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8 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

DJ, Chinn,

Derek Brown (borderline/potentially)

Imma add Horn, cuz I like him. And of course Moton. Riddick is close, and Bouye has a shot. Those last two are stretches, but they are talented.

That's still a lot of paychecks down the line.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

If you look at the last 10 RBs that lead the NFL in touches…..they overwhelming have struggled the following year.  Zeke and McCoy pulled it off.  That’s about it.   Bell an asterisk I guess since he sat out.  Sure looks like a trend though.  We got to dial back on CMCs workload IMO.  

 

I get what you are driving at. We need to dial down CMCs touches. I bet almost every Panther fan would agree. 

However, there are a bunch of RBs that are going strong. Maybe they haven't led the league, but they carry their teams. I mean, Gordon, Gore, Ware, Zeke, Drake off the top of my head.

Running your RB into the ground is bad. You are worried we will overuse CMC. I hope we don't, most hope we don't.

11 hours ago, hepcat said:

Glad he’s staying. He’s an elite player on a team without many of those. 

I would be interested to see what your list would be? I get 7, or 8 depending on my mood.

7 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

IMO, this is the strongest argument for leaving Moton at RT.  In staffing, you only rarely take a high performing employee out of a well run business unit to fortify a struggling one.  In theory or on paper, the move makes sense but actual results almost always disappoint and you end up with suboptimal performance in both business units.  At least in business, this strategy fails more often than it succeeds.

I agree wholeheartedly. I have always operated by the adage, "Aces in their Places".

1 hour ago, bythenbrs said:

I respectfully disagree, in part.  Sean Ryan and Brady will spend 'quality time' with Sam, doing film study.  Lots and lots of it.  And then lots of repetition in training camp.  You can beat muscle memory into most willing athletes who want to get better.  Where the line is between coaching and 'between his ears' is too subjective.  In the end, he has to mentally internalize the film study.  I would say 70/30 on the ratio between coaching, film study, repetition and mental process/self awareness.  Who can say for sure?

I have no doubt that if Sam puts in the work, this staff will help him realize his full potential. And so far, it appears as though he is putting in the work. There are plenty of reasons to believe that Sam can exceed expectations this year, and moving forward.

I mean, being optimistic for the future, sure beats where we were just 2 short years ago. 

33 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

I respectfully disagree, in part.  Sean Ryan and Brady will spend 'quality time' with Sam, doing film study.  Lots and lots of it.  And then lots of repetition in training camp.  You can beat muscle memory into most willing athletes who want to get better.  Where the line is between coaching and 'between his ears' is too subjective.  In the end, he has to mentally internalize the film study.  I would say 70/30 on the ratio between coaching, film study, repetition and mental process/self awareness.  Who can say for sure?

I just don't get it. With all the things this staff is doing to help  make Sam a quality QB. I don't see how you can't be excited over what could be. Talented targets, better Oline, and actual QB coach, an OC who appears to know how to scheme, and a Head Coach with a Philosophy Degree. Teamed with a much improved D, and there is reason for optimism. At least IMO anywho.

I mean, man, if this works, we will be a team to be reckoned with. I tell ya what.

7 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I think weight had something to do with it. 

This is just my own opinion, but CMC looked bulked up last year...not just upper-body but legs too. That extra weight landed on his shoulders when he dove for the first down and pounds on his joints with every step...he's just not that type of runner and I'm not sure the extra weight aids him like we think it would.  

I don't know how much he weighed each year so I have no data to support the theory.  I just remember briefly wondering if the extra weight was really going to help or hurt.  I could be off on all of it.

 

Weight is a subject that has a lot of angles. I think, for a RB, there is a weight that fits. Too much, and it can mess up your smoothness (For lack of a better word.) Too little weight, and you lose power.

It's the Goldilocks theory. Too much? Doesn't work. Too little? Doesn't work. Just right? Works.

Now, with all that said. I have no clue, nor scientific research to base this off. It is just how it worked for me. But, that was a long time ago. When weights were not as prevalent as they are today. Hellz, my High School did not even have a weight room. lol

2 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I agree.  It's more a matter of degree.  If we were playoff bound, CMC could be 85-90% and he and we would be pushing him to play.  But by mid season when CMC came back and got hurt again, we probably said, make sure CMC is 100% before he plays again, telling CMC, "hey take it easy, you've already been hurt twice."

We might have behaved differently if we were playoff bound.

Its all conjecture.

 

As to the tank. I don't think we tried to lose games, we just had a knack of not winning. I believe Teddy had a major role in that.

CMC thing? I think not letting him play had more to do with getting him 100% healthy before he hit the field again. He just never got to that point. Hence, he didn't play. 

9 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

 

 

There has been talk on podcasts of a soft-tank.

That CMC's injuries weren't necessarily as bad as we reported, but we knew we weren't going to compete last year, so we spelled him to save wear and tear for this year.

 

Part of me thinks this is a strong possibility. I don't remember ever seeing CMC in a sling. Coinky dinky? Who knows.

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

Its possible but if we were tanking we probably should have tanked that Washington game. I really think its probably they were not willing to push a player for nothing or allow a player to push himself for future injuries.

That WFT game was a mess. It came down to who could actually football. And unfortunately, they were just better at being bad than we were. lol

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

I mean CMC has been pretty healthy. So thats really not an issue in my mind but I think picking up Chuba will definitely help with the wear and tear of the season.

I think this is high on most folks lists. Keeping CMC healthy is a must. And Chubba has a real shot at doing just that. The kid can run, catch, and is a pretty good blocker. I do expect him to get touches, the more the merrier if you ask me.

