Mr. Scot
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You know something else that typically doesn't work?
Drafting pass rushers from Florida State.
Throw in the fact that just as many first round quarterbacks bust as succeed.
The biggest mistake is in thinking there's only one way to do things.
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Now being reported that the doctor wanted him to come off of some of his medications.
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Two parts I found especially interesting
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While the move surprises many, Fitterer saw it coming because the Panthers also had talked to Miami about the possibility of moving to No. 3. Ultimately, the Panthers balked at the draft picks that Miami wanted. Plus, Fitterer was reluctant to make a move before the Panthers completed their evaluations of the top QBs in the draft by attending the pro days for Wilson and Fields.
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With the Panthers’ selections falling in the top 10 in each of the first six rounds, Fitterer is not willing to part with a high pick in this year’s draft. “We wanted to keep our picks this year — one, two and three. That was really important to us, especially picking as high as we are in some of those rounds,” he says.
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Probably worth remembering that Fitterer's background is as a draft scout.
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2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:
Now Im going to wonder what other players Fit had in mind when calling around early in the process
All of 'em...
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4 minutes ago, Mistuh Jones said:
Bouye?
He's not listed on the roster yet. Might be waiting for the deal to be official.
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Just now, MHS831 said:
I would not be surprised to see us grab a LT and a G / C in rounds 1 and 3. I am not happy about CB, and I keep getting a sneaking suspicion about a WR or S in round 2....
Richie Grant, if he falls to us...
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Some information from Joe Person's latest article in The Athletic...
FYI: While the text quoted in this post primarily describes events in the timeline of the Sam Darnold trade, it's not strictly about that. These details also give us insight into the thinking and the processes so far this offseason of Scott Fitterer and Matt Rhule.
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Jan. 30: Shortly after the Panthers’ charter returns to Charlotte from Alabama, news breaks that the Rams have acquired veteran QB Matthew Stafford in a blockbuster trade with Detroit. The Rams sent QB Jared Goff, a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in ’22 and ’23 to best the Panthers’ offer and win the Stafford sweepstakes. Carolina’s package included the No. 8 pick, a fifth-round selection and quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, the first clear signal that the Panthers were ready to move on from Bridgewater after just one season.
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Mid-February: About a month after saying in his introductory news conference that the Panthers would be “in on every deal,” Fitterer begins making calls to teams to see which players — at every position — might be available via trade.
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March 11: The Panthers begin their due diligence on Darnold, a process that includes a study of his three years of NFL game tape by Rhule and the team’s pro scouts. Rhule had met virtually with Darnold in 2019 when interviewing for the Jets’ head coaching vacancy but had not done a thorough film review at that time. Rhule and Fitterer also begin talking to Robby Anderson and other players who were teammates with Darnold in New York. On this day, fortuitous scheduling provides the Panthers an opportunity to meet with another ex-Jet. Former Panthers center Ryan Kalil is in town for the joint retirement ceremony for Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen. At a lunch with members of the Panthers front office, Kalil endorses Darnold. The two ex-USC stars were teammates in New York in 2019 when Kalil put his retirement off for one season.
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March 26: Since their initial conversation in February, Fitterer continues to talk periodically with Douglas, who tells him he’s willing to listen to offers for Darnold but not until the pro days for the college quarterbacks have wrapped up. “Joe’s been a good friend for a long time. We saw him at several of the quarterback workouts this year,” Fitterer said. “I think we were both on the same page: Hey, let’s get through all these workouts, see what the medicals are. Let’s see what these guys are like in the workouts, on Zoom, and everything else. Let’s learn as much as we can about this.”
Also on this day, the 49ers make a huge move by trading their No. 12 pick, two future first-round picks and a third-round selection to the Dolphins for the No. 3 pick. Most observers believe San Francisco jumped up to take a quarterback. While the move surprises many, Fitterer saw it coming because the Panthers also had talked to Miami about the possibility of moving to No. 3. Ultimately, the Panthers balked at the draft picks that Miami wanted. Plus, Fitterer was reluctant to make a move before the Panthers completed their evaluations of the top QBs in the draft by attending the pro days for Wilson and Fields.
