Navy_football

6 hours ago, Martin said:

Burns best game will be against us as it is his “prove you wrong” game. And media will eat it up and ignore the rest of his season that will be good, but not great. Certainly not what they paid $30M for.

Not if Canales runs right at him. These guards and tackles would eat him alive. 

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Whaaatt....no way!! You mean all those overthrown balls from bryce really werent mingos fault after all?!!

That's not what that says at all. Wow. Just wow.

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're just gonna have to hope he's better this year. I think you've completely deluded yourself on what you saw last year.

I was wrong about Bryce. I've said it before. I had some concerns about his arm strength but I never dreamed it would be as bad as it was. 

Bro, I am not excited about the Bryce Young we saw last season. If this season resembles that, then he'll be on the outs. Or on a very short leash by week 10. 

Due to supporting cast, I just don't think we can make definitive statements based on last season. Let's just be patient and see how it plays out. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

His deep ball accuracy was terrible and I can't recall a single deep out he completed against good coverage.

It's all relative, man. You're trying to make a really dumb argument here. Every QB in the NFL or on a college roster for that matter has a strong arm in comparison to the entire human population but that's not what we're talking about about here. We're talking about NFL QBs. 

So his deep ball inaccuracy was almost all OVERthrows, correct. That doesn't necessarily scream weak arm. Lack of touch, needed more air, yes. Lack of arm strength. No.

Deep out against GOOD COVERAGE. See how this becomes a subjective argument?

And I didn't think my argument was dumb. That's just mean Lin. Tried to think of another sport where the play revolves around throwing a ball. Guys get K'd on 80-90MPH pitches all the time. Just because a pitcher has the weakest arm in the majors, doesn't mean he can't put guys in the K box. Similarly, just like the MLB is the cream of the crop, so is the NFL. Bryce could have the weakest arm in the NFL, and still have a good enough arm. 

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Dismissing Dalton's lone start with the same supporting cast same system same staff only to deflect for Bryce Young's is laughable.

You're coping right off a cliff guys.

Who is dismissing it? Dalton balled out that game, particularly late. Would that game have been sustainable for a season is the real question. He took an A$$ whippin. Huge shots. 

Kind of like when every one was so enamored with Devito his first couple of games. It wasn't sustainable. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, it would mean that he has a weak arm for an NFL QB. That's literally exactly what that would mean. On the bell curve of NFL QB arm strength is at or near the bottom of that curve. I simply haven't seen this evidence that he can "make all the throws". People keep saying that and then I watch him fail to make the throws. Something isn't adding up here.

Ok. Which throw did he fail to make - every time, because his arm was too weak?

So the weakest arm of all the starting pitchers in the MLB has a weak arm? Even though he can throw in the upper 80s or low 90s. He has a weak arm? You go up there and try to hit a 92 MPH fast ball and let me know how it goes. If you don't crap yourself in the batter's box. Then, you should just take that to the grave. 

11 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

On top of that he had to throw it 60 times to even reach those stats and the team still lost.  Who would have thought a 10+ year veteran who threw double the amount of normal passes in one game could have more yards and completions than a rookie?  

Right... don't know what I was thinking. 

And a 3 time pro-bowler vet at that. Silly me...

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm sorry but this is just denying reality. I thought going into the draft that his arm was probably NFL average at best but probably below average. Like run of the mill below average. Not near bottom of the league. What I saw on the field was one of the weakest arms on an NFL roster. 

Why don't we try naming the QBs who took to an NFL field last year who showed a weaker arm. 

Yeah, that exercise would be purely subjective in nature. What are the parameters? How do we measure his arm strength? And let's say he does have the weakest arm in the NFL. Does that necessarily mean he has a weak arm? No. As long as he can make all the throws, his arm is strong enough. And it is. 

Just watch his highlights for the season, after clearing your mind (avoid the strong pull of confirmation bias). You're not coming away thinking this guy has a weak arm. Not elite. But not weak either. Good enough to make all the throws he needs to.

And honestly gents, he could have the weakest arm of every starting QB in the NFL, and that still not mean his arm is too weak for the NFL. He doesn't need a special dink and dunk offense because he can't put velocity on a throw over 20 yards. 

Ya'll have to chill with the hyperbole just to prove a point. He might not make it in the NFL, but it won't be because he can't accurately zip a 30 yards pass. Jeez...

6 minutes ago, RumHam said:

These bryce backers man

Honestly I'm not really a Bryce backer Rum. I can just be objective and realistically understand that every play is not in a vacuum. If they draft a QB in the 7th round that beats Bryce out and takes Carolina to the Super Bowl, I would never utter his name again. 

33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That was an amazing moment of candor. Yeah, this over the hill journeyman presents a unique threat that our #1 overall pick doesn't - namely being the size of an NFL QB and then vs. Seattle we also found out that our offense could actually present a vertical threat when our QB displayed the ability to throw a ball more than 20 yards in the air.

I think we've forgotten how that game went. Dalton balled out late in that game. I mean Stroud wouldn't have been able to do what Dalton did in that game. And yes there were drops and yes Dalton took a lot of hits and still delivered the ball. But believe this... there is NO way Dalton finishes the season if he takes that beating every week. I would have given him another 2-3 weeks, 4 tops. 

Here we go with the "hot takes" again. True - Bryce doesn't have an elite arm, but he DOES have a good arm. More than adequate for the NFL. Particularly because he can throw from odd angles and doesn't need to set his feet to deliver with accuracy. If he sets his feet and lets the ball rip, it'd have a lot more velocity. But that's not his game. It's not a physical limitation. It's a choice to not throw with high velocity all the time. Which you shouldn't. But I agree, there were times when he should have put more zip on the ball, or more air under the pass. He's a finesse passer. Not a Cam. 

