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1 hour ago, TD alt said:

I just don't get the Moton thing. He played in 16 games last season (and the playoff game). He's had worse seasons from that perspective. His health hasn't really been an issue, and his actual play is still solid. Why are you throwing dirt on him? Some tackles play well into their thirties. 

He's mentioned knee pain but dismissed it as no big deal. Knee pain is always a deal of some sort and it doesn't get better when you're heavy. It's just one of those things that you have to be concerned about. If we have a decent backup plan, a drafted tackle in development, that's a good plan. Keep any future contracts short and priced accordingly. 

6 hours ago, frankw said:

 

Now as for XL. The guy has not been committed to his craft. I think anyone with eyes on the situation can and would recognize that. However the warning signs were there. One season of legit production raw prospect that we knew would take time to develop etc. But Morgan and Bryce Young's own father were very high on him. I think in some capacity the reality of our limitation at QB is entering into the equation. Even TMac got a lot of flak over the course of his rookie season for not being able to haul in all of Bryce's passes. At the end of the day our fourth year QB also needs to do his part to maximize the talent we have available.

I don't get why everyone is busting balls on XL for not working on his craft but no one is busting balls on Bryce for refusing to work on his atrocious footwork. It could easily be said that XL is following the example set by his quarterback/captain. 

We need a tackle but we need to take one that we think can be what we need after a year of development. If that player isn't available at a particular early draft spot, don't reach. Take the stronger positional value instead. We have multiple needs across this team.

I think we could address the position in the draft but only if we address it wisely. Don't take one just to take one. If we don't take a tackle, at least take a center. We don't need to leave the draft with at least 1 offensive lineman. I'd prefer 2. Starting caliber center and a tackle that can at least be a RT, and possibly a left. We need to get this offensive line back to a more even place of rookie contracts with veteran contracts to get the cap spending under control. 

25 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I mean, I generally agree with your point about improving the QB, but where I seem to differ is the suggestion that adding playmakers, first round or not, doesn't improve the team. At some point, you have to say that if we drop a real QB in there, much like the Rams did Stafford, then we're going places. The supporting cast is just as important as the QB at the end of the day. We aren't entrenched yet, we're still building and developing. We don't have the luxury to skip over a receiver who is the BPA at this point (and I'm not even saying that a receiver will be the BPA). 

I'm not saying adding playmakers is a bad thing and it does make sense in many respects. However, to say we need improvement from our playmakers and completely ignore the central playmaker is crazy. We don't know the level of playmakers we have because we don't have a QB capable of those types of play on a regular basis. 

A lot of people love to bash on XL for needing to work on his game because he's not putting in the effort to get better. He's following the example set by his QB that refuses to work on his atrocious footwork. We crucify one and ignore the other. It doesn't make sense. 

If we're going to be serious about adding weapons then let's be serious. Signing Kenny Pickett to back up Bryce doesn't signify we are committed to improving the offense. That move, and this idea Bryce needs more weapons, shows we aren't actually serious. You can't committ to a QB that has been one of the worst in the NFL the past 3 years and then claim you're serious about improving the offense. 

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Hell ya, give me one of those bad teams’ high 2nd rounder along with their 2027 1st and I’d walk away from 19 with a huge smile on my face.

I'd take that and run. We could still get an immediate contributor, and position ourselves for one of many blue chips for next year's draft. Being positioned for our next QB (if we move on from Bryce) edge, tackle or WR would just be icing on the cake. 

27 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

I didn't defend anyone. You're projecting. I want the team to be better. If that means drafting another offensive weapon, then so be it. But to suggest we would be good to great on offense if Bryce were replaced is a stretch. We have holes, issues and question marks all over the offensive roster. 

So to suggest that our offensive weapons might not be as horrible as being claimed if we were to have Josh Allen throwing to them instead of Bryce is a stretch? Maybe they would be better, maybe not. But I'm not going to keep saying we need more weapons and more this and more that with a QB that struggles to get 200 yards passing in a game. 

8 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Oh, now we are "top half?" Keep moving the goal posts. No we aren't. We don't have a surefire WR2, nor do we have a TE that we can count on to consistently make big plays. Our receiving corps is somewhat bland to be honest. It does not have enough juice. Add another playmaker, then we'll likely be top half. Our receiving corps ranked somewhere between 20 and 25 in the league depending upon who you look at. No one has us in the top half based upon last season.

You're right, our receiving corp was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league. Who was throwing to them? A bottom 3rd QB. 

If the team wants to get better it has to be serious about the QB position. We aren't and no amount of adding weapons is going to solve the fact Bryce is a bottom tier QB or that the most serious camp competition he has ever faced was Andy Dalton. 

If Carolina fans were watching any other franchise entrench themselves so vehemently around this level of QB production, we'd be laughing like he'll and waiting for our chance to play them twice a year. 

2 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

So because Cam elevated players around him, he didn't deserve more help, and because you feel Bryce doesn't elevate players around him, he also doesn't deserve more help. Got it. Sink or swim as a QB in Carolina is a great message to send out to the league and potential future players.

