Navy_football

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

His downfield accuracy was a concern in college too. It was just exacerbated at the NFL level. Most flaws are.

Fair. Hopefully that's worked out this season. Every passing game needs at least a threat of a deep ball. 

Honestly, the oline upgrades are the biggest improvements to the WR corps. How many times was the QB hit at release and/or didn't have time to throw when he saw guys open? Inside pressure is kryptonite to every QB in the pocket. 

10 hours ago, top dawg said:

Goodell ought to be ashamed of himself. He was probably high. They'll never be able to use that clip in a oromo:  "With the 32nd pick in the 2024 NFL draft,the Carolina Panthers select Xavier Leejet..."

I legit think Goodell had to take some powerful drugs after Latham snatched him up like a rag doll. I guess he didn't get the memo about his back. 

Man if they mess around and draft Ladd at 39, I'm driving down to Carolina for every home game. 

I'll gladly give them my money and my time. I just really want to see the Panthers finally embrace the change in the NFL. O line and playmaking WRs are extremely important in today's NFL. 

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When we did have open receivers downfield and Bryce saw them it usually looked like this

https://www.nfl.com/videos/bryce-young-misses-golden-opportunity-for-45-yard-td-pass-to-mingo

 

Come on LG. I could pull a bunch of those for every QB in the NFL. Even the second QB picked in last year's draft. Rookie of the year. Pro bowler. Second coming...

Bryce's problem is that he didn't throw enough of those. He definitely needs to take more shots downfield. 

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Who has done that in the Tepper years? That's all I'm talking about.

Well now... that changes everything. Maybe Derrick Brown? Luvu? That's all I got. 

But new GM, new HC, new OC, new cap wizard. Things can change for the best. 

18 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

He's an asset stripper - there's nothing to respect about him. 

Right. 

But there's football and there's real life. I can love a person as a football player, and hate him as a human being - and vice versa. 

For the record, I really wanted Ladd McConkey. I think he's a Thielen 3.0. Not 2.0, but 3.0. 

But I can see their reasoning for going with XL. Schematically it makes more sense. But you WILL have to replace what Thielen and Johnson do too. And that day will likely come sooner rather than later. It's a true testament to Thielen's toughness that he caught 100 balls for 1000 yards at his age with no real threats to open things underneath for him. But you can't think he won't get injured at his age at that tick. Father time always wins. 

12 minutes ago, strato said:

Everything goes through the QB, Navy and you know this. 

Okay I’ll bite, edit to add:

Downfield, this guy can maybe be helpful too, as he will go after that ball. And Young has been inaccurate downfield. I don’t expect that to get accurate because of Canales or two big guards (which are all positives I think), he wasn’t accurate in school either and I struggle to see that changing..

When I imagine Russel Wilson in the early days of his success I see rainbows and jump balls and had little love for that. Okay it was beating us that day but that stuff, I don’t respect it. And I have said from the jump that Bryce is like, a Wilson. 

Doesn't that fear of getting beat on 1v1s on the outside make the defense play different. As much as I've heard huddlers say defenders weren't afraid of BY's arm, I think it was more of the WRs speed, tracking, and ability to win at the point. If he goes out there and snags a jump ball or two 40+ yards downfield, you'll magically see defenses respect BY's too weak arm a little more. That'll open things up underneath where the route runners and TEs usually live. 

15 minutes ago, strato said:

You might be right. I haven’t done a ton of film watching the WRs. I stopped spending all the time on that stuff a while ago and only did it last year on QB because of that trade. 

I am probably guilty of fitting the guy to what I see at QB, and excluding guys with certain tools because I don’t think would be truly utilized.. 

Strato, does everything have to come back to Bryce Young and how he limits the offense? So who was the big, speedy, jump ball WR last season for Bryce to throw to? Who was the guy that could go get the ball if you just threw it up for grabs? Who was the 50/50 receiver?

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This has been a huge issue for us. We've had guys flash some potential but it seems like everyone we draft is as good as they're ever gonna be on the day we draft them. From that point on they either plateau or regress.

Offensively. Hopefully that is changing as the NFL is changing their focus to scoring vs hard hits. 

Defensively, the Panthers have had a ton of guys reach their potential. Some haven't of course. But a lot have exceeded expectations. 

