Mr. Scot

21 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Why would you not let him compete? Put the best QB on the field. Period. Why must we coddle Bryce? Why should everyone else on the team have to compete for a starting job except for him? You think if the team sees another QB outperform him in TC and he's still handed the job it won't wreck the locker room? Again I say. Loser mentality. 

How many teams with established starters ever bring in competition?

Do you see the Bucs telling Mayfield "you were the starter last year but this year you have to win the job again"?

If the team believes Bryce can be the guy (and just about all indications right now are that they do) they're not gonna put money and resources into another quarterback. They'll direct those toward shoring up somewhere else. 

You don't believe Bryce should be the guy. I don't believe Bryce should be the guy. Hell, a solid percentage of this board doesn't believe Bryce should be the guy.

But the only people whose opinions matter appear to think differently.

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Who knows the options? I am just saying Evero likely has all the leverage here.

Reich gave Evero leeway to pick most of his defensive position coaches, but Wash didn't have any history with Evero.

His connection to the 23 Panthers was via Dom Capers who'd worked with him in a senior assistant role when Wash was the jags Defensive Coordinator.

By coincidence, Wash actually has a little more history with Dave Canales. He was Seattle's DL Coach for two of the years Canales was coaching receivers.

A couple of the guys Evero brought in have since been fired. I'm still surprised Evero wasn't after last season, but after hearing that his contract end this year, I feel it's a lot more likely that he and the Panthers part ways next year. 

It's just a matter of whose decision it is (quite possibly mutual).

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I pulled a hammy thinking about running a 40. 

I've tweaked a back muscle turning over in bed. 

(wish I was joking)

2 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Would not be the first time out FO were dumbasses. 

They believe Bryce is "ascending" per reports.

We'll find out if they're right or not.

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The team should. If they don't, they should be fired. You always look to improve. Always. Bryce gets hurt week 1 and is out for the season. You want Jack Plummer as your QB for the season because you don't want anyone capable of competing? That's loser mentality. 

I don't doubt that they'll upgrade the backup spot. I'd be extremely shocked if that didn't happen.

I'd be equally shocked if that player doesn't come in understanding that he won't be competing for the starting job. 

10 hours ago, NorthTryon said:

 

Nope, they have the pitchforks out and torches lit for XL. Yet another guy in his second season who is the worst Panther to put on a jersey due to him not being another player they wanted to draft, didn't hit the ground running like a Jamar Chase, and any positives(blocking/getting open/running off coverage), are looked at as general nothing burgers. Even though traditionally a WR takes till year three to get it, according to huddle opinions, they should find an exit strategy now. 

The Legette of this season just isn't producing.

He's definitely got the physical ability, but there are a lot of plays where he looks like he's either screwing up or just half-assing it.

Yes that's fixable, but they gotta know why it's happening and he has to be willing to make the effort to fix it. 

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Gotta give hurney the credit for that one. If I remember correctly rhule wanted to trade out the pick. 

I was never sure how much of that story to believe. 

Rhule had final say on roster decisions, so he could have overruled a decision if he wanted to.

2 hours ago, Sup said:

Why do you think Bryce would beat out whoever we bring in? If you ranked the NFL QBs, where would you put him?

Because I don't think they plan on bringing anybody in except for a role that's understood to be a backup. 

I get that fans want competition for Bryce, but there's no indication the team does. 

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

 

3 hours ago, CRA said:

yeah....based on your response, you didn't listen to the video shared.   I know that, because you just made a bunch of assumptions that the clip is taking positions it didn't and views what Person wrote incorrectly.  Which it doesn't.   If you watched the clip, he makes sure there is no confusion about what Joe is actually saying in his article

but it's still a response to Person's article and explains why he/others people become forced into hater positions.  Still worth a listen. 

I listened. He framed it in the contwxt of hall of fame type conversations and having to stop people (saying "whoa") from going too far in praising a player.

But at no point did Person suggest the Panthers should extend Bryce. He only pointed out that extension talks would be the next step in the natural progression, but even conditioned that on Bryce continuing to perform well. 

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Looked into it and this is the last year of his deal.

I would be very surprised if he either doesn't leave or completely bends them over a barrel on a contract extension.

I don't think he can because we have a ready made backup option.

DL Coach Todd Wash was on staff with Canales back in Seattle. He's got 30 years of coaching experience including five as defensive coordinator in Jacksonville.

