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19 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

yeah more than likely but now is the time to flatten this thing as much as possible so we can build up our resources and give our scientists time to figure this thing out but we have dumbasses in this country. 

Ohh, I agree heartily with what we've been doing. More than anything, our self quarantining has kept every hospital in America outside of New York City capable of handling the cases on hand. Had we all just kept partying on the death toll would have been astronomical. The move saved us, even if it did hurt economically -- and we have to realize that not everything in the world is less important than economics.

And honestly, I think we should continue social distancing and self quarantining for a while longer just to allow us to rest and refit our healthcare sector. It will also give us more time to develop treatments and best practices for combating the illness.

In the end, though, this pandemic wasn't just COVID-19's big debut, it was the coming out party for coronaviruses the world over. It (all the other COVIDs and SARS) are here to stay, mutating a bit each year and rolling through the populace, just like Influenza and Rhinoviruses (the sicknesses we refer to as the common cold).

Just now, TheRumGone said:

people are gonna travel for whatever right now not just beaches. it seems like it would be virtually impossible to stop people from traveling to other states.

Sadly, it is going to require folks going out, mingling and potentially infecting each other to get us to the next step in living in a post Coronavirus world. We'll know soon whether we get slammed again or if it will just be a moderate rate of infection. Sooner or later, we'll have to all go back out, but as Magneto said, "Let the pawns go first."

We've been living in a post Influenza world since the 1918 epidemic, learning to live with it's reappearances, learning how to treat it and alleviate symptoms, developing vaccines and sadly, burying tens of thousands of terminal cases each year because it can't be eradicated now or ever. We'll do the same with the Coronaviruses that will come along over the years.

31 minutes ago, philit99 said:

You are absolutely right. We saw tremendous economic growth at the expense of all environmental protections ever put in place. Trump removed most protections for the almighty dollar. Yes we benefit, no doubt, but at what cost. The short sighted decisions could have long lasting consequences. It’s why we should think before we leap. Now all of those economic heights are squandered and what does that leave us? Same amount of money with lower air quality.

Let's also remember that companies in the US were holding record amounts of debt on their books, thanks to phenomenally low interest rates. What the pandemic showed was how it wasn't the interest rates, but the principal payments that would kill these companies that were so leveraged and without any real cash reserves. 

That's a systemic problem that actually existed long before Trump. Trump, however, has always run his businesses leveraged to the hilt and has, through policy and rhetoric, encouraged our economy to work this way, too. He has long been the champion of borrow and reap rather than save and sow seeds. Trump's not the originator of our economic weakness, he's just the posterboy.

It all works well until, well, a rainy day comes. Our country has been so prosperous that it has withstood all of those rainy days, hurricanes, flooding, massive fires, civil unrest and malaise since 2016. It took a pandemic, a modern plague, to shake us down. The idea of borrowing our way back to economic health should be scaring everyone.

34 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

I didn't say anything about "get rich quick," that's on you.  But there's plenty of money to be made right now, and I'm sorry you weren't taught how to go make it.  But have fun "socking it away."

Good luck.

21 hours ago, Wes21 said:

This is the mentality that separates the eternally broke from those that accumulate wealth.  There is a ton of money to be made right now.  Just don't be mad at those that make it, instead of "socking it away."

Buy now, get rich quick, here's the secrets THEY don't want you to know! 

4 hours ago, Wes21 said:

A ton of money was lost, that's for sure.  But a ton of money was made, and will be made as well.  My opinion is that a lot of publicly traded companies are going to accelerate losses on their reports, making things look even worse than they were.  But that will help their reports going forward.

The biggest impact on major corporations and businesses is that many of them have now been exposed for using the cheap credit of the last 12 years to offset unwise business practices that didn't build their businesses. So many companies were caught leveraged to the hilt right now and with no  cash reserves that they can't make their bond and debt payments. Many had been unwisely using what should have been cash reserves to buy back issued stock to improve the revenues of the rest of the stock holders. 

We haven't even started to see the bottom of the business impact yet, that is still downstream as a number of companies that have done massive layoffs won't have the cash on hand to restart production/services and make payroll to bring people on. Couple that with the inflationary aspects of the government/Fed Reserve just printing up $3 billion out of thin air and well, you should get the picture. 

Don't drop money into the stock market right now, no matter how bad they want you to. This "recovery" is fool's gold, imho. 

Instead, sock that cash away for your own rainy day. The rains, they are gonna come.

33 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

I mean you are in a tough spot that is for sure. It’s not fair that they have this leverage over you like that. Government should enforce some sort of law that makes stuff like this illegal. Protect the consumer. 

32 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

All construction, in any phase, is considered essential.  Its wack as hell but theres no distinction btw someone putting in a new swimming pool in time for the summer and repairing a roof  so it doesnt rain in the bedroom.

In the end, we're benefiting from their being here, to be honest. We'd like to be done with the project, too. And looking at it from the contractor's perspective, it is easy to see why continuing work on this right now is the best deal going. He has other things lined up afterwards (I hope --  he's a good guy and does quality work) and he needs to finish this, get paid and get to the next (for people who are also waiting). He also is at the mercy of subcontractors like electricians, plumbers and installers, so the more he can keep things moving, the less vulnerable he is to work stoppages for one of those.

Just going to have to hope they stay well, we stay well, everything gets done and happiness abounds on both sides. Besides, do you know how good it is to find a general contractor that really knows what they are doing and are fair and trustworthy? You just can't let one of those go when you find them.

And all of those folks have families to feed and bills to pay.

12 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Agreed, seemingly half of everything is considered essential.  Lots of people still moving around.  