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

I know!  He'll make a mistake in practice and then he's an all-time bust, by Huddle Logic.

Or he'll make a ridiculous catch high pointing the ball, and all of a sudden there are Moss and Metcalf expectations. He's gonna look good in practice going against our DBs. Assuming Horn will be injured. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Drake Maye was definitely the big loser last night. Definitely walking into the worst situation of the rookie QBs.

He really is. I mean that's Bryce Young level bad situation.  

First of all, Tepper has too much money to be confronting people like that. It's just too dangerous now a days. Folks are crazy!

But I like his attitude of not taking ish from anybody and talking to people man to man. It's obvious that he doesn't come from money. He's a self made billionare and that's pretty rare. Probably a real straight shooter and I respect the heck out of that!

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Lol

So... you don't agree? 

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's sort of been the story of us recently. Shooting for the moon and falling into the ocean instead. 

The trade up was just stupid. But, we will see if the player is worthwhile. 

Yeah, I don't think the trade up was worth it. I mean aren't you paying him more on his rookie contract because he was drafted in the 1st round vs the 2nd? Will the fifth year option will cover the difference in net present value?

I think XL will be more exciting than Ladd or AD. At this point, I don't want exciting. I want consistency at the position. We'll see. Probably the better deep ball and jump ball option of the 3.

Just have realistic expectations for XL. Ladd and Mitchell will look better out the gate, but he does have the higher ceiling. He should have the better highlight reel as a rookie, but Ladd will have the stats. We'll see in 2-3 years if he was the right choice.

Ladd and AD are still available? Hmmm...

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Let's see how he does this year and worry about that next year. If they're lucky they will add a couple of receivers with promise in the offseason and it will make the decision easier. 

I mean worst case, he's an upgrade over Thielen, who just tallied 1000 yards this season. If Bryce trusts him, he'll force feed him every game. Diontae will get 1000 yards if he doesn't get injured. That'll be worth a HUGE contract next year. 

So what was that about resigning Diontae Johnson next year? I was thinking around $20M a year. I may have grossly underestimated what he'll want.

Draft WRs early and often. 

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

How's those mock drafts coming along there folks?

Every mock is busted to Hell right now. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE!!!

I don't think the draft should be about filling holes. It's about bringing in talent for the future. The expectation that a rookie will start day 1 and be a pro bowl talent is not realistic. You want them to come in, play meaningful minutes, and improve throughout the season. That way you have options at the end. 

This WR corps is not proven in this offense with this HC and this OC. The only one that has consistently caught for 1000 yards is in his mid 30s now. Very good WRs will be available in the 2nd round on Friday. Don't take a fringe 2nd/3rd round CB or DE because the team needs one, when a WR that could have easily gone in the 1st last year is sitting there. Thielen, Moore, TMJ and Johnson could very likely be gone next season. And even if they are still here, that group doesn't exactly strike fear in the hearts of DCs - even if you add Mingo and ISM to the list. None of them were 1st round talents coming into the league. They were all developmental projects. 

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

zooming out though? 

We had THE worst offense in the NFL.  Improving on the O is a bigger need than improving on the D.  And you have legit D coach in Carolina that likely can do more via scheme than reliance on individuals.  We don't have the same type proven coaching in the O side. 

Really good point. I think we forget that defense (particularly secondary) can be schemed to hide weaker areas a lot easier than offense.

Bro, I've called for WRs on both second round picks forever. Ladd, Ricky then Van Pran would be my dream for the 1st three picks. I don't think TE is that big of a need. 

Thielen and Diontae could legit be gone next season. Why not get their insurance plans in a WR heavy draft? And even if Diontae comes back, he'll be trying to get 20M+ a year. Shouldn't the team prepare for that?

4 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

if someone like Chop or JPJ happen to fall, i think you have to jump at 33. I even include Ladd here, because i don’t think he’ll make it to 39. 

if they’re all gone, then i think the trade down option becomes really tasty, and it means Nix or Penix are there for the taking. picking up next years 2nd, or maybe even a 1st from a desperate team will be a great bonus.

another question is, would you rather have Ladd plus Zach Frazier, or JPJ plus Coleman or Pearsall? I lean toward Ladd and Frazier.

Ladd, Pearsall and SVP. But I'm admittantly an all offense draft proponent.