FuFuLamePoo

No.

1) There is no plausible city for a relocation.

2) Many speculate Richardson put a clause into the sale that specifies he can never move the team from the Carolinas.

3) The NFL would not let him.

How hasn’t Evero adjusted to Engram yet?

They’re not gonna throw a pass further than 10 yards today. How isn’t this easy to adjust to

Think it’s totally reasonable to believe that part of KC’s offensive regression is due to the loss of Bieniemy, and he’s not the main problem in Washington, but he’d also be a pretty underwhelming HC hire. 
I want Johnson, Macdonald, or Anarumo.

Him and Ben Johnson are the guys. I'll be turning backflips with either of them

This could be pure propaganda but man some of yall are just acting miserable by jumping to conclusions and acting like this is bullshit and not true or whatever.

Could it be bullshit? Sure! But it’s way more fun to believe that maybe he is taking a long look in the mirror and will start changing his approach. I could rant for days about Tepper, but he is still one of the newest owners in the NFL. Perhaps the learning curve has been steeper for him than he anticipated but he’s determined to get it right.

Am I saying this is the case? Not at all but it’s nice to have some hope!

The good news is that all the openings aside, the candidate pool is really intriguing to me this year. I can talk myself into any of the following:

-Ben Johnson

-Lou Anarumo

-Mike Macdonald

-Frank Smith

-Bobby Slowik

-Jerod Mayo

-Evero

I would be pleased with any of these at surface level. But considering three of them are defensive-minded they may not even be on Tepper’s radar.

I also don’t think we’re too good for a retread like Dan Quinn or Jim Schwartz. I just hope and pray the HC gets to bring in a GM they feel like they can work with.

Drop the Anarumo thread

4 hours ago, onmyown said:

Sign Brown and get rid of Burns.

This is the way. We are more or less building this roster from scratch. Let Derrick know he’s a cornerstone guy and put pen to paper this summer.

Great post. I'm as frustrated as anyone by how ALL of this has played out, but I'm also aware that he's the guy at least for next year so until we actually could have a path to bringing in someone else to play QB there's no point in cheering for anything but substantial improvement from #9. He may never be the guy you give that much to trade up for but he could still be someone we build the roster around for the foreseeable future.

Us not even giving Evero an interview only for him to land a job somewhere else and immediately get that team into the playoffs Year 1 feels like the natural next step for hilarious bad things to happen to this franchise. 

1) Fire Scott Fitterer into fuging orbit. He's simply not a GM, he's awful and I'm furious he's still employed by this team.

2) I am not terribly concerned about who we hire as coach. Frank Smith, Lou Anarumo, Mike MacDonald, Slowik, Ben Johnson (obviously), Shane Waldron are all names that intrigue me at least slightly.

3) Let the coach bring in their own GM. Or vice versa. Either way - we need a front office that Is in synch. A pairing that has a clear, cohesive vision for taking the worst roster in the league and basically building it from the ground up.

4) Extend Derrick Brown. I'm ready to call him premier at his position/what he does. He has earned it. Sit him down and make sure he understands he is the leader of this defense.

5) Trade Brian Burns. I don't think he wants to be here and I don't want him here. Obviously we're not getting anything close to the Rams package. Maybe a day two and a day three. Send him on his way. We're starting from scratch and he is not a franchise player.

6) Sign/acquire two of Marquise Brown, Tyler Boyd, Curtis Samuel, Jerry Jeudy. Give our WR room some badly needed speed/athleticism.

7) Prioritize an LT in the draft. Move Ickey to LG. Roll with New LT/Ickey/Bozeman/Corbett/Moton with BC being able to fill in anywhere. Turn the OL into a strength again.

8. Find a bruising back in FA/draft. Try to get back to smash mouth ball next year. Legit simply things to the max for Bryce. Let running be your identity. Hopefully this gets the offense moving and he can start building some confidence. Doesn't have to be your long term identity, just a way to get things off the ground.

9) All the meanwhile focus on just adding talent to the roster. Don't have any reactionary moves where we are trading away capital. Instead, try to find ways to collect it. Continue building the roster to the original blueprint you had in mind. Find culture changers on both sides of the ball.

It's the NFL, if you do things right it does not have to take long. Those that act like we are 5 years away are overreacting. Hire the right people and within 24 months you can be in the playoff picture.

