so they can adjust real time are better fits than guys that can out jump or out run the competition. 

Wow! Haven't had a off-season any where close to this since 2015.

If a team offers 2 firsts and a second?

You have to trade him. Only franchise QBs are worth that in today's NFL. Definitely a haul for a DT!

And I love DB. Everything about him. 

15 hours ago, bandu said:

well now I know  the Panthers definitely  plan on running the ball more this season  so yeah with that said  i look for them to draft some fresh wheels in this upcoming draft...just saying

Agree. A speedy, homerun hitter that can run zone read. 

14 hours ago, HardcoreHokie said:

Two short of back to back 69’s, so sad.

69 and I owe you one = 68

1 hour ago, Puresteel55 said:

Are you saying there is something wrong with being “country”. 
Not trying to start anything or being disrespectful in any way, just curious.

Nope

21 minutes ago, Puresteel55 said:

And if you’re lucky, he just might take you Snipe hunting. You seem like you might be a good candidate for the traditional honor. If you know what I mean.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean. But I assure you I'm nobody's snipe hunt gip. I'm from the south, but I'm not "country". 

16 minutes ago, Mage said:

Run defense should be much better next year... hopefully.

Honestly, removing Burns almost guarantees it will be better. The pass rush will suffer a little. But the run defense will improve. Constantly out of position to set the edge and opening up running lanes. 

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Can't hunt after dark. He will deer hunt in the morning before the game to get his mind in a killing mood and share the kill with his teammates though.

Oh, you're right. My bad! But he's definitely hunting with a bow made out of orange wood and mule tendons.

1 minute ago, CmC2k said:

The dude's back story has me rooting for him. He would definitely be a DAWG that Morgan is looking for. 

I agree. I'm just not that impressed with him as a route runner or pure receiver type. He's more of a DJ Moore type. Nothing wrong with that - there's a place for the RBs split out wide, but has to be the right offense because you're mostly gonna have to scheme him to get him touches.

1 hour ago, CmC2k said:

He's gonna have a game where he has 10 catches for 150 yards and 2 TD and then go bass fishing afterwards. 

All jokes aside, guys like this are the hardest workers in the building. They're just built different.

1 hour ago, CmC2k said:

He's gonna have a game where he has 10 catches for 150 yards and 2 TD and then go bass fishing afterwards. 

Yep. Right after he brings in the chickens, slops the hogs, mine the corn fields for critters and feeds the hunting dogs. Oh, he going deer hunting later that night too.