As to Slye. If all the work he is putting in this off-season works? Then yes.

For all the rest. This staff is heavy into analytics. Stay with the science, and everything should work out fine.

Just now, SBBlue said:

We (and that includes me) are all worried about the oline without even knowing who is where.

I bet we're concerned about something else come mid season.

I guess I am not as concerned about the Oline as most folks. We were middle of the pack last year, and we should be even better this year.

Paradis, Miller, and Moton have the right side locked down. Put BChris at LG, and that is a heckofa start.

Throw everyone else at LT. Add in Tremble, and we should be able to compete.

Easy Peasy.

6 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Yup.

If ever a reclaim project should work, its this one.

"Change of Scenery" is a cliche', because it's true. It happens quite often. But man, there are quite a few Huddlers who are absolutely convinced that Sam is going to fail.

He is stepping into a situation that is absolutely taylor made for him. Talent at the skill positions. OC with the ability to scheme to Sam's strengths. A Coach who is perfect for this process. The only negative for Sam's success is the Oline. If they can be adequate, or even better, Sam may just show out.

With Training Camp just 2 weeks away. It is the perfect time to be excited for the year to come. Football is in the air. That is defiantly something to smile about.

2 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

Hilarious scenario: We lose to the Jets and Darnold looks bad. The "Fire Rhule" threads sprout. All the negative Nancies start saying "I told you so!" 

Then Darnold pulls a reverse Weinke and we go 16-1.

Also, "Reverse Weinke" needs to be a gymnastics move.

"I think he is going to attempt the Reverse Weinke"  

"That's a bold move Cotton, I hope it works for him."

Yup, works for me. lol
 

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We have an influx of non-fans every season/off season. No different than any other year.

Most don't stick around, some do. Some can be cured, that one is basically herpes.

The movers didn't bother you the other day delivering my couch into your head? There is a whole lot of room up here. I may get a bigger tv, and maybe a recliner. Oh, oh, oh and a mini fridge.

Just admit it. You love me. You must, cuz you talk about me all the time. I mean, C'mon man. You let me live rent free in your head as it is. lol @  you. Now go away, or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time.

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I believe youre a real panther fan, just look at your avatar! 

Yupperz, just a Panther fan who comes here to converse with others about our favorite team.

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

I feel betrayed.......but outside having some fun, I dont want my comments to start/re-start silly e-drama....

The difference being. My response was just a post. 

10 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Youre on the outs with both of them? Dang we need to remember first and foremost, we are die-hard panther fans! 

It is just a saying. I was in the middle. So voila. No ulterior motive involved.

11 minutes ago, Basbear said:

@stbugs @iamhubby1 @kungfoodude Gantt stated what I said weeks ago, a panther employee said Moton is not on Ram's level. The difference form elite RT and next level(where Moton is) is one of the biggest, about 6-12 million. 

A rose between two thorns. lol

1 hour ago, mccjeff said:

I fell like a reverse Weinke is not something I want to do a search on.

Weinke won his first start, then went winless the rest of the year. 1-15 baby.

4 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Just sticking up for our man Moton.

When folks start lumping Taylor in with that wing-ding L. Bell something's gotta give...

Part of me wants to say, you go boy. Stick up for our guys.

But part of me wants to say. Is there really such a thing as a good excuse to disparage someone?

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I get it. You try to take the high road and keep things civil but it is tough when others constantly take low blows and it is tolerated on this board with no repercussions. I guess I have always heard we teach folks how to treat us.

Thankfully, there are still a bunch of Huddlerz who still like to discuss football. So at least we haven't sunk out of sight. Yet. But we are on life support at the moment.

And we do have a couple really good Trolls hanging around. They can be extremely entertaining. Folks trying their dammdest to talk sense into a Troll is priceless.

I will say, man, I hope we start fast this year. Cuz if we start the year out badly. This place may be toxic.

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Most of the time making comments like that tells you more about the person making the comments than it does about who they are made about.

I truly do try to only respond to post that are actual football related. I hate getting sucked into those throwing shade tirades. It is too damm draining. 

But it is getting more, and more difficult to ignore those. Mainly because there are just so many of them. Then you get sucked in, and then you feel like an idiot for falling for it again. lol It's a vicious cycle.

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Other than Walter Jones I can't remember a player actually playing 3 times on a franchise tag. Multiple folks have been tagged twice but the large majority were signed long term before the second tag took effect. It is used as leverage to get a long term deal. Teams and players don't expect to actually play multiple times with the tag. Usually because the cost gets prohibitive.  The cost next year will be 120% of the average of the top five guys salaries at offensive tackle or 120% of his prior salary whichever is larger.  So the amount may be greater than simply taking 120% of his salary this year or adding 144% to what he is projected to make next year if other guys get big contracts when the cap goes way up next year.

I did start by saying that my numbers were shaky, and they would be approximations. I was just hoping to be close.

But yeah, I want that long term deal done. I don't want our first attempt at keeping a star player to go down the tubes. 

I also agree that if we give Moton a 4 or 5 year deal. Not matter how much it is, by the time the deal is done, it will not look nearly as bad. So I say go for it.

2 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

 How'd that work out for him?  L. Bell is an unstable idiot -- Moton is not.  To project how Moton is going to behave based on an what moron like Bell stupidly did is a complete joke.

Wow, that's an awful lot of hate for a person you have probably never met, or talked to, or have any idea what is actually going on in his head.

Interwebz warrioring at it's finest. I tell ya what.