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1 hour ago, Mage said:

Most people didn't care because they realize that the consensus #1 QB in the draft (which Bryce was, despite what so many people on here attempt to argue otherwise) tends to not throw at the combine (ie Caleb Williams)

https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1761955928184607023

Now if you want to argue that Bryce wasn't as good as those guys, go ahead.  I'm not getting into any "Bryce bad/good" debates.  

All I'm saying is that as the guy who was largely considered No. 1 during the college football season and before the draft, it made sense from a business perspective for him to not throw and that is why it didn't raise any flags with most people who pay attention to these things.  Just like most people didn't care about Caleb Williams not throwing (although as always you have your small % of people who insist it matters).

Right but generally the #1 prospect is #1 for more reasons than just his brain. 
 

Caleb not participating doesn’t matter. He’s a physical blue chip. 

I keep going back to him not doing poo at the combine. 
 

The super processor narrative was in full force, and he wasn’t our pick yet so there was no reason to be concerned then…but that’s always a red flag to me. 

1 hour ago, strato said:

Brooks for sure is no J Stew and that is what we are lacking still, a guy that will move a pile enough to get that tough yard. But if he can hold onto the ball, hit the holes they give him it should work okay and if he can add a receiving threat into the equation, that could be a really good thing. 

 

I think Chubba can move the pile, but I’m not saying he’s J Stew level. 
 

I’m a Stew truther who thought he should have been 1 and Deangelo 2 the whole time. 
 

Perhaps injury is the only reason he wasn’t. Dude was different and gifted. 

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

pretty sure we have heard similar stuff said about Shi Smith and some other guys since 89 has been retired. 

IMO, it's never the greats the really do well in those roles.   

“If a man wants nothing, I can give him nothing.”

Steve may give lots of help, but it’s still on who’s receiving the help. 
 

NFL is hard. Not everyone makes it. 
 

Mingo working with Steve at least shows there is effort there. Better than nothing. 

It’s funny: if you talk about Bryce like this on Reddit, they treat you like you are saying the assassination attempt on Trump actually happened. 

22 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I was a big Chuba hater year 1.  Seemed like he had no balance.  He'd hit a seemingly clean hole and fall over.  He's still lacking in the pass game, as both a blocker and receiver.  However he's worked very hard to improve and he's a pretty solid ball carrier now.  I'm not surprised to see him staying late.  Hopefully Tremble blossoms this year.  I had big hopes for him out of college.

The man had dropsies and has busted his ass with reps to fix it. 
 

That alone is enough to love the guy, but as you mentioned, it’s not the only part of his game that has grown. 
 

Rhule’s wife drafted a guy who is the epitome of keep pounding. 

There is a reason why this wasn’t a topic of discussion with Beuerlein, Weinke, Delhomme, Cam, hell even Matt Moore, Darnold, Baker, etc. 

Do people think this topic is attached to Bryce for no reason?

9 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Wrong. 

I was curious how the experts define deep passes.   The general consensus is anything that travels more than 20 yards in the air past the line of scrimmage.   

I found one resource to quote.  There are endless others. 

Instead of making assumptions, why don't you do some damn research. 

People are arguing two different things here. 
 

NO ONE is concerned about Bryce being able to throw 20 yards past the LOS. 
 

People ARE concerned if Bryce can spread a defense, back up coverage, and open the field up. 
 

That’s why this definition isn’t landing effectively. It does not address the concern.

So we can keep arguing a definition that does not speak to the concerns, or better yet, let’s come up with a word that communicates what people here mean when they say “deep ball” incorrectly. 

1 hour ago, csx said:

It speaks to the fact that people don't know the meaning of terms they use.

If 20 is a “deep ball”, then we need another term for 30,40,50 etc.

When people say “deep ball” in conversation, you know they don’t mean 20 yards. 

Most people who are at least in their teens can throw a ball 15-20 yards. 

 

Focusing in on a definition defining “deep” as 20 yards is missing the entire point.

I don’t have to use the term “deep ball”…fans are concerned about Bryce’s ability to stretch the defense and apply pressure down field. 
 

But you all know this already. 
 

A lot of bad faith conversation on this site. 

If we have to pull out  definitions of “deep throw” to back up Young; then that speaks for itself.

Thanks for posting this. I don’t know how many of you guys also visit the Reddit panther sub, but damn Mingo catches so much poo in there, and Bryce gets every excuse. 
 

Seems like inconsistent logic to me that Bryce gets a pass for the team dysfunction, but Mingo is just a bust.

I saw inconsistent tape from Mingo, but he had plenty of examples of good route running…showing me he can do it.

He was a rookie, and naturally was inconsistent with it. I don’t think we are dealing with Dwayne Jarrett here. I look forward to seeing him develop more consistency…and I hope Bryce can get him the ball if he does. 

