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36 minutes ago, PanthersGTI said:

I am with you. I still think if he were able to put it all together it would look good. I just don't think he is mentally strong enough. Hes got no dog in him, just a laid back Cali kid who has always been in positive situations. Not that there is anything wrong with that inherently, you can only face adversary when it presents itself. Its how you respond that matters. I think a big flag pointing to this is the fact that the biggest "adversity" his father could point to was moving from CA to Alabama.  

I got poo'd like crazy for criticizing his "Cali attitude" last year lol, but yeah I agree.

2 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It’s not the only issue but it’s a big one. 
 

Height may not matter to all 5’10” guys, but it matters to our 5’10” guy, since he is consistently on his tippy toes and has to jump throw his screen passes. 
 

It may be all in his head and he is tip toeing unnecessarily…but his height is causing him to play small, and that’s all that matters currently. 
 

I agree with you though; there is a lot more causing him to struggle too. Not just height. 

it's poor technique because he's rattled by NFL pass rush and has zero confidence at all from all the struggles last year and now this year, it's not because he's trying to see over the line lol. Kyler is every bit as short as bryce and has never had this issue at all. he has some other issues but is generally an above average QB and not affected by his height. Baker, Brees, Wilson, other short QBs too who have not had this issue. Bryce just sucks, it's not his height. His arm strength is an absolute joke though, and in hindsight should've been a big reason to not even have him on our draft board, let alone in consideration for 1st fuging overall

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, part of the reason he can't see the field.....is his height. 

he needs a Bama pocket.  Which doesn't exist in the NFL.  Because that wasn't really playing in the a pocket. 

I just flat out disagree here, I don't think his height factors in at all. Other short QBs have been significantly more successful and able to read the field while countless 6'4 QBs are just like Bryce in terms of inability to see and read the field. 

His height isn't the issue, it's that the super processor we were sold on is more of a UNIVAC I

Unpopular truth here: Bryce's struggles have NOTHING to do with his height. He can't see the field, makes terrible decisions and throws, with terrible footwork because he's a terrible NFL QB, not because he's short.

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

It really doesn’t. We had to trade Burns cheap just to sign the guards. Our cap space in 2025 is 19th, meaning we are in the bottom half of cap space even though we are the least talented team and we aren’t signing “studs” to huge deals. We’ll get by fine but our cap space isn’t good if you will. A 2-15 team with a rookie QB contract, should be flush with cap space.

Yeah exactly, considering how many great players we've sold off in recent years rather than pay and with a QB on rookie contract we should be one of the few teams with $100M+ cap space.

Also some more perspective. $43M in cap space. DANIEL fuging JONES is getting paid $40M/yr. Baker $33M. All of that could be gone with 1 mediocre QB in free agency, and meanwhile we still have a terrible roster all around.

No we're not competing anyways so it doesn't really matter but mismanaging the cap this bad right now while we suck doesn't bode well for when we might be hoping to compete down the road. If Morgan is even still around past next year anyways, which I think is far from a guarantee with Tepper being very quick to react.

3 minutes ago, jasonluckydog said:

We need a statistician expert to do analysis on rookie QBs that sat for at least 1 year and had relative success during their NFL careers. Of course barring any injury that shortened their career. It would determine if sitting and learning is beneficial to long term success. 

this has been done before and there's really nothing significant one way or the other. there is actually very little data of top 5 picks that sit for an entire year+ most are later picks. I'm personally an advocate of having QBs sit and develop like Mahomes, Rodgers, Love did for example, however I don't think that should be a blanket policy and there are so many factors it depends on. Largely, who your other QB is. Having a Smith/Favre/Rodgers bridge QB makes sitting the rook very easy. Having a Davis Mills/Case Keenum while the rook looks incredible makes it a very different decision, and obviously nobody anywhere is saying Stroud should've sat last year. Or that Cam should've sat year 1.

11 hours ago, TD alt said:

Drake Maye hate, eh?

more patriots hate lol but yeah I don't think Maye will be a franchise QB for them or ever win a playoff game with them. we shall see but that's my prediction

13 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

At least they have a good owner.

 

We still stuck with Tepper.

Kraft is a piece of poo and got lucky to have Brady/belichick

The patriots are in as bad of shape as we are. Maye ain’t their answer whether he sits a year or not. 

To the Chiefs for their 2nd, he'd fill the hollywood brown gap they have

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

Some of this stuff is factually incorrect  like the cap next year, but regardless I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. If you want to blame him instead of Fitt, that’s fair but I’m taking the other approach as it seems he is trying to rip the bandaid off and fix the Fitt junk this season by taking it head on. I liked what he did this offseason 

we'll see dude, but I've been optimistic like this every year under Tepper until now and it's come back to bite me every single time. I'm trying ringo, I'm trying real hard to have any amount of optimism about this team/Morgan/Canales, but in the words of Jules from Pulp Fiction, that sh*t ain't the truth. 

