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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Several, honestly. Marv Levy is a good example, Dick Vermeil an even better one. And it's worth noting that Reid is also an example of a coach who came in and was successful from the beginning.

What you'll additionally find If you look closely is that none of the successful retreads won a championship at their first stop. On the flipside, you'll find the coaches who have won championships then moved on have never duplicated that success at their next team, or even successive teams (like Parcells, for example).

I tend to prefer first time coaches, but if you do want a retread, you want one like Frank Reich or even Steve Wilks, not one like Sean Payton.

Absolutely, especially when you realize that Payton won his SB in some really suspicious terms. 

13 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

The defense took a step back when he took over from McDermott. Prime Cam Newton and prime Luke masked a lot in the Ron Rivera era 

Most definitely true. It's was stated many times Wilks was unorthodox because of his lack of knowledge. It worked at first and then was exposed pretty badly. 

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

You legit said "Wilks doesn't know anything about NFL offenses," then admitted right after he did have an understanding of them when it was pointed out how dumb that is.

Of course he's letting his coordinators coordinate. Are you saying he doesn't know anything about NFL defenses, either? . Saying HCs need good coordinators is not the same as saying an HC needs a coordinator because they "know nothing about" the offensive/defensive side of the ball.

See, the Huddle is a place you can't just interpret everything ridiculous as hyperbole.  You can admit you were exaggerating for effect, it's ok.

Ok idiot you are just trying to ignore 99% of what I said to make yourself right. I'm not sure how many times I have to explain it to you but it seems like you are never going to get it. Move along before this gets really embarrassing for you and your lack of knowledge. Because you have already have been taken to school you just don't realize it. 

17 minutes ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peedi_Peedi

Is this guy popular? I know nothing about him. 

19 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I have no doubt McAdoo has more fine scale knowledge of an NFL offense than Wilks, but that isn't what you said.

Regarding comparisons with Rhule, I don't think it's fair to put Rhule and Wilks in the same category of knowledge on the offense... If nothing else than having been around the NFL for longer I suspect Wilks picked up more... 

But I also think good defense coaches do need to know the offense well... They have to scheme against them after all. It doesn't mean he can come up with great new schemes on his own, or has the same knowledge as an OC that's been in the league since probably before half our posters were born etc but this is again not what you said...

What I said is he doesn't have knowledge of offenses. Then I elaborated. Sorry you don't like that but everything I said is true. You don't just "pick up" knowledge of NFL offensive schemes. It's not something you just magically become good at just like a offensive guy doesn't magically become a good defensive guy. That's why NFL HC need to choose their OC and DC wisely. Because they are the specialist and they make or break a team. No amount of round about knowledge is going to change that. The reason Wilks has had any success is because of McAdoo and Holcomb. They are the guys that are putting in the labour and coming up with the schemes. It's sad you have been on this board this long and don't understand that. A HC 8s just a manager and sometimes a play caller. Those are not easy skills either but without quality schemes it doesn't really matter much as well. Give McAdoo his credit and stop living in a fantasy land where Wilks is some ultra multitasking HC. 

1 hour ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

Didn't know he looked like Peedi Crakk's younger brother. 

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Who is this dude lol

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Is it just me, or do the pro athletes in general seem significantly more media savy and well spoken on average than back in the 90's, 80's etc? I remember when I was a kid, the dumb jock of limited vocabulary seemed the norm, with witty guys like Charles Barkley standing out. These days it seems like most players if not the soul of wit are at least able to share their thoughts intelligently and come across as increasingly engaging and relatable.

I can see various factors contributing to this, but the bottom line for me is that interviews like this are more worth the watch than they used to be.

Different game and requires different skills. Players are way more educated and smart now and that's why the game is more complex. 

9 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Do we know this for sure ?  Not saying he'd ever run an offense himself, but he's a smart dude and has been around the NFL for some time...

He may have a understanding but so did Rhule. Big difference in understanding and having a high level knowledge. People want to poo on McAdoo but he does know the offensive side of the ball and it's highly likely Wilks defers to him to complete a NFL offensive scheme. That's what Rhule couldn't do. 

31 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Incredible thing to say about an NFL head coach. Absolutely wild.

Not at all. Just because you are a interim coach doesn't mean you understand stand offensive concepts. Maybe from a defensive standpoint but that's it. 

