Mr. Scot

Not sure how much influence Fox has over personnel in Chicago, but I can't imagine he'd value CB over a pass rusher anyway.

I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I think technically Fox has more experience in roster building than their GM does.

Actually there is a lot to suggest it and you would know that if you actually watched Nicks play. Stats don't even tell 1/10th of the story. Nicks wouldn't be a huge upgrade, but he would be an upgrade over Cotch. Jennings is significantly better than both so I'm glad we're targeting him and not Nicks at this point.

Then why is he unemployed?

(heck, I can't recall even seeing that anybody was interested in him)

I dont even know where to begin with this.... So because Kony Ealy didn't start a lot of games last season, he's a mediocre pick? I'd rather him learn the position and grow into it than just throw him out there in the first game.

Let's also not forget that Ron can be a bit stubborn with pulling veteran players and inserting rookies into their positions.

Don't bother beginning. He's one of the 'whine about everything' crowd.

When a guy starts off with a goofy line like "there's more to the draft than just drafting players", it's a pretty solid clue that there's nothing to be gained by trying to explain anything for him.

Less than a million dollars...my word

Nicks would have been a lot better than cotchery

Not last year, he wasn't.

I know we have a lot of Nicks fanboys on here, but the reality is he's just not that good anymore.

More to the point, he's not as good (or worth as much money) as he thinks he is.

Not that bugged by it.

Here's hoping he regrets this decision and we don't.

I somewhat understand an Big Ben comparison and certainly the favre comparison. But what about Elway v Cam comparison?

I've used Elway before, and I think it's a valid one.

There are similarities between Favre and Elway too.

Ah well, next man up...

I love the comparison.

It's always been my favorite comparison for Cam.

People wanted to compare him to Vick. He's nothing like Vick. Newton and Vick have about as much on common as Ben Roethlisberger and RG3.

And speaking of Big Ben, I've seen that comparison too, but I've never liked it because I think Roethlisberger is overrated.

Supposedly he is in the same situation as Crabtree. They are getting plenty of attention but are asking for way more than they are worth.

The guy I'm most surprised about is Brandon Spikes. I know he is a 2 down run stuffing MLB only, but he is really damn good at that. There's got to be somewhere in the league that he fits, but I haven't seen a peep about him.

That'd be no shock. Crabtree and Wisniewski are both guys known for having egos.

Spikes might be one of those guys who finds a home shortly after the draft.

I thought Wisniewski would get more attention.

Maybe a lot of the decision makers are guys who hated his dad.

(Lord knows there were plenty of those in the NFL)

You should have made people guess. I knew exactly who you were talking about.

Considered it, but I thought it was kinda obvious.

Oh goody. This discussion again. We haven't had this debate in...what, a week?

In any case, let me try and throw in some perspective here.

Some years back, I remember watching this young quarterback. He was immensely talented, supremely confident and had a rocket launcher for an arm.

He was also all too often inconsistent and erratic. He could throw absolutely perfect passes on one offensive series and then be wildly off the mark in the next. He won a lot of games, but he was a big part of some painful losses too.

Some people said he was a future MVP. Others thought he'd be good, but not great. "Too inconsistent" was the criticism, and it was arguably a valid one.

His team, however, believed in him. And it turned out to be a wise decision. Years later, he helped lead them to a Super Bowl.

So did he correct his issues?

Well...not really.

In truth, he remained somewhat inconsistent his entire career. Still, there was more good than bad, and he's now talked about as one of the best ever.

I see a lot of similarities between that guy and Cam Newton. Newton has a lot of the same strengths and many of the same flaws.

But if that guy can be successful, why not Newton?

I'm actually blanking on that guy's name, but I know he played for the Packers and I think he wore number four.

(maybe someone could look him up)

People are letting him have it in the comment section.

Which apparently is now disabled

I don't consider SB Nation all that different from Bleacher Report.

I don't know what they showed you, but it wasn't twice as much. Benjamin was over 9% while Perriman was over 12% (closer to 13, maybe). I know that number didn't come from all his plays, just a sample if I am not mistaken.

Dawg, if you really like this guy, you don't want me on your bandwagon.

Over the last few years, the Panthers have spent first round picks on several guys whom I've had concerns about. So frankly, my being worried about this kid is probably a good sign for him.

Watch the Raiders take him at 4. Would be hilarious.

I think every mock in existence has them taking Kevin White.

Teams don't want a QB under a franchise tag for 2 reasons ... 1) you don't want a QB at the helm of your offense if he is disgruntled or doesn't want to be there (not saying that is the case for Cam) 2) franchise tags for QBs are BIG $$ and a BIG cap hit for the current year.

There's no reason they can't get a deal done before the current contract expires ... unless there is a gap that neither side is willing to fill (ie. money). Cam may want the whole bank and Gett is not willing. If that's the case, it wouldn't make sense to tag him unless it is a tag & trade.

Accepting that premise, do you really believe either of those two reasons would serve as justification for just letting Newton walk?

Similar to Kelvin. Made many of the tough catches but dropped some easy ones. Can't teach his athletic ability and he's got the size and speed to take the top off a defense. Gettleman fell in love with Kelvin's physical traits.

Benjamin came up big in big games though.

Plus, based on what someone showed me in the other thread it looks like he drops twice as many as Benjamin.

That concerns me.

The stuff I'm seeing about his drops keeps me from jumping aboard.

Isn't that the kid that only weighed 235?

He sure as hell doesn't play DE in our system at that weight?

And the other half doesn't know what a holdout is.

If Cam truly wanted to sit out a year i'd bet a lot of money someone would still be willing to pay him the following season.

If Cam made it clear he'd rather sit out than play under the tag, I'm sure Gettleman rather trade him than use up a large junk of cap space on nothing... again.

I can tell you exactly what a holdout is.

It's a tactic that has yet to be successful for the vast majority of players that have tried it.

Really fast. Rotoworld says he had a drop rate of 12.96% in 2014. To contrast, KB's drop rate was 6.9% last season.

Yeeeee

Reliable hands are a really big deal to me. Love the speed, but you'd have to talk me into this one.

I love the fat bastard but he has ZERO leverage with Cam. He can rub all the nickels he wants, Cam is going to get paid

I swear half this board does not know what a Franchise Tag is.

Boy that's fast, but are his hands as bad as people are saying?