1 hour ago, strato said:

Slept on it. It is receiving oriented but... A Sproles or even better, a CMC type. Kamara was a 3rd rounder I think and he was killing people early in his career, and a lot of pass catching and turning upfield. 

I look at where things are offensively right now - with the under 2.7 sec play design and goodn (smart) OL working together maybe you don’t have to worry quite as much about a rookie RB doing his blitz pickups.

The fact is this team is going to have to have skill studs everywhere and that would be a great place to have one. If someone exceptional at that is there I’d probably be in. 

Was about to comment similar. I haven’t had time to dive into prospects as much this year, but a dynamic back should be on the table if available too. 
 

Just add weapons. A quick hitter YAC back would be nice. Maybe Canales has a better plan for Sanders though. 

He’s a bust but Evero has taken guys I’ve never heard of and found a place for them to thrive. 
 

Who knows? Between DJ Johnson, Barno, and Chaisson (maybe draft pick)…he may be able to get production. 
 

Barno is my guy to watch. Even without sacks, he has value with his speed of pursuit down the line. 

On 3/13/2024 at 11:41 PM, PanthersGTI said:

Woods is a dawg adding Fuller means our starters are set.

No one ever mentions Woods and it’s criminal. Hits hard. Great instincts. Can cover. 

Safety is sometimes treated like the O-line…they are most noticed when they screw up. 

Not convinced he would have been as unwatchable as Bryce this season. 
 

I have liked Richards development and I credit him for making himself an NBA player. 
 

But with how poo our centers have been, we absolutely should have kept both Mark and Duren, with Richards as the best 3rd center in basketball. 

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

If you had to guess, what would you honestly give his chances of succeeding with the new coach and system given you already know his challenges we cant overcome like size? I want to be optimistic and he seems like a great guy so I would LOVE to see him succeed but its so hard for me to see it happening with what I saw of him this season combined with his physical limitations.

Depends on the definition of succeeding.

Right now, I think his “succeeding” will be a Teddy, or a little past that in a Garoppalo level of managing the game. A mid tier guy who, with lots of help, won’t keep you from the postseason, but would be the reason you lose in the postseason.

I don’t view that as succeeding personally.

But his ceiling seems to be a guy who starts, but is always rumored to be traded or replaced. 
 

I hope my assessment is wrong. 

27 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Agreed. The spot where we took him can’t be changed. Hopefully he can develop into our QB. If not we will just have to try to draft one again.

As negative (or doubtful) as I feel toward him, I also want him to succeed too. He seems like a good kid, and I (of course) want our Panthers to be competitive every Sunday. 

Your attitude is the sensible one. Can’t change the past. Hope for the best present. Make a change in the future if necessary. 

22 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Agreed. The hope is that Young can become a Burrow-Lite with the right cast around him. Burrow started off with Higgins, Boyd, and Mixon. Of course Chase made him next level. 

The issue is you don’t want the number one pick to be “anyone”-lite.

Could be the case that TMJ was just unlucky to be drafted by this offensive train wreck of a franchise. Best offense was with Teddy. That says a lot. 
 

A ton of reps were wasted with “Chosen” too. 
 

Maybe he’s also a guy who relies on his physical ability, and that doesn’t work often at this level. I’m just assuming though. We don’t know how hard he works or not. 
 

I’m never a fan of cutting high ceiling players like him during their rookie deal, unless they are a locker room cancer of some kind. 
 

I’d just let his contract run out, and see what Canales thinks of him and if he can get anything out of him. 
 

Either way…outside of Moose and Colberts rookie year…2nd round WR’s have been ridiculously pathetic for us. 
 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Lol

 

@poundaway

Someone said Brady didn’t have a strong arm TOO. But Brady could throw that deep ball high with arc. Perfect deep balls. 

2 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Competent people from successful organizations? What is this madness?

Weren’t we told no one would want to come here because of Tepper? 
 

The truth seems to be that a job in the NFL is a job in the NFL.

It’s a damn shame how often players become the villain when their cheap rookie deal runs out and they want to cash in on their hard work. 
 

The salary cap is good for parody, but it also causes unreasonable anger toward players who need to make as much as they can before their bodies are broken. 
 

Burns is not the cream of the crop, but he is an excellent player.

Words like “average” or “liability” get thrown around because of a trade that didn’t happen (not Burns fault) and because his contract is up and lord forbid if he wants to make as much as he can. 

1 minute ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

they have one of the best LTs of all time, an elite WR, elite TE, best RB in the NFL (courtesy of shitterer). and tons of talent on defense. purdy is easily the weak link here

Purdy made plays all on his own all game. Numerous times he extended plays, made back breaking runs, dropped dimes.

Weak link or not, they lose today if he doesn’t pull poo out of his ass throughout the game.