He could also have Morgan get in touch with some of his old colleagues (Leslie Frazier among them). And of course there's likely Pete Carroll... 

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

So this is the equivalent of his contract year, so to speak?

He may not actually be under contract next season.

I'd have to look him up, but info on coaching contracts is not easy to find. 

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I know I'm probably in the minority but I don't think Levis got a fair shot with the Titans and honestly he looked better than Ward as a rookie (and I'm a Ward fan).  I know he was kind of an older rookie but he was very hot and cold which to me makes me think he has some ability.  He needs to develop mentally in the game but a good coach might be able to do that.  I'd like to see him so learn behind Stafford in LA.  If McVay can't develop him than no one can. 

I was under the impression that the tItans had released him but when I look him up, he's on injured reserve with them.

Yeah, I could see him getting another chance somewhere. Guys with big arms usually do. 

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

At 1 or stay put and draft him with our original pick?

Both, I think. We looked at him both before and after the trade up.

And hey, how many guys can say they get to do draft evals with their wives?

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Those are rarer cases. It's just simple logic, the agent wants a big deal so their cut is better but to cut off their noses to spite their faces is counterproductive.

Or when you hire your cousin to be your agent...

21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Or the FedEx "Please ask the sender to file a claim" award.

I'd vote for the "Can you provide evidence that your package wasn't delivered" award.

Best picture of an empty front porch wins

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Fields really didn’t.  He got the same.  3 years.  Bears said no more.  Now he is a one year bounce around guy.

Fields and Bryce are the same tier QB.  

Yeah...can't agree. Fields just isn't an NFL quarterback. 

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't find it fun because I see companies using it to get rid of people. I don't find that very fun at all.

Go to San Francisco and see for yourself.

I'd rather not go to San Francisco...at all

And on that front, yeah it's sh-t. Same thing happened with automotion. That's somewhat levelled out so hopefully this will too.

I'd say the best path is for people at some point to come to understand the limitations of it, i.e. realize that Commander Data is a fictional character. 

Mind you, depending on the reasoning and understanding of corporate types has always been a strategy fraught with risk

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I wasn't down on Fields or Lance(actually liked Lance a lot) but they ended up not panning out. Fields continued chances are utterly perplexing. 

Lady Cowboy Fan thought we should have drafted Levis.

2 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

For the record, I didn't want us to draft Bryce, and after the first half of the season I was hoping his starting tenure was over. But I have to admit, that he's played his way out of "the biggest bust of all time' conversation. He is currently playing his way into the "you could do a lot worse at QB" conversation, which is arguably worse for the franchise long term as far as "QB purgatory" goes. I hope the back and forth between being "horrifically bad" and "pretty damn good" stops next season (or the remainder of this season) 

Me personally, after getting my hopes up at the end of last season only to have him regress again, makes me think that bad Bryce is closer to the norm.

Stroud was my choice.

I was hopeful after season's end...

Then disappointed after the season opened...

Now I'm getting hopeful as we near season's end again...

I need some Dramamine

1 minute ago, CRA said:

What you were told about Bryce is over the last 3 seasons he has been the worst….which is really a statement about QBs who also have played over the past 3 seasons. 

did someone like Anthony Richardson play within that window and was worse?  Yeah.   Those guys you can name worse had their opportunity taken away or have yet to be given in the league long enough to even have to opportunity 

Richardson doesn't need anyone to take away his opportunities. He can do it himself

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Current AI is fuging atrocious for 99% of the uses the average person uses it for.

For researchers with limited data sets they feed it to analyze based on criteria fed to them by actual intelligent human beings, it can be extremely useful.

It's not useful in the ridiculously ineffective ways that most will use them.

It can be fun for some recreational purposes. 

Not too worried about SkyNet taking over anytime soon, though.

(especially if SkyNet tries running on Windows)

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No, if you look there are a few QB's very obviously worse than Bryce. Gabriel, Justin Fields, Anthony Richardson, JJ McCarthy.

Those guys are really, really bad.

Fields...oy

I still remember people pulling heavily for us to draft Fields. 

(Lance too)

19 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Haven't seen any of that in a while.

Would be a pretty tough sell after the Rams game... 

25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think his agent is going to say a bunch of crazy poo. They are just going to look at the market and attempt to get the best deal.

Hope not, but it wouldn't exactly be the first time.