2 hours ago, IndyPanther said:

I was hoping this season would force him to have an awakening as well but everything he has said to the media suggests the exact opposite. It truly seems like he believes the issue is that the team hasn't had enough of his input.

The book is already written on where we go from here. We will hire a new coach to "fix" Bryce and then abandon that plan midway through next season. He will get benched and we will fire a coach mid season for the 3rd straight year. From there, we'll take another QB in the top 5, trading up if we need to (but let's be honest, we won't). We'll continue to squander mid round picks on trade ups for players no one else wanted. The very few decent pieces we have will be long gone and we'll rinse and repeat throwing shiny new QBs to the wolves with nothing around them.

I don't mean that last sentence as a defense of Bryce btw. He isn't in a great situation but there have been many worse situations in the last 20 years that QBs have been drafted into and almost all of them have played better. He is a large part of the problem and doubling down on the pick will be a huge mistake but really will only cost us one year and whatever tiny amount of good will we have with the coaching community when we fire another one next year.

I agree with everything you said. It's glaringly obvious this wasn't a good situation for a rookie, but it's also obvious that the player we drafted hasn't given us ANY reason to dream. Like there truly has not been one "wow" moment. Something we can hang our hats on to give us hope.

Now the ones who act like we move on this offseason are simply delusional. It's why I don't feel bad about critiquing Bryce right now. He's going to be the starter next season. It's hilarious acting like we'd have any other option anyways. At least we know who is playing quarterback next year. Maybe now we can actually focus on building up the rest of the roster which we've totally shut out in our pursuits of finding "the" quarterback.

There is some bad quarterbacking play this year. The good coaches are finding ways to win with players like Gardner Minshew and this version of Joe Flacco. We're I'm trying to go with this is is that if we can actually build a good roster it's feasible to believe the quarterback's play will improve and you can at least create a watchable product. If you have actually built a good team and then determine the quarterback can't get you over the top, then you can go all in like the Chiefs did when they moved on from Smith for Mahomes and like the Jets tried to do by trading for Rodgers.

At least by knowing Bryce is QB next year we can direct our focus to adding talent to the roster because quite literally every positional group needs it.

We should not be trading any capital for anyone this offseason. You have to give Bryce at least one more year either way. If there isn't improvement next season we can start talking about other QB options then

The last bit is really all that's important here.

Say what you want about Tepper I do truly believe he wants to win and has no issues spending whatever it takes to do so. The glaring issue is that he thinks his input is valuable/needed to build a winner and that could not be further from the truth.

Has the level of disaster this season has reached been enough to make him realize that he doesn't have a fuging clue what he's talking about? Is his desire to win strong enough to make him look at himself in the mirror and realize he needs to change his approach? I'm skeptical, because he's a billionaire and these types always think they know all.

Better question, is he willing to be patient to finally do a proper rebuild of this roster? Because there is not a short term fix for this.

These are the questions facing our franchise right now. I'm preaching to the choir here, but if Tepper remains involved in football-related decisions I'm not sure we'll ever be real contenders as long as he is here.

Yeah, it's badly needed though. Part of the reason we are in this mess is because ever since Tepper got here he's refused to do a proper rebuild. When Rhule came in that was the year to really strip the roster down. The core like Cam, Luke, Olsen, TD had all moved on. We needed a clean, proper, patient rebuild then. But Tepper has continuously chased short term gains and it's one reason we're so low on proper draft capital/resources right now.

Fitterer absolutely has got to go. We are literally starting on square one. I'm not lying when I say this isn't too far off from an expansion roster. We have to be patient and do this the right way without making any reactionary moves.

I've used this example, but look at the Lions. When they traded Stafford they were more or less starting over. They had probably the worst roster in the league it was absolutely putrid. But they had a vision. In three years they found guys like Sewell, ARSB, LaPorta, Hutchinson, Campbell, Gibbs, etc. They've gone from a dumpster to 9-3 in basically three years. Because when Campbell got hired he had a vision for the team he wanted to build and he has not wavered.

It doesn't have to take long. You can turn things around rapidly in this league. But for the love of God stop trading away draft capital. Accept you're starting on day one and hire a new HC + GM that understand they will be given a few seasons to get this thing going in the right direction. I agree with others though. Five wins would be a massive success next year, then maybe pushing for .500 in 2025.

