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18 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I don’t think the falcons choose a qb

I've got that same feeling. They've got their sights on defense and giving Matt Ryan one last ride.

I'm not sure if anyone wins big here if our defense doesn't continue to improve. There were a lot of games we barely lost where the other team only had one or no punts -- and that is the sign of a bad defense. I think a lot of that was coaching timidity more than personnel and we got better in the last third of the season on defense (more aggressive) but ended up with Bridgewater pretty much falling off a cliff.

But while we are on the subject of getting a new QB, how would you feel about snagging Heinicke as a QB3 here if he was available? That kid has the "it" factor and he'd outshine what we ended 2020 with on the bench.

Stafford is one of those unsung guys left in a bottom-dwelling franchise. And here we complain about how little respect Cam got. Talk about a difference.

Stafford has been outstanding and if he had been in a better organization he'd have a ring or two, and I think he's still got a lot of good tread left on his tires. I also like that he has stuck with the Lions year after year until, well, it just got so low that no one could take it anymore (last season was bad and now they've hired an even bigger meathead for HC). 

If he came here, I think he and we would excel. My only worry is for how long it could last.

Jeez, are we all of a sudden crying over this again, too?

Let it go. Just walk away and walk on. Better days ahead.

1 hour ago, Scott12345 said:

I don’t know about that accuracy part

Just being kind.

14 hours ago, Zod said:

Gil Brandt has about as much respect as anyone could in the NFl community. 

 

He says:

 

"I think Carolina is a darkhorse team to watch in any Matthew Stafford trade. Sweet spot for me is teams in the backend of the first round. Panthers are at No. 8, which would give Lions two in top 10. Teddy Bridgewater isn't answer in Carolina. Stafford has several good years left."

 

I'd listen.

I'd listen to the trade, and man Stafford deserves a chance to be on a good team for once... but I am finding it hard to give up on a chance to draft an important LONG-TERM piece to our team. I don't just mean a QB necessarily, but there is going to be someone great available at #8. If we can spot them.

That pick is at the spot were we got CMC and Luke. Teams that do their homework win big at this spot.

So, let me get this straight. We want a guy with basically one season as starting QB, who had hand and shoulder surgery the season before. In a COVID challenged season he blew away teams from the cupcake carousel divisions until running into the Coastal Carolina powerhouse where he was taken to the woodshed.

You want to bet the farm on this guy and not worry that he was a flash in the pan against lesser competition? I'd pass.

Sewell if he suddenly, unexpectedly falls. Parsons might well be there and I'd be happy with that. Pitts could see immediate usage. 

I still think if we can get one of those three in the first round and Mac Jones in the second, we'll have hit gold.

2 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I made a post about that yesterday during the game, and as well as Remmers, Daryl williams was starting for the Bills and did very well this year, and both QB's not only did well, but exceeded in their respective situations meaning that a huge portion of the problem was maybe we were asking too much of the Line for the archaic system we ran and yes Cam Newton also held onto the ball too long.  

We did run an archaic system, but I think it was trying to continually fit square pegs into round holes because we were all out of round pegs. 

And yes, Cam, for all his gifts, was glacial about getting the ball out at times. Plenty of arm strength, accurate enough, legendary mobility, but his reads weren't quick and it took time to load up that laser cannon he had for an arm. And honestly, I don't think Cam often argued in his head about whether it was time to run or time to throw. So many gifts, so much to sort through.

Let's face it, none of the TEs we went into the season with were even at Manhertz's level, much less Olsen's. Not even as blockers were they any good, but there were so many other things to work on in August that TE was just the tail end of the dog we were going to field.

Had we had a decent pass catching TE, Teddy would have done better in the red zone. We had three ace WRs out there in the mix and having a mid-level quality TE who could pop a quick block and then move into the underneath would have won us two or three games, and probably saved Teddy a few of those heartbreaking endzone INTs. 

You don't just find Kelce-type players every year, but if we could just grab a decent one (say David Njoku level) we'd be in much, much better shape.

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Not disagreeing that many do this but I'll say that completion % is one of the most useless stats out there. What matters is what a QB does with his completions.

I agree that comp percentage can be fudged a bit by looking good in a short passing game system or an overly cautious passer. It does, however, show some ability.

A bad completion percentage, though, yeah that's a bad sign to be noticed, noted and avoided.

Great guy, great player, wish the ending had been better for him, but a body eventually gives out in one way or another. 

Looking forward to seeing him as a part of the broadcast team and as part of our Ring of Honor.

