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13 hours ago, lumbeecheraw75 said:

Pro Bowl is Fan Vote

NFLPA All-Pro (this) is Player Vote

AP All-Pro is Writer Vote

Player vote > Writer vote

Cam’s opinion > Kimberly Martin’s opinion

On 1/10/2024 at 6:07 AM, WarHeel said:

Have we ever drafted a WR in the 2nd that wasn’t JAG or worse?

Xavier Woods is so undertalked about. Love that guy. Never seen a dude get more penalized for perfectly timed hits on receivers. 
 

Tough, plays hard, good instincts: hard hitter that doesn’t compromise too much in coverage. 

People going back and forth on whether this is a good defense or terrible one.

I just say GOOD LUCK evaluating this defense; it was paired with the most unwatchable offense in franchise history. 
 

Brian St. Pierre was more memorable. 

9 hours ago, Panic said:

Instead of whining so much, start looking at the reasons Stroud was setup for so much success.  The main reason for his success is team building, not talent. Both Stroud and Young are both talented, anybody that watches the game can see it. So lets look at Texans team building and start to truly understand why he was able to walk into a good situation. Ladies and Gents let me introduce you to Deshawn Watson. The Texans received the following draft capital in the trade that sent Watson to Cleveland.

2022 1st Rd : G Kenyon Green( Via Trade- with Eagles going from 13 to 15 and also receiving 124, 162 and 166)

2023 1st Rd : DE Will Anderson ( Via Trade up with the Cardinals to Grab Anderson right after getting Stroud) In this trade with Arizona they receive back a 4th Rd which Texans later give to Philly for a 2024 3rd Rd pick)

2024 1st Rd : TBD

2023 3rd Rd : Tank Dell ( Via Trade with the Rams which was 4 spots and in return received a 6th Rd pick, which they trade back into the 7th Rd for in return for 2 7th Rd picks. These 2 7th Rd picks become Brandon Hill , a key Safety for the Texans and Xavier Hutchinson )

2024 5th Rd : TBD

Here is the list of picks the Texans land from the Watson deal

Kenyon Green, John Metchie III, Christian Harris, Dameon Harris, Thomas Booker, Will Anderson, Tank Dell, Brandon Hill, Xavier Hutchinson, 2024 1st Rd Pick ( Browns) and 2023 3rd Rd Pick( Eagles)

The moral of the story is the problem with the Panthers is the Front office, poor drafting and poor GM moves, and a bad job by the owner in terms of hiring practices, team building and schemes run to gain efficiencies in all phases of the game.  Until Tepper is gone or hires a true team president this organization will never compete again. Stop hitting your head against a wall and complaining about young guys that do not have the organizational pieces around them to start to build anything. Young goes to any kind of team with any descent structure and you will see the same results Stroud is enjoying. And if Stroud was in Charlotte he would be doing the same that Young is experiencing today. BET

 

No, Stroud in all likelihood isn't lighting the league on fire if he’s a Panther this season.

But his play wouldn’t leave us wondering if he can make it in the league.

4 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

No. We have one more season minimum to give him a shot with hopefully a competent coaching/offensive staff and some weapons. He’s been terrible, but considering his circumstances and what we gave up, you go all in and give him a shot next year….thats all we can do. I hope he has an offseason dedicated to improving in all areas and that we see an improvement because I can’t take another season like this.

I disagree going all in. What we gave up for him shouldn't matter (although it will).

I don’t know how a coaching staff could feel confident going “all in”. He needs competition in camp, and it should be a real competition. 

35 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I try using stats to prove a point and people are like: STATS LIE!!!!  Stats can lie, but when you pull from sites that crunch the entire NFL, it's not they have an ax to grind versus the Panthers.  The numbers are objective.  But don't tell that to Young supporters.

Well it’s not that they lie, but they only tell part of a bigger story. 
 

That being said, Bryce has been cheeks. All his fault? No. But the delusion in here are the “everyone but Bryce” crowd.

He literally touches the ball every offensive play. 
 

We need a QB competition next camp.

