Mr. Scot

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

What, the course of the season?

I mean....lol. Bryce can't put together a streak of 2 good games.

Inconsistency...although sustainability is probably the better framing word.

He's certainly capable of having good games, but not on a consistent basis. 

Likewise, he may be somewhat overachieving right now, but I doubt that's sustainable.

18 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Frankly, the NFL wanting more games and yet not expanding how many players a team can carry on their roster is insane. 

The "official" argument Is that with 32 teams in the league and  60-70 players on every roster, the talent is already diluted. 

The actual argument is more likely that they don't want to have to pay more players

(kinda like how they talk about valuing player safety at the Same time they're pushing for more games)

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean....I would take Willis over Bryce all day long. I don't think he would be able to sustain this over the course of a full season 

That's kinda the same issue I have with Bryce. 

5 minutes ago, strato said:

You are talking about two or three people with the doing it right after a win.  I give it a day. Most people do. 

People are entrenched and it is personal in many cases. It won’t stop until he is gone or turns into Superman. 

Hence, "the usual suspects".

I get "entrenched" to a certain point, but football can be incredibly fluid. Things change a lot, and sometimes rather quickly.

"Personal" though? That I don't get so much. Bring a passionate fan is cool, but I'm not gonna change my feelings about somebody over a sports discussion.

Hell, I don't even hate most rival fans...except Cowboy fans. 

(but I can't say that out loud)

Just now, CRA said:

Just keep saying that 

I have been...yet you keep wanting to argue with me

11 hours ago, strato said:

No doubt you are right about who Dan and Dave refer to. Luke seemed pretty happy with not having having the team called ass.  

Yeah, I don't normally see Tepper referred to as Dave, usually Mr Tepper.

6 minutes ago, RJK said:

I'm stuck in Christmas prep

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, you keep doubling down on being bad at the schtick you do.  You misused your projection quip.  Now you are pivoting to just making up stances….”everyone agrees with me” lol.  Never uttered.  

Ya know, this would be a great time to actually talk about one of this informed positions you say everyone knows you for. That or at least making an effort to answer some of what's written to you. 

I've given you lots of chances, but all you keep doing is the same old stuff.

11 minutes ago, strato said:

If you watched it, Simms was the real reaper. Tore him up. 

I saw what I posted yesterday and apparently there was another 5 minutes of discussion on Tua and how the Dolphins fuged up drafting him ahead of Herbert and whoever else (it was Love) and then fuged up again giving him the money. 
One thing I remember is Miami has to hide him in the big games. Another is Miami drafted the Alabama offense, more so than the player. 
Again, everything that was said IMO just put Bryce’s name in there and it is very much like what people here have been saying for three years now. Crazy.  Watched that today. 

I remember people putting Tua as Bryce’s comp, in a positive light. You know, when they weren’t claiming he was Drew Brees the 2nd. 
I never thought anything of Tua either.  And Bryce is smaller. Yay. 

I know Sims can be dickish too. 

Can't say I've watched much Tua over the years, but I have seen the highlights of him repeatedly getting blasted. Lady Cowboy Fan has too. She can't believe he's still playing.

My biggest take on him (same as hers) is that he should probably get out before he winds up a vegetable. 

9 minutes ago, RJK said:

Looks better than Bryce. Could you imagine young throwing his ducks in this wind? 

No, I can't...I'm not actually watching the game

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

You do, the guy who doesn’t appear to grasp projection. 

as the entire board knows, I do in fact, take positions.  The position here I have taken is that Bryce Young is a weak bottom tier starting QB, without NFL starting QB tools, that we must move on from.  

And now the old "everyone agrees with me" bit... another internet classic

But if "everyone knows" you do indeed take a position, then perhaps you could have actually answered some of the questions you were asked in this thread instead of just deflecting, repeating the same stuff and being "done with me" for what is it...four times now?

What good is taking a position if you can't logically support it outside of attacking me?

Likewise, given that I've said numerous times I also want to move on from Bryce, why is it so important that you keep arguing with me? It seems to be strictly because my take isn't as negative as yours, but if we're reaching the same answer, why do you care this much? Am I just living that rent free in your head?

Oy

Just now, strato said:

The OP for one. Asserting that people blamed Bryce for the loss in the title of the thread. That was not the prevailing sentiment at the time this thread was created. Very much a minority thing, I don’t remember but maybe one person if that, putting it on Bryce as the main reason. Troll thread. Did a good job too. Look at the pages. 

Someone counting up the draft picks as 10 on offense and 10 on defense or whatever the number was, today or yesterday - of which the offensive ones were heavily 1s and 2s and the defensive picks were heavily day 3 and declaring that proof that the offense wasn’t favored like people claim. The obvious neglect we watched for two years. I spent time refuting that bullshit because someone needed to. 

People saying we are bad horrible people and hate poor lil Bryce for no reason, as if it is a personal thing. Constantly.
 

Along the same lines is people saying we non Bryce fans would rather lose than have him play well and the team wins. That we are mad when the team wins  

Point illustrated. 

