SmokinwithWilly

It's long term vs short term satisfaction. I'd rather lose the rest of the games this year and be able to draft a difference maker because he's actually available at our pick, than win a couple of games and end up 10-16 and getting another good player, but not game changer. No one remembers the feel good wins a year or 2 from now. They remember success and that's not something we've done with any regularity.

Can't tell if you're serious....

Or it could be that they're letting him get time to learn on the bench like a lot of new QBs need to do. I think it would be fair to say if Byrce had spent his 1st year on the bench instead of being thrust into the starting lineup before he was ready, this season may have been quite different.

I feel like we love projects in the early rounds. It's why we're where we are and other teams are where they are. You can take projects when you already have a well built team. When you have more holes than a block of swiss cheese, you get guys that can plug those spots.

I feel like this is an old bedtime ghost story. A long time ago, on a night much like tonight, the Carolina Panthers drafted Eric Shelton...

But it's not his true rookie season. His true rookie season counted and where it counted most was on his contract. That's a year of rookie salary cap that we can't get back. We're in week 14 of year 2 and are finally seeing good football from Bryce. We should not be going into year 3 asking ourselves if he can be the guy or if this is a flash in the pan type grouping of games. We need to see a full 3rd season of what we've seen the past few games. If he keeps playing like he is, we're probably going to be hearing about an extension somewhere early season 4. Personally, I'd like more than a single complete season of elite level play before we end up having to drop a 6 year, 360M contract.

Or Terrace Marshall Jr over Creed Humphrey.

It's not knee jerk reactions. There have been very few picks in Teppers tenure that have worked out with the most successful at this point being Chuba. Bryce's successful sample size is far too small to label him a home run and Horn has been injured half his career.

Dude. You seem a little triggered here. Sadly the fan base has been right more often than not over the past 6 years about major decisions the Panthers FO has made. You don't necessarily have to look at the player, you have to look at the tendencies of the front office. Players with high RAS scores that need a lot of development in early rounds. Development isn't something we've really excelled at. Paying big FA contracts for guys that were not good. JMO, but I think we've reading the flow of the drafts poorly and drafted out of panic several times and been at the tail end of runs instead of the beginning. I also think we've built the team poorly by constantly "retooling" instead of just embracing a rebuild. We've paid positions in FA we should have been drafting, and trying to fill key spots with draft picks because we have no other option from bad contracts. Bryce is not the QB I wanted. I still think we overpaid. I wanted AR with the right coach, but that wasn't Frank, so my then my default was Stroud. We started him when he had no business starting, which was made obvious in Seattle, and then doubled down the rest of the season to prolonged failure. Then this off-season he was handed the keys with no competition for a performance that was cut worthy except for his draft position. The last 3 games haven't proven anything to me yet. Even mediocre QBs have had short stretches of good games. We're going to need season 3 to see if he can pull it all together and season 4 to make sure he's not Daniel Jones before offering a massive contract off a single good year. We've had enough bad contracts for 1 year wonders. I don't like how this team has been operating and the path they've taken to build. We're not replicating what successful teams do. The Tepper way hasn't worked for the past 6 years and there's been zero sustained success in franchise history. It's hard to criticize fans for being pessimistic or critical about the way things are done when they've never seen 9 wins back to back years in 3 decades.

We called it a bad pick then. It didn't make sense then. It makes less sense now. It is what it is. The real Panthers mantra.

Centers are overrated. Anyone can play center. They're about as interchangeable as RBs. No need to draft one when you can find one on another teams waiver wire or practice squad. They are even less valuable than RBs. At least that's been the argument every time I've suggested we draft one.

I get that. The statement was players ALWAYS chase the money and I was just pointing out it isn't always about making the most money. Players make decisions for different reasons. Could Horn be chasing the money? Sure. Could he be considering going somewhere else to play for a better team and a better chance at a ring? That's possible too. Could want to be in a different place to raise a family or maybe the Charlotte area is what he likes. I expect it to be a 100% business decision.

Wrong. Frankie Luvu walked out of here and we had offered him more money. Environment matters. Winning matters. Look at how many players played on reduced contracts to win a SB with Brady. Money isn't everything unless your team is a perpetual loser.

He's not the greatest and I think that showed after bRady left. Brady got another ring. BB turned that franchise into a train wreck. He's damn good, but there's no downplaying the huge part of his success that was TB12.

If he does come to the NFL I'd expect nothing less than the Raiders. I suspect the new team HQ would be moved to Circus Circus.

Bite your damn tongue. I got 3 bucks and change riding on the outcome.

Have him in 3 big money leagues that determine seeding this week.

If we could win by 1 and still have Barkley get 300 and 3td that'd be great....

If his arm had been out like he was trying to wrap up, I don't think it would have been a penalty because it was such a bang bang play and both players started moving down at almost the same time. Having that arm in like that changed the entire nature of the "tackle".

Probably going to depend on how severe that concussion is and if there are any lingering effects. A lot of guys recover, then you look at Oher and it ended his career. One of my close family members has post concussion syndrome and it didn't really show up in full until about 3 months after.

I see the need for both. XL's hands aren't great and maybe an off season on the jugs machine helps that. Coker has yet to be determined how good he's going to be though it does look promising. I've just always been a fan of that no name guy that puts on his cleats, knows where the 1st down marker is, and if you need 9 he gets you 9.1 almost every time. He's not getting 8-10 targets a game, maybe 2-3, but they're the important ones on 3rd down to keep the chains moving and the drive alive. Fresh set of downs to get that explosive guy the ball. JMO, but I think you have to have one of those guys in your receiving corps.

Hog mollies don't make good WRs and we all know how much Nippleshorts loved his hog mollies.

Call me crazy but I'd like a Bersin type guy in later rounds that can learn under AT the tricks about how to get open. Bersin wasn't flashy or fast, but he caught every damn thing thrown at him. Someone who's willing to go across the middle and take those hits and actually hang on to the damn ball is something I think we've been sorely missing for a while.

It's not all about Bryce. TMac helps any QB on our roster. We've crippled the defense this year to help Bryce and spent a ton of resources in the past 2 years to build around him. This needs to be about building a team. If Bryce gets drilled in the shoulder tomorrow and his career is over, having a well rounded offensive unit helps any QB, not just Bryce. We need a WR1 for any QB, not just Bryce. We've got to start playing the long game instead of the short game we've played for 3 decades.