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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Not really. It's basically a 3 year window. If it fails then Frank and Fitt are likely gone and by that time we have our 1st rd pick back.

 

It's gonna work though Young is the right pick. The doubters will believe when he starts winning games.

It always blows my mind how people fail to realize this. People say "picking the wrong quarterback sets you back 5-6 years!!" but like, no it doesn't? Hell the Jets realized after two Zach Wilson wasn't the guy and they're already able to explore other options since they feel they have a roster ready to win now. You'll probably know after those first 2-3 seasons if your guy is someone worth building around or not. And as you alluded to, we're only going one year without a first round pick. If we draft a bust a bunch of people will lose their jobs, but none of us and we can just try again when the time comes. Biggest fear is drafting someone bane average like Daniel Jones but convincing yourself he can take you all the way, which nobody else believes.

1 hour ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Thats why you get a pocket passer. Tom Brady didnt get hurt often. Neither did Peyton. Get someone that can deliver the ball accurately and see the field. Get Stroud

I like Stroud plenty but I simply can't imagine watching creators like Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen take over the league and think "that's why you get a pocket passer." 

1 minute ago, LegioX said:

I have a seriously hard time thinking Young is going to be able to withstand NFL seasons year after year. He might be ok 1st or 2nd seasons, but it might come to a point where he takes a hit and gets injured, then it’s going to be all downhill from there.

Burrow is like 6'3" 220 and tore his ACL his rookie year because of an incompetent OL. Cam Newton was built like a tank and had his career shorted by injuries due to overuse between running and passing, amongst other factors. Any player in the league can suffer a gnarly injury on any snap, it's just the nature of the sport. Where I'm going here is I wonder if frame is as much of an indication on injury risk/longevity as opposed to play style and supporting cast. I swear it feels like Drew Brees never missed one game in his two decade stint with New Orleans. 

5 minutes ago, FieldsOverTheField said:

Poor Young was stuck with Nick Saban at Alabama 

Stroud is garbage too though

Chicago prefers Fields over this entire class .. bad sign

Because historically the Bears have an impeccable track record of quarterback evaluation

Here’s my take: I think Darnell Washington is overrated and would be a bad pick at 39. I know he’s apparently some freak athlete but when I watch his film he looks clunky and labored. Basically zero production as a pass catcher, sure he may be a beast of a blocker but don’t we already have someone that’s supposed to fill that role in Tremble? I don’t think I’ll be thrilled if we take him high.

On 4/21/2023 at 6:11 PM, Mr. Scot said:

A bit of draft history...

Really hope that quote doesn't end up applying to us as well 

The Cardinals are in a bit of a weird spot, but I doubt they regret the Kyler pick even a little bit. Through four years he’s been named to the Pro Bowl twice, has a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, has ran for 20+ scores, taken his team to the playoffs. Obviously they may go 2-15 this year and draft Caleb Williams next year, but even if they do they’ll get probably two firsts for Murray pretty easily.

Also, Bosa was a far better prospect than anyone we’re passing up on here. He was generational as a EDGE/DE, clearly better than anyone in this class.

Bryce might just be the best QB in this draft, idk

2 minutes ago, csx said:

This is a respectable report.

One guy winning out over another good option is much more comforting than using negatived to of one to elevate the other.

Yeah this entire mock is really well written 

None of us actually know the conversations that have been held in that front office but didn’t someone else say Tepper is largely letting the GM/HC handle this (as he should)? Also it’s basically been confirmed all the early smoke around Stroud was pure speculation without any sort of actual leaks there. I’m sure there are dudes in our organization that have Stroud QB1 but it seems like overall the consensus has come to everyone being able to get on board with Bryce.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2023/insider/story/_/id/36253479/2023-nfl-mock-draft-seven-round-predictions-259-picks-12-quarterbacks-matt-miller?platform=amp

Draft week babyyyy

Levis is a solid QB prospect that’s an easy first round pick in every draft ever. Obviously taking him at 1 would be insane, but I think the smear campaigns have gone a bit too far. Won’t be a bit surprised if he finds success in this league. Had we not traded up to 1 I probably would have talked myself into the idea of taking him at 9 by now if he fell there.