1 hour ago, KatsAzz said:

With a healthy field goal kicker and throwing out the almost TD that was  knocked out of the WR hand at the goal line, the TD called back by The dumb WR Marshal not covering the tackle, the Panthers could have won the game 17-6 or 17-9. My point is that Bryce Young and team  played a decent game, well enough to win except for dumb luck.

It took a busted play with Chark 8+ yards open for Bryce to do anything positive. 

Need a plan B going into next year. I’d prefer if Bryce was plan B though. 

I don’t hate Baker, and I’m glad he has bounced back from this poo show. 
 

I won’t say I’m rooting for him, but when we lose I’ll be happy for him. 
 

He was a good teammate here. 

5 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

 

Got any high school highlights?

Not sure but I want a coach that has the guts to play the best QB on the roster regardless of politics.

I looked at the TV right when Stroud threw that 75 yard dime (60-65 air yards I think), and my first thought was “Bryce could never…”

Just because Dan Morgan worked with Fitterer, doesn’t mean he would be Fitterer again. 
 

I want a clean slate too, but for all we know, Morgan may end up being a good GM; here or elsewhere. 
 

“Internal support” is so vague. Could just be people trying to save their jobs. Could be people who saw Morgan making a lot of sense in team meetings. 
 

Someone mentioned this before, but if Morgan is the type to stand up to Tepper when needed…that’s a requirement if we are going to have any success. Impossible to say if that is true though. I’d be shocked if a strong GM is hired. 

In all seriousness…probably just time. 
 

Only 17 games per year with a long wait between the (hope filled) draft and week 1.

Some of the stink will be replaced with unjustified optimism.

It won’t happen, but the new staff needs to consider QB’s at each stage of the draft, and they need to evaluate Young independent of his draft day. 
 

If Corral played all year like this, no one would be comfortable running that back. 
 

This (on paper) is a talented QB class, and there will be value outside of the 1st. Guys who can make all the throws too. 

1 minute ago, BY9Franchise said:

Imagine hating your team so much you want the #1 pick to fail with the amount they gave up, must suck they must realize they are stuck with him either way right?

The ceiling seems so low it would help the franchise if he fails harder, faster, and completely. 
 

No one hates the panthers here. We hate the team sucking. 

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

People are so obsessed with his physical talent that they can't realize he is never going to be good

Unfortunately people are obsessed with Youngs college highlights and big brain, that they can’t realize he’s a 3rd day talent. 

If Bryce was a 5th rounder, no one would want to run it back with him. 
 

He will show that 1st round QB’s having longer careers isn’t only about talent. He will be QB1 next year off draft status alone. 
 

4 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

But I'm told this defense is amazing & is among the championship level units. (If you ignore some key defensive statistics)

You aren’t being told this. They are a decent unit though, and haven’t been why this team has sucked the past 5 years. 

On 12/25/2023 at 8:17 AM, WarHeel said:

I’ve seen more Bryce skeptics than haters. No one I’ve seen came into the season wishing for him to be a loser.
 

He had a great game but one game doesn’t undo the rest of the season. We will need to see more of this version of Bryce. 

It’s easier to tear down a strawman (“haters”)

22 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

It was ruled a catch on the field… he had control and was down in bounds and the ball only popped out during contact after he was out of bounds.  That’s a hard one to over turn.  If they had called it a non catch in the field I think that would have stood as well.  Wasn’t conclusive either way on review so it stands. 

I’ll be honest…I don’t even know the rule anymore. 
 

Like is it over when his butt touches the ground? When a part of him touched out of bounds? At what point is it irrelevant to maintain possession of the ball?

I’m fine with whatever, but when you see multiple plays just like this over the years, and it is called inconsistently…then I just don’t know what the hell to think anymore. 

It’s always the guy retaliating that gets the personal foul.

At one time, that was understandable.

In 2023…it isn’t anymore. You have cameras everywhere. Review the tape, and give the personal fouls penalties to the people who deserve it. 

But that’s if you actually care about personal fouls and player safety.

In the end, if he learns from his mistakes, and eventually we get a winning culture, all will be forgiven. 
 

Because in our culture, if you’re not first, you’re last. 

33 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

not you, but i love how random posters have been so excited about Troy Hill without realizing he's a 32 year old journeyman

Don’t care about age; care about performance. He’s been balling.