I think we are too caught up in these labels sometimes. We simply need someone that has a clear identity for building up this entire roster from the ground up. A vision that you do not waver from. You want to build a tough, defensive minded team that plays mistake free football? Fine. You want to build the most dynamic, high flying offense in the league? Fine. But we've had too many different voices from too many different backgrounds as of late.

We need a GM + HC that are on the same page for the type of team they want to build. Construct the roster accordingly. 

I at least agree that we don't need to be totally set on an offensive coach. Hire anyone that's interested and go with the person that will establish a culture.

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Penix throwing lasers!

 

 

I defended the Bryce trade but man… in hindsight Jalen Carter at 9 and just drafting one this year would have been nice…

Been very impressed by this Washington RB tonight. Puts his body on the line in the face of a blitz to protect his QB and runs so hard every play. If our new coach wants to install elements of a power running scheme again he would be perfect. Dillon Johnson

18 minutes ago, RJK said:

They need to clear out that locker room top to bottom. They’re totally fine with getting whipped and collecting checks. Need more dawgs and less choir boys 

Preach. That’s why I’m talking myself more and more into a coach with a defensive background. Mayo, Anarumo, a real culture setter

Exactly. You need a GM + HC that share a similar vision for the construction of the roster/identity of the team. You do not waver from that. If Fitterer isn't gone we are truly screwed. Tepper has to also allow patience to let them build this roster from scratch more or less. By far the worst roster we have ever had.

1 hour ago, Newbie said:

Who cares? Everyone now knows that Bryce sucks and we are the unlucky team that is stuck with him. My biggest fear is our idiot owner will take this franchise even lower by forcing the new staff to build around a guy who should be holding a clipboard. 

The thing is, even outside of QB we have the worst roster in the NFL. Quite literally every position group needs upgrades. Whether you like it or not Bryce will get another year as the QB. Sure we will be "building around him" this offseason but you can also just look at it as we are building up the entire roster which is BY FAR the worst we have ever had. 

I have some major major red flags with Bryce, but I'm not totally out yet. Did we pick the wrong guy? Yes. Did we pick an absolute bonafide bust? I'm not there yet. If you watched the game yesterday nearly every replay they show there is nowhere to go with the ball. Either that or he's on the ground before he even hits the end of his drop. I'm worried severely about his athleticism and arm strength, but this has been a brutal situation.

Start chipping away at the rest of the roster right now. I made this comparison earlier but when the Lions hired Dan Campbell they had what was easily the leagues worst roster. In three offseasons they've found guys like Penei Sewell, ARSB, Aiden Hutchinson, Jack Campbell, Sam LaPorta, etc. People have been begging for them to take a QB, but they're currently 8-3 with a roster loaded with young talent. Can Goff ever win an SB there? I'm not sure. But they're in a spot now where they can get aggressive in search of an upgrade there if they feel like that's what they need to take the next step.

We need talent anywhere and everywhere. That's the focus right now. Maybe Bryce shows improvement 12 months from now. If he doesn't, we'll be in line for another top 3 pick which we can use to address our serious talent deficiencies. Maybe bring in some sort of vet as competition as well. 

Is our situation terrible? Of course. But at least we're not the Giants who have committed like hundreds of millions to a straight up bad QB. If Bryce doesn't improve he's cheap so it's easy to get out. 

But right now we just need talent. Any sort of talent.

31 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

yes or no.  A simple yes or no here

 

do you think the teppers and their involvement influenced the pick?

If it was Bryce or bust the whole time why did we almost trade up to #2 instead?

12 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

Nobody with an IQ > 10 wanted Young over Stroud

Tommy from Gastonia

Billy from Conover

TJ from Shelby

S2 Score

David Tepper

 

those were the ones who wanted Young

This just isn't true.

The Texans almost traded up for Young. The Raiders tried trading up for Young. The overwhelming evidence suggests Bryce was near consensus QB1 throughout the league heading into this draft. Dane Brugler, one of the more reputable scouts in the world for the Athletic, ranked Bryce as his number one overall player for the entire draft.

Was everyone wrong? Yes. But acting like it was only the Teppers who wanted Bryce just simply is not correct.