You're missing the point. Great players elevate those around them. Bryce needs all of this elevation just to not be one of the worst QBs in the league. We may actually have legit WRs and pieces to go around Bryce and he's not able to get the job done week in and week out. 

You're so quick to blame all the other offensive pieces but are willing to defend a QB that has never played back to back franchise QB football games in 3 seasons. There's a reason we have had Dalton and now KP as backups. Neither one are capable of challenging a QB that struggled to reach 3k yards passing in his best season. 

This offense might look very different with a mid tier QB. Unfortunately our owner and FO are to scared to even allow that possibility. 

1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

Trevon Moehrig, Turk Wharton, Bobby Brown, Jaelen Phillips, Devin Lloyd, Nic Scourton

Giving him 6 starters in 2 offseasons that cost boat loads of money or a 2nd round pick... Not exactly handing the man scraps.

The point of the draft is to make the team better. You want to make this about Bryce. It isn't. It's about improving the team. And if anyone can look at our offense and go "we're good", they are lying to themselves. You give quarterbacks weapons. We SCREAMED for YEARS to give Cam some help. But now because we are trying to do it for Bryce, you all are saying we are coddling him because of his "deficiencies". It's a double-standard because you don't like the guy, clearly. But even if he does fail, guess what? The next guy has help too. Win-win.

Cam elevated the players around him. He showed more in his 1st 2 games as a rookie than Bryce has his entire career. At some point, Bryce has to be that guy. Bryce can't have a top 5 oline, 3 top WRs, a Greg Olson TE, top 10 RB and get a 60m AAV salary. 

Bryce seems like a likeable enough guy outside of football. On the field though, he hasn’t put together 2 games of football that show he's anything more than a bottom tier QB. Maybe our receivers are an issue. Or maybe our QBs inability to get them the ball with consistent timing, accuracy and velocity from terrible footwork is part of the problem. One that Bryce refuses to acknowledge or work on. 

23 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If it happens it will be surprising that Morgan continues to neglect the defensive side of the ball.  If it happens its seems like they are desperately trying to convince themselves that Bryce was the correct pick therefor justifying extending.  At least thats where my conspiracy brain immediately goes to whenever I read stuff like this.   I mean for fugs sake how many teams have 3 legit bad ass wr's?   Its most certainly under 5 and thats even stretching it

It shouldn't be surprising considering that part of the conditions of hire for Dave and Dan was that Bryce had to be the guy. No true camp competition year 1 to determine if he was even ready. No camp competition after he was benched. KP, one of the few QBs with worse seasons as a starter. 

Carolina's offensive players are never going to dominate the way Alabama did over their opponents, no matter how much we spend in picks or cap. Everyone is 5* now. Spending another pick on a WR is just indicative of a bigger problem. Dave Tepper is sold 100% hook line and sinker on Bryce and until he fails on a massive scale, he's our guy. 

57 minutes ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Drafting Diego Pavia would be the equivalent of calling a Flea Flicker at the 20 yard line.

Still considered a deep pass... so there's that. 

On 4/3/2026 at 5:46 PM, csx said:

We arent switching. Evero is 3-4 to the core.

Given how 3-4 has been a noticeable characteristic of top defenses recently and we have drafted and signed players fir it  I dont know why anyone would think that's a good idea 

I don't have an issue with 3-4 other than we don't have a true NT. You need a monster in the middle and we haven't had that. Evero likes smaller NTs and you can't eat 2 blockers being undersized for the position. 

6 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

If it can work in Bojack Horseman, it can work for us!

11 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Probably the only guy that plays QB even close to Bryces size.

I don't understand the obsession with having a micro mini QB. 

Should have just got money Mike if they want a tiny guy back there , at least he was resourceful....

Maybe if we draft 5 tiny QBs they can all join together to form one normal size QB

39 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Bortles wasnt good, but I’d take his career 100 times out of 100 over Johnny. Johnny still deserves a bust label (much like Clausen even though he was a second rounder) due to the overhyping of the kipers of the world. lol and this guy too..

It was obvious he was going to be a bust when he walked across the stage at the draft. That was the safest bet in the draft. 

I'm big for drafting an OT but it doesn't have to be a first rounder. It does have to be one that can actually play LT.

Icky's future is uncertain. I'm not a glass half empty kind of guy, I'm a realist. We can't expect Icky to return to pre injury form in a season. We have 2 guys on prove it deals, and an aging Moton on a 2 year deal. If we don't address the issue, next year we could very realistically need a new LT, new ST, new RT if Moton's knee issues get worse.

If things don't go well for us at the tackle position, we're in trouble having to go hunt for good starters in FA, AND we have a potential Bryce extension to cripple the cap or Bryce tanks and we're in search of a QB1 again. 

There's a lot more ways for this to go wrong than to go right for us. As long as we seriously address the position, I'm fine. Bringing in an UDFA and calling it good while we go all in in the draft planning to make a SB run while being paper thin at one of the biggest meat grinder areas on the team, that's just bad planning in my book. 