2 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Being in the position we are now feels soooooo much better than having to sit at 9 and continue the QB carrousel that we have been on since daddy Cam left us 

This is why I’m totally fine with including DJ in that trade. 

16 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Come on man.  I love Cam - but he has one of the lowest completion percentages of any starting QB the last decade.  Overthrows consistently plagued him. 

Comp % is an absolute meaningless stat. I’m not even trying to be a dick but this has been accepted by the hardcore football community for AWHILE. So much more goes into it, like scheme, supporting cast, difficulty of throws the system is asking the guy to make. Etc.

My list looks like:

1. Young

2. AR

3. Stroud

Happy with any.

14 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I guarantee the throwing the ball better is pure recency bias.

Yeah I'm as high on AR as anyone but this is absolutely insane. Cam is one of the best passers of the ball I have ever seen.

He should still be the second overall pick but yeahhhh I'm wondering if Bryce was our QB1 by a wide margin, think he's been the target the whole time

I can’t believe we don’t have grass anymore because we’re too worried about having bums like Luke Combs in for concerts 

1 hour ago, Fright said:

We draft Young....

 

only to regret it by week 6 as Stroud starts to show signs of being elite while Young struggles. 

I can't imagine being this pessimistic. We could take Levis first overall and I guarantee you by 10 pm I'll convince myself we just drafted the next Mahomes

2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

That should stop anyone that still didn't think it was Young.

Don't let Mr. Scot or PanthersGOAT see this. I've never seen such hilarious denial and I don't even care who they pick.

Vegas is in the business of making money. Very rarely do they lose, acting like these lines are meaningless is dumb. Sure before our coaching search even started Harbaugh was a favorite, but obviously that ironed out once we started scheduling interviews and launched our process.

The draft is 7 days away. This was a hypothetical article where the creator did a trade for every pick. Fitterer said we aren't trading the pick. This is over over.

Can we all agree the absolute funniest outcome at this point would be the Panthers trading out of this pick only to take Anthony Richardson

I trust JJ as much as anyone when it comes to the Panthers

12 minutes ago, Shocker said:

You started strong there but lost the momentum at the end.  We are talking about a generational talent in Bryce Young and he plays the most important position.  You don’t trade yourself into a position to get him to then trade yourself out of it

And I get that, I actually have the utmost faith in our current personnel. If they’re that convicted in him then they probably shouldn’t move off him for anything. I like Bryce plenty as a prospect and think he’s a lock to be a top 5 pick in every draft ever, but I do think there are some red flags and I like what CJ offers quite a lot as well. But again, I’m just a random guy who’s never played a down of football. I do my scouting by following people I trust on twitter and watching YouTube videos, hardly a perfect science. I’m not saying this is the right opinion, if our FO comes to the determination that Bryce is that much better than the rest then I have faith in them. Just to the average Joe like me I think it’s close enough that I’d trade Bryce for CJ if it meant an extra top 15 pick to go with it.

13 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Aaron Wilson posted an article on Twitter stating the bears and Texans had trade talks. One of the proposals was sending the 2 and 12 to the bears for the first pick. It doesn’t state if that’s what the bears asked for or the Texans offered, just curious, if they offered 2 and 12 to Carolina, should they take it? 

I think Bryce is the best QB in this draft but not by that wide of a margin. Hypothetically speaking if that’s on the table I highly consider it as I don’t think the drop off between Bryce and CJ/AR is that large. If they threw in a 24 first I’m probably even more eager on it. The thing with this draft is it’s so weak at the top. But I think CJ & JSN >> Bryce

Yeah, I suppose there could have been a chance this was all still smoke to get Houston to make a deal, but with all the reports that they’re trying to get out of 2 that has to seal the deal and this thing is over