Footwork does need to be cleaned up. But I can't blame the man for wanting to be in a position to bail playing behind that oline, with those receivers, in that scheme. He showed plenty of zip on a number of throws last season. He showed the ability to move defenders with his eyes/body movement and throw with high level anticipation - rookies aren't normally able to do either consistently. He showed that he was very elusive when he did decide to run. Decision making was his biggest issue, but that comes with time and/or good coaching. I mean, he WAS a rookie without much help last year. The plan for this season, is to give him a better supporting cast, so that they're able to determine if he's the guy. Do we think Canales and Morgan decided to replace 3/5 of the oline, and bring in 2 new WRs (possibly another 2 in the draft) because guys were open and Bryce couldn't get them the ball? No. They watched the film and saw a team that put too much pressure on one player - that happened to be a rookie. 

12 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

This decision by the front office gives me hope. An actual intelligent decision was made 

Thinking the same thing! I love, love, love that they're not forcing the square into the round hole. Not only from a schematic standpoint, but from a fiscal standpoint as well. This team is not in a place to gamble on vets with big question marks. Draft well and go with the guys you have. Put the onus on coaches to improve team play by understanding individual weaknesses and strengths. 

Nah. This draft is too deep at WR and OL. It makes more sense to use those later picks on those players instead. A project QB that likely won't see the field for the next 2 years vs a WR or OL that could contribute and play day 1. 

4 hours ago, strato said:

Pessimism is not blind and starts at 5’9. It moves on to that arm, that cannot get any juice on a football unless he has a runway to put his who body into the throw. You might get 45 air yards maybe, if he has that opportunity.

Why do you want to deal with that when you have the top pick?

Tell you what you won't get: flick that wrist like a pro and the ball is flying on a shallow trajectory 30-40-50 yards and when they put their body onto it, a sight more than your boy.

 

strato... come on. This is what I'm talking about. These are the hot takes that I just can't get with. If you don't like the guy, just say that. Making claims that he can't do things that he's done, is just hard to take in.

If you don't think Bryce has a strong arm. ok. That is mostly subjective and you're entitled to your opinion. Saying he can't throw the ball 45 yards, is... I just can't. 

Does he have a Stroud, Levis, or Richardson arm? I can agree that he probably doesn't. But he does have a more than strong enough arm to play QB in the NFL. If arm strength were all that mattered then Cam, Culpepper, George, Vick, Cutler and Jamarcus Russell would all be 1st ballot HOFers. 

He can make every throw, or can improvise to make every throw needed - height can be an issue at times. Agree he needs to put a little more air on the deep balls. But he's thrown darts at 30+ yards. 90%+ of his passes will be less than that. I'm more interested in the 20-25 yards throws off platform at awkard arm angles that fall into receiver's hands. 

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I was thinking an upgraded version of Cooper Kupp.

I can see that. Quickness is similar, but Ladd probably has him beat in the straight line speed department.

43 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Well you're ignoring the parts preceding the rapport; route running and awareness are pretty important prerequisites.  No amount of rapport is going to overcome erratic route running.  I don't think it's a coincidence that Bryce had the most success connecting with a 33-year-old very slow and unathletic  Adam Thielen.  Because their strengths complement one another.  Thielen is the type of receiver Bryce needs IMO, not necessarily athletic freaks.  And that's why I'm eager to see how Diontae Johnson does in our offense because he seems (on paper at least) to be a Thielen-type who can get open but with some actual YAC ability.

I think Ladd McConkey is the Thielen upgrade. Thielen 3.0. 

On 3/19/2024 at 9:13 PM, CamWhoaaCam said:

We had Agent 89 his name was DJ Moore.

Nah. Not really. 

20 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean thats basically just blind optimism as he showed absolutely nothing last year

And that's just blind pessimism to say he showed absolutely nothing last year. Nothing? All year?

He showed alot. Not consistently enough to be a successful QB (winning games) in the NFL. The point is a lot of that had to do with his supporting cast, as we continue to state over and over. Maybe a better cast allows him to be more consistent. Maybe it doesn't. We'll see the next couple of seasons. I just choose to cheer for his success and point out his positives, rather than constantly point out his negatives and seemingly cheer for him to fail.

On 3/18/2024 at 8:47 AM, Lurk21 said:

Bro... this!!!   Dude needs to be incorporated  in our offense. Every pass that Bryce made to him, he turned it into a positive play!! 

and he consistently got separation. and he consistently broke tackles. big play receiver that can't get a chance. thinking maybe he has a hard time picking up the offense. otherwise, WTF!

McConkey is the right choice. If they can get both, great. But, DO NOT pass on Ladd for Leggette!

20 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

If he has a bounce back year with the chargers its gonna say a lot.

what will it say? he looked bad last season. maybe wrong scheme or coaching?

4 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Our OL salary in 2024 is 69m vs. 42m league average.  It is expected to balloon to 87m in 2025, second highest in the league, and that is without Corbett.  You have to find a way to bring the average down to a reasonable level.  Team-building means looking out more than the current year.

I agree with this. But I think they need a year or 2 to figure out if the QB is the right guy, so they're spending a little more to keep him upright this season. Last year's cluster fug was a complete throw away, and he'll have to learn a second offense in his second season. Good times. 

Swing tackles and guys that can play both guards and/or center are gold! It isn't a matter of if, but when. Even if they don't ever start, guys will get dings during games that cause them to sit out plays or drives. All it takes is one bad olineman to blow a play up.