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10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am fine bringing in Trey Lance.

I am not fine bringing in Trey Lance with the expectation that he starts.

Bring him in as a backup or bring him in to compete. Those scenarios are fine.

I just meant allow legitimate competition in camp. If there's going to be no legitimate competition, don't even bother wasting his time or anyone else's. 

Trey Lance or Jack Plummer? Seriously. Is this even a question? If he has a legitimate chance at the starting job, bring him in and let him throw. If it's Bryce's with no one else having even a chance baring another "high ankle sprain", let him go somewhere else. 

1 hour ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

This is the part that makes no sense to me.  He's made multiple choices on coaches and reversed course s multiple times. Why not the draft pick. Underperforming asset and all. 

Because drafting cost future assets. We were still paying off those debts this year. 

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Well look let's keep it real.The Tepper's let Matt Rhule basically do whatever the hell he wanted including micromanaging this franchise down to the smallest of details. Unfortunately the likely answer is there are multiple truths at play here. The Tepper's are high key meddlers that have and still do involve themselves in day to day operations to the detriment of the franchise. And Dan Morgan the rest of the FO and Dave Canales are willing participants who are also unfortunately part of the problem. We can't keep absolving people for their roles and expect to magically turnaround a near decade long winning season drought. We as fans do not owe anyone anything for being a sycophant. Because at the end of the day any jackass can be one.

Im not absolving him of anything. He's a willing participant because he took the job. Im just saying Tepper is making the decisions surrounding Bryce and has been for 3 years. I also believe it's why he's GM. Any other legitimate candidate told him to F off. 

He's made it clear he walks through the building making his opinion well known, which is to say, do what I say or your job may very well be on the line. I think he exerts his influence where and when he wants. Bryce was his draft choice and he is not going to admit he's wrong until there is no other option. 

Basically, when the entire town is in ashes he will start screaming fire. 

21 minutes ago, frankw said:

I have no idea why some of you are acting as if the Tepper's are holding Dan Morgan's family hostage and forcing him to maintain the worst QB room in the league.

Because it's the only thing that makes any sense at all. Any GM, even a terrible one could see Dalton was washed last year, so he's signed to a 2 year deal this offseason. Plummer wasn't practice squad worthy week 1 last year, then we bring him back this year. No trade action at all near the deadline. For some reason Bryce is being protected beyond all logic. The only thing that makes any sense at all is there is a directive coming from the top and the very top is David Tepper. 

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Canales getting outcoached by two new HC's is a sign, fellas.

Canales getting out coached by the Huddle. 

Bryce plays very different when all is already lost. Arizona game, down by 3 scores, it doesnt matter whay he does. When it did matter on that last drive. We saw what happened. He poo the bed.

Last season, we're already out of the playoffs, it doesn't matter what he does because the overall result is already decided. It's easy to play backyard ball like the game doesnt matter when the game really doesnt matter. 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

I think Bryce is here because of Morgan and Tepper. Morgan took the job under the condition that Bryce was the guy. 

If than was the genius that he's been made out to be after this offseason, then nothing with Bryce, Dalton and Plummer makes any sense unless it was being directed from elsewhere. Tepper has also made it known publicly that he was throught the building giving his opinion vocally even though he's backed out of day to day operations, which is another way of saying, listen to what I'm saying or else. 

Dalton was washed after last year. In no world did it make any sense to give him a 1 year contract, much less a 2 year. And Plummer, he was so bad last year he didn't belong anywhere near a football field again but we brought him back one more time. Then we bring in Hooker and White and let the trade deadline go by with QB play that is not only abysmal, but that actually below backup level in many statistical categories. 

The only logical conclusion I can draw is Bryce was protected this season from any competition at all and Dalton was kept to be backup because he could never be a threat based on last year's play, which was confirmed by this year's play. 

Everything that has been done from the trade, drafting Bryce, Mingo, Brooks, Sanders, Lewis, Corbitt, Hunt, Moton extension, Mitchell, Etienne, XL, TMac, all of it, has been to reinforce, double, triple, quadruple down on a guy who's first year performance, if judged in a vacuum, would have gotten him cut from most NFL squads based on mechanics alone. 

Frank saw it and it's why he was fired. He didn't want him and didn't even try to build a game plan around him. Canales can't build a game plan around him. Defenses stack 8 or 9 in the box and dare him to throw and Sunday is what we got. 

This is Tepper's ego in full force. It's the only true explanation for what we've seen the past 3 years. This is a man who refuses to admit he was wrong. 

11 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He is just bad. No amount of wishing and hoping is gonna fix it.

Nothing we can do about it, man. Just another on a crazy pile of terrible WR's this franchise has drafted.