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March 30: A Panthers contingent consisting of Fitterer, Rhule and player personnel director Pat Stewart arrives at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center for Ohio State’s pro day. The Jets are represented by Douglas, assistant general manager Rex Hogan and LaFleur. (Saleh does not attend because his wife is expecting their seventh child.) As Fields’ throwing session is wrapping up, Rhule and Fitterer end up alongside Douglas and the conversation turns to Darnold. Douglas indicates the Jets aren’t going to just give Darnold away, starting the trade talks that will intensify throughout the week. “When it comes to finding out just the right compensation, they value their players a certain way. And we look at them and we evaluate them a certain way. It’s just trying to find that happy medium so that we can all make a value decision that we think is valuable for us,” Fitterer says. “We see him as a starter. They really like Sam. They saw him as a starter. They’re in a position where they can make multiple decisions or take a quarterback at the top of the draft. So we just had to come to an agreement on what the right price was.”
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April 2: At the start of the holiday weekend, Fitterer and Douglas still have not reached that happy medium. The Panthers’ initial offer was a fourth-round pick for Darnold, while Douglas was looking for something more substantial, such as a future first-round pick. With the Panthers’ selections falling in the top 10 in each of the first six rounds, Fitterer is not willing to part with a high pick in this year’s draft. “We wanted to keep our picks this year — one, two and three. That was really important to us, especially picking as high as we are in some of those rounds,” he says.
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April 5: After touching base a couple of times over the weekend, Fitterer and Douglas resume their talks Monday morning. Close to a deal that both sides believe is equitable, they take a break and pick back up in the afternoon. Finally, a little less than two months after their initial conversation about Darnold, the trade is finalized. The compensation: The Panthers get Darnold, while the Jets get a sixth-round pick in 2021 and second- and fourth-round picks in 2022.
There was some consideration from Douglas not to do this deal yet. The team felt there was a chance it could get that coveted first-rounder, or conditional first-rounder, if it held Darnold until the draft. Ultimately, Carolina’s decision to include the fourth-rounder, in addition to the second and sixth, convinced Douglas. There was some risk in that, if he waited, the Panthers would decide to go in a different direction, much like Washington and San Francisco. There was also the outside chance a quarterback would fall to No. 8, which would also take Carolina out of the running for Darnold. With no other talks as intense as the ones with Fitterer, Douglas accepts.
At 3:58 p.m., ESPN’s Adam Schefter breaks the news on Twitter — two minutes before the Panthers announce the deal in their own tweet. An hour and a half later, Fitterer does a Zoom with Charlotte reporters, saying he liked Darnold when he was coming out of USC and believes he’ll be a good fit with the Panthers. “I just think in this offense with Joe Brady, Matt Rhule and the weapons that we have around him,” he says, “that he can take that next step with us.”
While Fitterer joins his family at a Charlotte restaurant to celebrate his son’s 14th birthday, Darnold celebrates with his friends and family. Jordan Palmer, Darnold’s quarterbacks coach, posts an Instagram video of Darnold being greeted by cheers and balloons in the Panthers’ colors. Darnold smiles at the camera, raises his right arm and puts on a Panthers hat, publicly capping a process that Fitterer, Rhule and Douglas worked on privately for weeks.
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3 hours ago, blueandblackattack said:
Im kinda surprised they didn't ask Robby Anderson about what he's like as well, since he was in the lockerroom with him for a couple years.
They did.
From the article in the link...
Rhule and Fitterer also begin talking to Robby Anderson and other players who were teammates with Darnold in New York.
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5 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:
While the move surprised many, Fitterer saw it coming because the Panthers also had talked to Miami about the possibility of moving to No. 3. Ultimately, the Panthers balked at the draft picks that Miami wanted. Plus, Fitterer was reluctant to make a move before the Panthers completed their evaluations of the top QBs in the draft by attending the pro days for Wilson and Fields.”
Ya know when you think about it, if Fitterer wasn't willing to give up that kind of haul in a trade for the #3 pick, it makes you wonder if he'd have also balked at making a similar offer for a certain Texans quarterback.
(mind you, it never got to the negotiation stage because Caserio maintained right up till the scandal hit that they weren't trading him, but still...)
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2 hours ago, Panthers Rhule said:
I saw an ex football player who now works at ESPN, I can't remember his name. He was at the Senior bowl workouts and saw Rhule coaching all week. He was all in on Darnold becoming a good QB at Carolina. I'm paraphrasing but he said something like after watching Rhule work really hard and really coaching those kids all week that he was really impressed by him and he had not doubt that Darnold would succeed under Rhule.