He's not entirely wrong.  There were indeed people arguing that position. Wouldn't say they were the majority though, just a couple of the usual suspects. 

I didn't really follow the draft pick discussion so I can't speak to that. Ditto people being told they're bad for disagreeing (though of late I've been a target of that from the other side)

As far as the wins, I don't know of anyone saying they wish we'd lost (although the "we should have tanked" contingent does tend to show up every December).

What I have seen though are some folks who, even after a win, only want to talk about Bryce being bad.

Sorry, but that's kinda silly.

Heaven knows I wanted Matt Rhule gone but it still felt good when we won (not that it happened a whole lot, but hey...)

1 minute ago, frankw said:

 

If they did I didn't see it. But at the end of the day this team is not going to get more eyes on the product on the field getting swept by the Saints with the division and playoffs on the line.

As far as people forming their own opinions and conclusions. I can and will debate in good faith with anyone that is willing to listen and engage and I will try to give someone the benefit of the doubt. But when someone assigns designations onto others such as not being legitimate fans or being the problem holding the franchise back because they aren't singing the company tune to their liking 24/7 that is where I will push back because this franchise is what it is. But it is not a perennial contender where people can draw a line in the sand and tell people they aren't real fans. But that's what I've seen recently and given what's transpired it's even more egregious because the fans want a winner. But if the Panthers can't or won't step up and take it that is on them. The fans are not to blame for it.

Might not have been in this specific thread...

As far as the other, I'm not necessarily reading every post that isn't responding to me so I don't think I saw that.

Mind you, we've certainly seen the "not a real fan" stuff on here before.

Just now, CRA said:

Nah, you are just wanting to argue everyone is wrong while pretending to own no real position.  It’s what you do.  It’s old hat. 

and it’s why they shouldn’t of compared Jimmy to you 

Psychologists call this "projection".

I remember liking Blackburn when he was here but haven't followed him since.

Ben Kotwika is a longtime, decently respected ST coach if I'm thinking of the right guy. 

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If the Bears lose to Malik Willis at home.....lol

Malik Willis is still in the league?

12 hours ago, strato said:

Man, Florio and Simms are bleak on Tua. Just put Bryce’s name in every time they talk about Tua’s shortcomings and it is like reading this board. Or some of my posts lol. 
Why do they hate him so much? They are bad people!

Florio has always been a narcissistic dick

As far as Tua, he certainly seemed to have some NFL level skills, but it's starting to look like they've been beaten out of him.

I didn't even remember there were games on today. 

Our house is in the midst of final.prep for family Christmas gatherings.

I've been looking for an escape but all the exits seem to be covered

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Bryce is slippery but blaming the OL for a loss (which isn't what Jimmy is doing here as far as I can tell) is nuts. Still, Bryce is good at escaping pressure (although arguably he is failing at stepping up in the pocket lately). Ultimately Bryce is good at very little and being good at one thing doesn't overcome the other limitations.

Pretty sure he's led us in rushing more than once.

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Page after page after page after page of boosting him up but you don't actually think he's the answer.

ForJimmy is a Mr. Scot clone.

He has his own mind. 

The one thing we agree on is we don't like dumb reasoning, even if it comes to the same ultimate conclusion.

2 hours ago, frankw said:

I watched most of the game I had to work part of the day.

It's interesting you think anyone who doesn't automatically agree with you didn't actually watch the games.

Yet you accuse others of talking out their ass.

Some taking part in the discussion here have admitted to not actually watching the game. 

11 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Because we've been gaslit for 3 years by every little thing he does that isn't terrible.  That's why.  Its pretty simple.

Who's gaslighting?

11 hours ago, CRA said:

The real trigger is when a bad starting QB is just flat out acknowledging as such and that we should view it as such as we plan forward……is met by people defending Bryce for never ending pages/posts. 

THAT is unlike anything we ever seen. 

we should be able to say, yeah, we need to move on from that and then go about our business of talking the rest off the team, how to win today given what we have and talk about the future.  

Thanks for illustrating my point. 

No one in the last several pages of this discussion is suggesting we should hang on to him, but anytime someone says anything less than "take him out back and shoot him" you act like they are.

That's either you not understanding what you're reading or just being a nimrod because you can't keep up.

(I would have said 'or just sh-tposting' but you're way too emotional on this topic for that)

Either way, the result is the same

7 hours ago, toldozer said:

The dumbest thing I heard from the whole thing was Kyle Bailey on wfnz. " Can we stop calling this young lady the victim she took part in this" ..... Uhh dummy everyone is calling her the victim because he broke into her home and threatened to kill her with a knife

I don't think I've heard a single minute of sports radio since I retired. 

Can't say I miss it that much. 

14 hours ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Inappropriate relationship with a team staffer, followed up with some stalking behavior, and ultimately a felony home invasion charge from a visit at her apartment that culminated in him threatening her life and his as well.

Yikes

At least Matt Rhule drew the line at just being an a--hole control freak.