There's a lot of self-determined essentials going on. We have contractors and electricians working in our house today ... our project isn't essential, but they want to be here. We'd send them home but have already been told that if they leave today then we have to wait to get back on their schedule and that could be months out, and they'll want payment for the project now.

I mean, what do you do? Luckily they are working in the bottom half of the house and my family has sequestered itself in the top half, so we're good and there's little contact, but dang man, really?

Same thing as in 1987 and 2008... sit and hold. It's not a loss if you don't sell. Look for bellweathers that drop and snag a few bargains.

People are panic selling and then buying on Fridays to recoup some growth and cash back in on Monday mornings.

And your 401k will be fine, just don't look at it for six months.

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

If you like REM that it’s a put down. They suck. 

In one statement, you've completely destroyed any good opinions I might have had of you. You poor misguided fool.

7 minutes ago, NAS said:

Nobody is calling for panic but please stop trying to downplay how dangerous his virus is.  According to the WHO, 1 in 5 people become seriously ill.  There is no telling how this Virus may behave and evolve.  It is time for everyone to do their part and stop the spread of this deadly virus.  Plenty of people who are not elderly or even without compromised immune systems have died as well. 

Wasn't downplaying it one bit. Was keeping perspective, though. 

30 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

That’s interesting but R.E.M. fuging blows mountain goat 

I'm not sure if that's a put down or a compliment.

Life is going to be disrupted for a while. The illness will be a big problem for the elderly and those who have underlying health conditions -- particularly those with asthma, COPD and emphysema -- life threatening in the worst cases. Most folks who catch it, however, will recover after feeling lousy for a while.

The economy will be disrupted, not just for the immediate future but also for a way on down the line as ripples throughout the supply chain affect industry and retail. Banking, lending and investing are bracing themselves for hits to their sectors as other businesses/people who run close to the margin are unable to keep up with their debts during this time. 

It will be okay, though. This isn't going to be the bubonic plague revisited, or even the 1918 Influenza pandemic. We have better medical technology, better understanding of epidemiology, better communications, better nutrition and a whole host of other items that should give everyone hope and peace of mind. Yeah, it will possibly get rough, but as much as anything for the average person it will just be a massive inconvenience for a while. For those with elderly family members or who have lung ailments, keep them in your prayers and do everything you can for them.

Until this all passes, just wash your hands, avoid big crowds and show common courtesy to those around you. The world is going to have to slow down for a bit, make the most of it.

1 hour ago, Captain Obvious said:

Goodbye cruel world. See you on the other side. 

Video directed by Alton Brown of Good Eats fame.

Edit to correct: Nope, my bad. It was "The One I Love" video. Same timeframe, same Southern Gothic feel.

I've got a lot of hope for this young guy. NCAA receiving leader who somehow doesn't get drafted? 

If he's got his head on straight, coaches up well and puts in some serious work, he could make a lot of folks regret not drafting him. It sure would make a great story.

I like your reasoning and both picks would make a lot of sense.

I think that in the first round, Gettleman will be looking at picking up a long-term replacement for one of our "elder statesman" players. I just think it is Kalil he'll be looking to find a protege` for.

And there, I think it will be Cody Whitehair out of Kansas St. He's got the skills to play guard and center and he fits the Hog Mollies bill like few other players.

Here's the key that they aren't understanding, and hopefully won't until after the game.

Carolina has the number one offense as much BECAUSE of our defense as much as because of Cam. Look at the turnover differential. Look at the number of three and outs we force. The most important factor in our offensive success is that we consistently, ever danged game, start our drives with much, much better field position than our opponents.

We get an interception or force a fumble, or your team starts on the 20 and has to punt from the 26. We work a short field and your defense is already working in tight quarters, the opponent doesn't have much to give. And in that compressed field, we run a power-running game, have multiple deep threat receivers and one of the best receiving TEs to ever play the game. We also have a strong armed QB who can run like no one has seen before. Oh yeah, and we have an offensive line that hustles on every play,

We can march it 95 yards down the field for a 17 play drive that scores a TD. We just don't have to do it much. 60 yards, 50 yards, 25 yards, those are the drives that have been killing our opponents. Game after game after game.

On pass defense alone, I'm saying that we have four guys ahead of their top defensive back, Aqib Talib. And of those four guys... two of them are linebackers. Manning may be in for a very difficult day.

On offense, our best will be against their best. Their defense was meant to take down the high-powered precision passing attack of New England, as Jeremy pointed out. They won't, however, be facing the Patriots, or a team that is built anything like them. I don't think they are ready for the slobber-knocker kind of fistfight they will be getting into.

They are a good team, well coached and led by a legendary QB, but they are the horse drawn carriage stuck on the tracks as a locomotive bears down on them. 

In the end, it doesn't matter a darned thing what Seahawks fans are saying right now.

The only thing that matters is what they are mumbling on their way home Sunday afternoon about 4:30 p.m. EST.

Man, these games today have been snoozers.

Imagine how many yards passing he would have made if he hadn't been working with a short field so many times thanks to our defense. 

Tampa's got a decent team that has been getting better and better. First rate running back, good young QB and good receivers. This is just the kind of team we need to be facing before heading into the playoffs. Our defense will have their hands full and we really need to see them be dominant again. 

It will also be a big game for our offensive line. Sure hope they are up for it.

Panthers 35

Buccaneers 14

Well done! This was in your top 3 so far!

4 minutes ago, KendrickPanther said:

This picture is art. One generation smiling to the next.

This is how a quarterback goes about starting the legend. Someday that kid will be talking about the day when Cam threw 5 touchdown passes and ran for 100 yards, and he was there to watch it. And when that kid's grandkids look at him like he's crazy, he'll go get that ball and show them.

Classy QB that will be remembered long, long after his playing days are done.

Hrm, flame out, they will.

Good read!