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

I thought the thread bashing Morgan yesterday was odd. He has done a great job with no core to build off of in one offseason. Lookin forward to a full year for him 

What moves has he made that are objectively good so far? The guard signings seem to be fine on the field but paying that much $ to the interior OL which is quite a bit easier to get in the draft than OTs is still a questionable decision IMO. Defense is an absolute mess all around, probably the worst pass rush we've seen in team history. Our cap situation is a disaster this year and next with the roster being terrible all around. Draft was underwhelming with zero immediate contributors. Dan was a significant part of the front office that led to most of this mess and this offseason did nothing to show that we're on the path to turning it around. 

Horn isn’t on IR yet

3 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Grant DuWho now? I'd take a 3rd + a conditional 4th that could become a 1st in 2026 if he plays well.

I’d take a conditional 7th in 2030 that becomes a 6th if he’s still in the league that year.

1 hour ago, Samppson said:

Yeah, unfortunately he was sold as the most pro-ready guy out of all the prospects, but in hindsight, he didn't have elite physical tools to fall back on to let him survive. I truly think its a different story if he sits a year, with this new line and decent receivers, I think he would be much better. I think last year totally broke him.
 

Nah he just sucks our line wasn’t even that terrible last year. Not good but not so bad that it would break an otherwise good QB

Tepper truly deserves all the hate he can get. He's the man in charge of this disaster of a team and unless things turn around he can be hated on for anything and everything.

Last snap probably not. Dalton isn't exactly Mr. Durable these days. I don't think he starts another game for us though. If Dalton goes down, Bryce relieves him then a different QB starts next game(s) if an extended absence for Dalton.

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Alabama's coaching staff is a remarkably good sales and marketing team. 

Yeah and although not at QB they've had an absurd amount of elite NFL talent come out of there. 

This is a silly narrative. I wanted Stroud and hate Tepper as much as the next guy, and we never should've traded up at all in that draft. However, Bryce was unanimously a top prospect and by nearly all accounts if he was bigger would've been seen as a near generational prospect. This is not just a Panthers failure but a failure by pretty much all NFL scouts/media/fans/etc. that were high on him coming out of college. The biggest (only?) knock on him coming out of college was size and oddly enough that really hasn't been an issue whatsoever. I do not buy the narrative that he can't see over the line or that his issues reading the field are due to size. Kyler, Brees, Wilson, etc. have had no issues with that being similar size. The transition from college to NFL is just impossible to completely predict. He clearly isn't cut out for the NFL and it sucks but nobody was "gaslit."

Yes we are all rejoicing not having to watch the midget play, and yes he deserves the Eric Cartman treatment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTcGDIJPYcc

But let's snap back to reality here. We were outscored by 60 (SIXTY) points in weeks 1 and 2. Average 30 point loss. Maybe Dalton helps us shave off 20 of those points, I'd consider that a huge success. Still an average 10 point loss. This team still sucks. Don't try to kill reality:

6 minutes ago, 96Bravo said:

The only thing is Dalton might be rusty. But this should be a much better team than was around him in his one start last season. I gotta believe that Thielen and his fellow receivers are relieved that a real life QB will be throwing the ball.

I don't agree it's "much better." Bryce has been absolutely god awful, but the D has also allowed the most points in the league and as bad as Bryce is there has not been a single bright spot from the offense around him. OL is yet to be seen, yes I saw the stat on pressures but it paints an incomplete picture considering Bryce panic checkdowns so quickly. I'm not sold on Canales' scheme yet either. We will know much more following Sunday's game with Dalton starting. This year's team might be better than last year, but I'm not convinced yet.

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Ehhh I actually think we see dramatic offensive improvement with Dalton the line has been DRAMATICALLY better than last year.   

It's possible we could even be watchable 

Maybe, we'll see. I think this would be much more likely if Dalton and Young were competing for the starting job from day 1 of the offseason (which Dalton would've won and then he could build chemistry with our new OL and receivers, of which we have many). And while I have nothing against Dalton, if we had gone into this offseason viewing Young as a guy competing for a job and not a guy being handed the job we could have a better option to go to, or start with -- a Minshew, Darnold type.

13 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Hopefully he can have another try after a season or two of learning.

Hopefully somewhere else if so.

There was definitely a mandate from Tepper for Canales to start Young and hand him the job from day 1. I think Tepper saw enough in the first 2 games and finally said fug it do what you want. However now we're crippled because the offseason was approached with that "salvage Bryce" mandate.

2 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Tepper should move the team. Then we could start fresh 

If we could guarantee we get another team within 5 years, then yeah I’m 100% for this.