He hasn't looked good thats for damn sure, then he does things that make you wonder if he could be. He strikes me as the kind of guy that needs to enjoy the game to even have potential and I dont see how you can do that with Bryce as your quarterback. 

35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Fair but everything in this thread is an opinion aside from that he is a bust.

That's a fact.

True. But ive also worked with people that ruin every bit of enjoyment at a job because they suck so bad at what they do. 

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he responds to anything because I don't think he cares even remotely about being a successful NFL player.

How do you give a poo when your team owner doesnt give a poo about getting a real QB room, your GM doesnt give a poo about your QB room, your coach is rah rah feel good aww shucks you fellas sure tried hard. 

12 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

You really have to ask yourself why they cut both of them and left themselves down to the two pieces of poo we currently have rostered at QB in the first place?  It is asinine.  Absolutely ridiculous.  My theory is that either or both Hooker and White make Bryce feel less secure with his role, so they chose to eliminate the distractions.  No doubt in my mind, White is a better NFL QB than Bryce - he has the tape to prove it.  Hooker is still an unknown for the most part, but I know without a doubt he has better presence and physical tools than Bryce.

Benching Bryce for a PS QB that we cut last week will probably make Tepper smash the picture of Brady sitting on his desk. 

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

we must give up 48 picks and DJ Moore for Bryce.....the bright side is Bryce will save us from having to spend and invest a lot into the O and it can't all be put into the rest of the team.  Panthers proceed to spend all their picks on drafting skill talent to make Bryce not look bad and have to go out and spent more money on the OL than anyone else in the NFL LOL. 

Total con job by Fitterer.    

He tried to smash a square peg into a round hole and all it left us was splinters

14 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

 

Id really like to know who they are talking about. 

I think it also has to be factored in how much else has been spent to support him. It's not just the picks to get him, but an obscene amount just to try and build an offense to see if he's even serviceable as a starter. We've spent 3 years worth of picks and resources for results that would have been cut in training camp if he hadn't been an overall number 1. 

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

He didn’t obtain clearance from the leadership council to criticize Bryce.

Oversight in retrospect, tbh

Council is convening at 1:30 today. Follow up presser at 3pm followed by team BBQ at 4. 

Funny that it's a play he has to extend and make a highlight one handed catch as proof he'snot doing enough. Should he have laid out for it? Yeah. But the one thing we don't see is him, or any other receiver for that matter, having balls consistently hit them in the hands in stride where they have a chance to catch and run. It's always some weird acrobatic grab or an immediate hit as soon as they snag it. 

After this week do they bring back Mike White? Who cares about who we have to cut at this point. Our offense couldn't beat last years defense right now with the way Bryce is playing. 

Maybe we need to convene the leadership council. 

59 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

If Jameis was our QB this year for 17 games, T-Mac would have won OROY, there is no question in my mind about that.

Probably could insert 10 or 15 different names we could have picked up this offseason and still say the same thing. 

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I don't think the QB room was Morgan's call.

So here's my thing. Either the QB room was his call in which case, I don't trust him to pick toilet paper for a campground bathroom, or Tepper didn't step back and is indeed dictating the moves of this organization like many of us have been saying all along. 

I don't think he's stepped back at all and has doubled and even tripled down on proving his decision to draft Bryce was the correct one. My suspicion is even if Bryce is not extended or his 5th year signed, Tepper will once again mortgage the farm to trade up and prove his superiority again and draft his guy. 

And if what I suspect is correct, and a lowly fan like myself sees it, anyone with any actual football experience is going to see it too and stay the hell away from this franchise. 

I don't know why Roger Goodell and the rest of the owners punished the fans by selling the franchise to Tepper. Wasn't Super Bowl 50 and watching Cam get speared over and over to the head a big enough fug you? 

I know people are out on Bryce and questioning Canales, but where is the angst towards Morgan? This is his fault. Improving the QB room is his job and the best we could do was Bryce Young and a 2 year deal for the ghost of Andy Dalton's arm. Everyone is praising his draft and FA but it's another year wasted full of disappointment by what a few of us predicted. I don't care how good the rest of his drafting skills are, if this is what he considers to be an NFL starting caliber QB and a backup caliber QB with no need to even try for improvement, we need another GM immediately. 

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How in the hell can you not bench him...........oh wait I know

He can't reach it? 

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

Nothing you can do really.  And we can thank Dan Morgan for that. 

Bryce, Dan Morgan, Jim Caldwell, Dom Capers, all need to leave Carolina. 

Personally, I think the smart play is to just get rid of Canales too.  He isn’t a good OC.   Average.  He won’t bring in someone to be our OC.  You need a gambling playmaker in that sort of O.  Which won’t make it good for a rookie unless you get someone that got some special magic to them. 

This is David Tepper. And if Dan Morgan ever wants to have another job after he's fired in Carolina he's going to have to say it, NDA or not.