You're thinking of Louis Riddick.
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5 hours ago, DFive said:
Why did Josh McCown recommend Sam Darnold to Jake Delhomme? That’s some next level prognostication!
McCown and Kalil each had both Delhomme and Darnold as teammates at some point.
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3 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:
I already said that.
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2 hours ago, TheProcess said:
I mean the problem is that Manning wasn't standing next to Gase.
After all, it was Manning's play calling that gave Gase his name to start with.
Per Albert Breer, he basically expected both Tannehill and Darnold to be able to run the offense just like Peyton did.
(good luck with that)
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2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:
Oof, potentially that could have been a higher pick or more picks. Hmm..
For the situation at that time though, the reasoning is understandable.
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1 hour ago, Aquemini said:
Anyway, if Cam returns to form, any shot at bringing him back after the season when he'll be a free agent?
About as likely to happen as that prediction you made of the Jets not drafting Zach Wilson.
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1 hour ago, Catsfan69 said:
There's a few things out there.
If someone killed or molested my kids they'd never see the courtroom for example.
Would you also kill their wife and grandkids though?
Whatever the motive is behind this, I seriously doubt it's going to turn out that the victim was a bad guy or something.
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Brett Favre, Steve Young, Alex Smith, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon and Jim Plunkett among others.
And Drew Brees wasn't anything special in San Diego. That's why they drafted Philip Rivers.
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7 minutes ago, YourLastThought said:
Okay this stuff is concerning and scary any way you look at it regarding the children. Neglect or even spankings can lead to this? I do the best I can with my 11 year old but I know I'm not perfect as a father. Growing up I routinely watched my father rape and choke my mother as well as hit her and talk like filth to her. When I was young my father would kick my ass routinely as well including sticking knives to my throat and putting loaded guns to his head in front of me. My father killed himself in 2006. I never had his brain analyzed of course. I am paranoid of ever being an abusive parent to my chikd so I don't spank or even scream at him. My kid is a very good loving child but occasionally he acts like a jack ass to me yet nobody else. When he acts up by smart mouthing me, I have to raise my voice at him and sometimes take his playstation away or not allow him to play hockey at the rink. Hell, sometimes I get busy with work and am late an hour or so when he is waiting on me to do something he wants to do. Makes me worry I could neglect him or screw up his brain. Where is the happy medium? Those case studies worry me and now I wish I had not read your post unfortunately.
Damn, dude
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1 minute ago, stbugs said:
Do we know the cost? I’m a little concerned that we did a two year deal and that means guaranteed money and possibly a voidable year which you don’t need to do unless you paid a lot.
Keep watching Aaron Wilson's Twitter. He always has contract info as soon as it becomes available.
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1 hour ago, stbugs said:
I agree. Aaron Hernandez was a criminal in college. Football is a pretty violent sport and there’s going to be some bad people that just happen to be very athletic and strong. Maybe it does contribute some but acting like the NFL is full of only really nice people that only do bad stuff due to CTE is pretty naive. It goes to our society trying to find things to blame. Gronk plays with less finesse than Hernandez and he wasn’t shooting people in college and killing multiple people like a gangster in the NFL.
One of Hernandez's Patriot teammates (I forget who) said he made a casual joke at Hernandez once - like football players do to rookies - and Hernandez reacted angrily and violently.
From that point on he was wary of him.
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Just now, Trainwreck said:
His grandkids were also murdered.
Pretty much his whole family from what I've read, and a guy who just happened to be there.
Horrible story.
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After I heard this story, I looked up the info on the doctor since he was local to me.
Turns out I went to the urgent care where he worked and was treated by him for a rash on my leg a few months ago.
Damn!
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1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:
game managers like Delhomme
Just highlighting this
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6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:
It’s a pattern. Some of y’all look at outliers way too much and think that somehow this player will be the same. And it doesn’t matter what body part. If a player is getting banged up and missing games year after year it means they can’t hold up in the nfl. I don’t hold it against them as far as thinking they’re soft. Football is a violent game.
like Matt rhule even said being available is an extremely important part of playing in the nfl. Because it’s true.
Only one thing to do then...
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That very easily could have been us.
We talked to Miami before the 49ers did, saw their asking price and said "hell no".