*FreeFua*

34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He looks smaller.  I was told a true nfl weight program would help him gain size

Yeah this was my only glimmer of hope. That he’d come back looking like he gained just a few pounds. Definitely didn’t gain anything 

If the Panthers were tanking I could easily get behind this but they’re clearly not 

11 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

This. If Marshall can be used in this new offense and get 3-400 yards too and 2-3 TDs we could be cooking.  I’m being an optimist until we start out 0-2.

The same Marshall the Panthers told to go seek a trade and no one wanted?

lol at old and underperformed 

107 catches, 1183 yards and 8 touchdowns 

Yeah we don’t need someone like that at all

2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Mina goes Ladd and Pearsall, separation a prority

Ladd and Pearsall would be my ideal draft

WR 

C

TE

In that order but C is a massive need. 

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

• Donnelly says this can be looked at as a win now move since Cloweney has been in the "mercenary phase" of his career the last couple years.
• He says the Panthers might be feeling they are closer to competing than most think and plays a clip of DC saying they can compete for the division next season.
• Donnelly doesn't think the Panthers are as close as Morgan and Co seem to believe.
• Wishes the contract was for a little less

It certainly seems like they feel as if they can win now. Similar to what happened in Miami…

Tua had a coach who didn’t believe in him. So they went out and got someone who did. Pretty sure McDaniels said things we’ve heard Canales say about finding what Bryce does best and do that

If we sign Gilmore then on paper this defense looks better than it did last year. Losing Luvu hurts but Shaq’s strengths are similar to Luvu’s and we added Jewell. 

Obviously we beefed up the IOL. I assume we’ll go C in round 2 if one of the big 3 fall. Diontae is better than anyone we had at wide out last year. 

So if they felt they could win last year I’m not sure how they wouldn’t feel that way this year at this point.

This is a really good get

Nah he ain’t no Justin Houston Jr

I really hope they double dip at WR in the 2nd 

1 hour ago, csx said:

Who cares about either 

Probably us considering this organization has no idea how to support a QB and we’ll be cycling through them every few years 

34 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

I do think NIL and highly paid players is eventually going to bring what Deion is claiming to future drafts.  The Eli thing starting up.  I think to an extent you see Caleb Williams baby stepping some new behavior with not disclosing medicals, etc. 

On 11/13/2023 at 6:45 AM, *FreeFua* said:

2026. There is no chance in hell the Manning family lets Arch play a down for David Tepper

Same thing will happen in 2025 with Deion and Shadeur

Tepper has built one hell of a reputation in such a short amount of time

On 11/12/2023 at 6:12 PM, *FreeFua* said:

Depending on your thoughts on Shadeur it doesn’t look to be a good class

I can’t wait for Deion to tell Tepper to kick rocks and pull an Eli situation with Shadeur 

13 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

I'm glad the decision-makers don't share your thought process. Tampa was supposed to suck last year, too. I guess they should have just accepted that projection. 

Well lucky for you the Panthers have shared your thought process for some time now and it’s exactly why were in this mess

Really smart

14 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Nothing wrong with trying to win. The defense - and offense - do not look as inept as they originally did. One-year contracts are perfect for teams not wanting to cripple future cap situations. 

The Panthers aren’t winning this year though. For one damn season they need to accept that and quit sacrificing future cap

one year deals absolutely effect future cap. For one, you roll over what you don’t use. Two, a lot of these one year deals now include void years (dead money). DJ Chark’s dumb contract counts for 3.1 million in dead money this year 

Titans going “all in” with Will Levis…

It would make no sense for the Panthers to be signing some of these guys to 1 year contracts this year 

19 minutes ago, Camp Fodder said:

Can he play Edge?

He can hardly play safety 

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I try to stay optimistic, But Moose was the last time we found WR value in the second round.  Well, its going to happen, this would be the year.  I still think these WRs are a bit hyped.   The #33 pick in this draft should be comparable to a late first rounder in other drafts because there are so many players who would qualify.  I read somewhere that this draft had 23-24 first round talents.

To put that in perspective, former Giants GM Jerry Reese estimated the average is 15.  It can range as high as 20.  He defines a first round talent as any player who would appear in the first round on every team's board.  That is a pretty good measure, if we only knew their boards. 