We should be drafting one OL guy every year. We haven't been investing in the draft. We have to do it, like it or not. Our entire OL can't be FA pickups. 

47 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Our starting oline looks good on paper.  Even that is a bit of a reach given the additions, age and injuries.  Problem is when someone inevitably goes down we are going to relying on some dude named Stone to step in.   The Icky injury and the timing of it really mess up the overall plan for this team.  I like walker but only as a stop gap and hopefully he returns to prior form.  We just are a team with no depth anywhere.  Its kindof wild when you think about it

Relying on a guy that couldn't stay on the Raiders offensive line as our primary backup is beyond scary. 

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I will give him credit he is tough, but at some point he is going to get hurt and miss significant time.  It seems to happen to just about all qbs at some point

I don't even have this view specifically regarding Bryce. It's my overall view in general. Teams rush these rookie QB into service before they're ready, then keep the seasoned vet backup/mentor who isn't much more than a QB coach himself at that point of his career. 

With a few rare exceptions, I think the best course for most would be to be drafted, sit a year behind a vet QB to learn, THEN get handed the reigns to the offense. Unfortunately, the ridiculousness of these QB contracts and the success now pressure these coaches/GMs are under don't lend itself favorably to that scenario. 

11 hours ago, SCMunnerlyn1 said:

Its malpractice imo to not have at least a mid round qb in camp every couple years or so. Idc how good your main guy is. 

Always be developing a #2 with potential to be a #1 in an emergency. I get the reliable vet QB for a few games angle, but if your QB goes down early on, do you want to just toss a season away like Cinci, pull a Patriots/Cassel or lightning in a bottle with Foles and Philly. 

Can't do that with guys like Dalton and Pickett. Bryce sustains major injury, the season is over. I'm a competitive person and I don't see how you can just be comfortable with that potential outcome year in and year out. 

1 hour ago, WUnderhill said:

“The Panthers could rebuild their offensive line around him and left tackle Ikem Ekwonu.“

Says all you need to know.

Yep. We don't even know if Icky will ever play again. Hard to build around a guy that could easily have just had a career ending injury. 

It all depends on what damage was found and how well the surgery takes. I think trust is going to be a huge factor. As someone who's had multiple knee injuries, it takes a while to feel safe doing everything without that splinter of doubt in the back of your mind again. I can't imagine what that would feel like for a NFL players.

20 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

 

 

 

 Proctor feels like a top ten lock. Unlike the recent giant men, this guy can move with the best of them. He does have LT movement for the NFL. 

I even think theres a good chance he's the first OLman pick, no idea why he's got such a negative mock rank. Its terrible how bad people have this wrong. Reminder, it just takes one team one GM one OC one OL coach to pick the guy. I still can not believe the amount of bad press he's getting while being a elite trait prospect. 

Im no lover either.

I'm not an NFL scout obviously, but to me, his side to side footwork looks clunky. Instead of the quick, short step, almost glide like movement that you see from the true elites like Ogdon, it looks like he plants and anchors as he moves with each step. He can be heavy footed. He has the size and mass to do that and it might work for him against bull rushers, but the quick edge guys I think will present a problem. 

Watch game videos of Proctor vs guys like Ogdon, Joe Thomas, Tyron Smith, or Trent Williams, and just watch from the knees down. It's pretty interesting the difference in the way they move their feet. I'm not saying he won't be able to improve it, I just think that could be part of what gives some of that doubt. It does to me.  

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Same. I think NFL speed rushers are gonna eat his lunch. And yeah, pretty much everyone that starts on the OL at Bama is at minimum gonna get a chance to play in the NFL. The overall unit is going to be one of the best on the country at the college level every year. 

I suspect he'll get an opportunity at tackle and end up getting pushed inside to guard. That much weight it's just hard on your knees constantly having to go side to side and plant and leverage. Kind of reminds me of Mekhi Bechton. Huge guy, 360 lbs, knee injuries, and I'm sure his weight played a part in them. Just a risk I wouldn't want to take at 19. 

3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Grab the smartest of the bunch and lock down your o-line for the next decade. Slaughter would be my choice since he has the most experience at the highest level in the position. Schrauth has leadership experience, though, and that sure could be a help. 

 

I honestly wouldn't mind taking them both. We need bodies and depth at the C/G position is certainly something we haven't had in a very long time. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Proctor is gonna be a love/hate prospect and even his lovers will likely admit that the bust factor is high. You gotta want a giant mauler of an OT to love him and even if you want a giant mauler OT you're still concerned if he's going to have the movement skills in space to handle NFL speed rushers. Honestly, I think he's gonna bust.

I don't see the lateral quickness there to handle speed rushers. He could surprise, but I am very suspect of Bama players at certain positions. Top draft classes every year playing against inferior talent. The gap closes too much when they reach the NFL. 

I don't believe in hiring coaches that don't get an interview request from another team but it is what it is.