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think this is going to be a helluva game. Both teams are fighting for their coach and a lot of pride. In our case, we're also fighting for a very distinct possibility of a miracle on the season. 

The two teams are remarkably similar in their weaknesses and strengths. They both want to be better teams than they are. And they'll field a roughly 50/50 assortment in the crowd on Sunday.

This could be a classic.

It's a good glimpse of how well Wilks is. Tomlin is a SB winning coach just like Carroll. If he can KO both that's a good thing. 

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

tepper isn't going to be happy with a loss against his former team.

the truth is we haven't won a game against them since '96. we're 1-6 against them all time. i think we're due one.

If it were any year it's this one and it would go along way with Tepper like you said. It's more of a circle your calendar game than a overlooked one. 

46 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

McAdoo is running Wilkes scheme not necessarily what he wants to run. And that scheme is run heavy smash mouth ground and pound. Defensive minded head coaches go for controlling the clock with safe plays to minimize mistakes. Offensive minded coaches like high octane systems designed to score points regardless of time of possession. The things fans want.  So I can see why folks want an offensive minded coach. Not just the ability to build an exciting offense but the emphasis on quick scoring over controlling the clock with boring running plays.

Is that really Wilks scheme? He has zero knowledge of offensive football. I think they are more likely working to a common goal. That's play to the strength of the team while limiting the weaknesses. It's not a revolutionary concept but it's a successful one most of the time if you want to beat bad teams. 

2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

If Wilks wins out. There's no doubt in my mind this is our next HC. If he isn't we deserve to be in HC purgatory for a decade.

I don't see a win out scenario as a 100% commitment. It's not a outstanding accomplishment. It's just beating bad teams. We still have a really easy schedule and it's definitely not a murderer row by any means. 

If we lose Wilks is good as gone. No top 5 pick and no winning record. I highly doubt we are overlooking the Steelers who we have only beat once. 

7 minutes ago, onmyown said:

But they’re not speculation/opinions, there is plenty of evidence based on historical facts and examples from being HC already.

Your measuring stick is Rhule, and what he brought to this fanbase, as evident by what you’re saying so your opinion is already kind of skewed. This board always has these bipolar, exception to the rule and larger sample of evidence takes/reactions and this is one.

And I personally would rather have a defensive coach.

But barring a playoff win, I do not think the best coach available for the job miraculously also happens to be our interim HC.

I think he should get a strong consideration and very well may be the best guy teamed up with McAdoo. Still there can't just be a default you get the job kinda thing. Wilks has definitely proven enough to get a consideration but so has many others guys out there right now. 

I would draft a back this year and try to resign him. If you can't then it is what it is. RBs are a dime a dozen these days. 

14 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Everything is digital. Positive is you don't have to worry about fake tickets. Negative is Ticketmaster is going to get their cut no matter what.

That's how Ticket masters has always wanted it. 20 dollar processing fee to process the 10 dollar processing fee. 

Just now, Seltzer said:

Imagine him and Horn... would honestly be the best CB duo in the league.

That was a huge Hurn dog blunder. 

Losing Bradbury was one of the dumbest moves of this organization. 

Rhule creates situations like that. 

Roll with PJ and Corral with maybe another QB drafted. 

27 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Unless we lose out or something, I'd rather keep Wilks than hire Frank Reich.  I'd be open to Steichen or Johnson.

Now that's something I can agree with. I still say we need a HC with a proven background in Defense or Offensive with a good pool to pull from. Imo Ryan and Steichen are proven and would make this team a contender. Wilks is still a strong contender as well but how would he set up his staff. He needs a better DC for sure because Holcombe isn't the awnser. 

3 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

1. CB Jaycee Horn: 84.1
2. LB Frankie Luvu: 78.2
3. LB Shaq Thompson: 77.8
4. DT Bravvion Roy: 76.3
5. CB CJ Henderson: 74.1

Henderson catching on! 

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Those TEs though!!!  Man, they are incrediblely sh!tty

And DJ Moore. 

8 hours ago, rayzor said:

what we're doing to others is what was done to us the last couple years. 

we kept getting bullied, but it was "ok" because it was part of rhule's plan or something like that. 

wilks gets in charge and we start becoming the bullies.

Rhule was and is still an idiot. He was a terrible coach and Wilks/McAdoo are just making NFL type decisions. Rhule definitely pulled one over on a new owner. He also has done the same thing to Nebraska so he's pretty skilled at that.