Somebody is going to drop.  That means we can get a first round talent (with so many needs, we should have a plan for each scenario) or we would have about 18 hours to listen to offers--maybe our best option--unless that player with a true first round talent at WR or Edge falls.

But yes, you speak the truth my friend.

Question…

Since we agree that money is going to need to be spent on offense to surround Bryce in order for him/this team to be successful…

What do you do with Derrick Brown?

Are you spending 100 million on ONE player on defense?

8 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

We got market value because they only looked at it as the numbers standpoint from the draft chart, but half those picks were never going to pan out, and the best pick was at the end of the 2nd round 

Never should have traded CMC for anything less than a 1st, he’s the best weapon in football.  Mid to late round draft picks isn’t going to replace that, we needed 1 impact player in return if we were going to trade him at all (which we shouldn’t have).

Agreed. This whole “equivalent to a 1st” compensation is some of the dumbest sh!t I’ve heard them try to sell us

My problem is that they aren’t looking ahead during any deal they’re making. When they were trading CMC they knew the Baker/Darnold thing wasn’t the answer. They knew they’d be looking to trade up for a QB/the scouting of Bryce, etc was already beginning with a trade up in mind. 

The only thing that came from that trade was SF’s 2nd so we could keep our 2nd where’d we’d ultimately draft a 3rd round (at best) player in Mingo. 

Now Dan Morgan did the exact same thing with Burns. I was hopeful he had another deal in mind when he accepted a 2nd and two 5th’s but that’s clearly not the case. Chances of this group hitting on pick 39 are slim. By “hit” I mean an average player. The two 5th rounders are throw away picks. I’m sure they use them to trade up in round 4 or some crap on a player they’ll cut 2 years from now.

Top to bottom this organization is full of morons and the last however many years of misery us fans have suffered through is all the proof you need

On 3/18/2024 at 6:15 AM, MHS831 said:

I am not going to say it again on here; we need to use Bryce's assets and not try to fit him into a system.  We need a system designed for him.  Bringing in the 2 guards is a start.  HOWEVER...

To me, the successful conversion of Bryce Young comes with a huge price tag.  If we turn it around and Bryce plays well because we have an offensive line that makes $90m, he is going to want $50m and the WRs will demand another $50m.  Not even mentioning RBs and TEs, but we will need $200m just for the offense at this rate.   I see this process as a long term bust--if it works, you are screwed because it requires a stud OL and stud WRs.  OTC Right now, before all free agents and draft picks are signed and a QB on a rookie deal posts the following: 

• Offense: $133,819,164
• Defense: $62,906,915
• Special: $6,431,168

If Bryce was a veteran on a second contract, you could add $40m to this figure.  We have no #1 WR and no stud TE. As you can see, the Offensive budget needs to be around $130m.  We are over that now--with QB on a rookie contract.

The only way to do this is by having 3 OL on a rookie contract at all times, and maybe only 2 WRs on second contracts. 

I agree about getting Bryce in a system that fits him. That much is obvious. I’m not sure Canales is that guy. NFL Network was showing an old Zona game last night and Kingsbury had Kyler moving around a lot, it was refreshing to see. Canales/Baker seemed to benefit A LOT from Mike Evans last year. We don’t have that guy where defenses rotate for. It’s vital we get a WR1 now imo but it’s not happening. 
 

But to the actual point of your post with the money allocation. The two 2nd rounders we have and next years 1st rounder… HAVE to be hits. Or this entire thing is toast. Next years WR class is nice and there’s a couple big time tackles that should available at our pick (I’m assuming top 10). 

With that in mind. I’m not opposed to drafting a center at 33 or 39 because we’re going to need guys on rookie deals. 

Ultimately so much has to go right that there’s little to no chance this works. This organization can’t draft worth sh!t and they kept their scouting department intact. When you move up to get your QB your window immediately starts due to the salary cap. Having to do a complete tear down AFTER year 1 leaves us AT BEST a 1-2 year window if they make zero further mistakes (which obviously isn’t happening).

I’m a big fan of Pearsall

This guy blows 

Niners wanted pick 17 and Zay Jones for Brandon Aiyuk

I’d give them Thielen and that “equivalent of a 1st” BS we keep trading all of our guys for in a heartbeat 

They could’ve easily sold a trade for Fields with his ability to run. Bring him in on short yardage plays. We don’t have that with Young or Dalton and it’s a valuable thing.