Kelce and Ryan Jensen.

There are a lot of pundits out there that see us sitting still on QB with Teddy Bridgewater. They look at the 69% passing success rate and just move on. Part of that is we just don't draw a lot of interest or attention without a big celebrity player on the field. Really, to appreciate how our team has/is changing you have to really get in there are dissect all the moving parts: really dig into the work of our O and D lines, see the back ups, evaluate the rookies and FAs we rotate in on D to test out, look at how some underappreciated players grew and how some known players diminished. It's just a lot of work. 

Why bother wedging into us into a story when the editor says "Get me a 900-word piece on the top 5 Stafford landing sites by 8 am"? Hit the high notes that require little nuance and use a few big market teams. 

If we grab an experienced QB this off season, it will be someone of Teddy Bridgewater's notoriety simply because that's the pond that makes the most sense (longterm) for us to fish in right now. And, there's a chance that we may swing into the season with Teddy as our starting QB while we work on other issues. A case could be made that with a better line, CMC back in the line up and a stiffer defense (let's make that other team punt once in a while guys), that Teddy might be solid enough to be a winner. (Me, I'm not really strong on this, but it's there in front of us as a possibility).

6 minutes ago, Zod said:

Or maybe having an elite QB, Elite TE, and Elite Receiver makes is much easier to get the ball out before a sack can happen. 

 

Some of his throws yesterday happened within one second of the snap. It is ridiculous. 

They also scheme smartly to make best use of their line. Mahomes has a quick release and is very mobile. He rolls out often to the right side (and the run game often works to the right) and this allows Remmers to keep his man in front of him and just maul the guy rather than kick-step and pass block. That's smart and moving him to LT just because he has experience isn't a good plan, as we learned the hard way. Of course, he's blocking for Mahomes rather than Cam and that is to Remmers' advantage as well.

12 hours ago, t96 said:

The Carolina Panthers need to get either Deshaun Watson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, or a QB in the top 10 in this draft in the 2021 offseason for it to be a successful offseason.

I don't necessarily agree. I don't think Watson, Stafford or Rodgers are coming here and I don't like the financial/draft hit they would engender. I also don't think that Watson or Rodgers' egos would fit with our coaching staff.

Do we need a top 10 pick at QB to win? If Penei Sewell drops to us at 8 as Daniel Jeremiah was suggesting, then we'd be stupid to not take him and then swing for a QB in the 2nd round. 

We can win big without the big name QB with the massive price tag. If we can get a polished, pro-style program QB from the second round of the draft (like Mac Jones) paired with a good line, then we can win. We have so many weapons here on offense and I believe our defense is improving.

Not to mention, in free agency, that second tier of available QBs (and more affordable ones) is going to have some big names in it. Who knows what could be out there?

Is it okay to think that both Brady and Rogers are massive jerks? 

I'm not big on the idea of trading for a QB, honestly. If we had to take one of the two, though, I'd go with Stafford on cap hit alone. Both can win in the right system with some protection.

Four years from now, though, both will be nearing the end of their pro football journeys and we'll have to start this mess over again. Make the right pick of a QB in the draft and that person will be in their prime at that same spot in time...

Just saying.

Well, it isn't like we didn't already have a desperate competition in camp this year for third string QB. We'll somehow surive.

Personally, I'd say, yeah, we'll take him and his $40 million a year contract off your books for YOUR first rounder this year and next.

If you think he's going to sweep in here, we lose a couple of stars and a first round pick AND he's going to renegotiate for a team friendly deal, you're just fooling yourself. To think we'd lose those stars and picks and then win because we got a magical dude from the AFCSouth is also the height of naivety. 

This is the NFL equivalent of getting hosed at a used car lot. 

Zach Kerr, I just get a kick out of him. If nothing else for that slow walk on he did to give the other team a delay of game penalty. Plus, the guy filled in well for KK giving us a more traditional DT performance.

CMC, Samuel and Shaq follow closely behind.

If we pick up Watson it shows nothing more than we can't do math.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you trade for Watson, you cut Teddy as a post-June 1st designation. You have two per year. You use them in Teddy and Short.

Would save us what, a measley $2 million that year? Still looking at a huge amount of dead money.

Much wiser to grab a first round QB at rookie deal money (and guarantees) and have Teddy on hand for mentoring and as a back-up (albeit a highly priced one). 

Otherwise with Watson we end up fielding him, PJ Walker, JJ Jansen and a half decent Arena league team for the money we have left. Nah, man, let someone else play that game.