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1 hour ago, Panthero said:

Id like for nothing more than us to take him at 8 and he's a stud. But the miss rate is so high on TE. That worries me. But a true number 1 target would be awesome.

Every pick is a hope. Every pick.

The bar was set very, very low.

Historically low.

I'm not sure a coordinator has ever survived the off-season with a team that set a historic low for futility before.

Still, I have hope from what we've picked up and retained.

1 minute ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I just don't see it happening, personally. Teams fill gaps in FA to line up BPA in draft, that was a known thing prior to the signings. I don't see them pivoting post-signings. Though, I know some wanted Warren even before FA started. I just don't see Warren as BPA at 8 for the Panthers and I could be very wrong here. All speculation of course because how would i know for a fact who is where on Panthers board. 

I kinda see him as BPA at 8. The problem is that I also see him as BPA at around five and six and seven, too.

That has me worried.

Best player, whatever position, can make a team. This guy is one of those who can do it and we desperately need some of those folks. 

Tyler Warren will be the pick. 

That's what I'd do and that's what the tea leaves are reading right now.

I'd love to add a classic fullback to our team. If he were five years younger I'd jump at having him here.

And yeah, I still miss Brad Hoover.

Bengals gonna Bengal.

Here's my deal:

About every other script I write, I spend about two weeks going through police report after police report, looking at crime scene photos, going through autopsies, watching interview footage, sometimes even having to watch on scene video/audio of a murder in progress. 

It wears on a soul and honestly, I'm weary of the people who say "I can do this or that to another person" or "if they tried that with me" or the worst of them all "I believed they would stop, why didn't someone stop them?"

Human life is just too fuging cheap on planet Earth.

Well, we got one uninjured and good season from him. And a handful of partial ones due to injuries.

He may get paid a lot more out there on the market than we can wisely do, so... it might be Jaycee's preference to hit the market more than our reluctance to offer a decent contract.

Would like to see him back, but he can't get Top 10 or Top 15 money.

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Not sure I agree. I could technically kick the poo out of you and get less tims than if I just grabbed you by the throat. 

To that point, and I do realize that this is a pretty big outlier and not anything close to this thread, but I could choke you out as a trained martial artist, causing basically no harm but it would be a more serious crime than if I landed a roundhouse kick to your dome that left you with a TBI.

Yanno, I'm staying out of this. There's no good place to go here. Let's all just not put hands on other folks.

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I know nothing of the details of that incident but you can catch this charge by simply placing your hand/hands on someone's throat.

Most states consider this a felony.

And rightly so.

Warren in the first, don't worry about FA tight ends.

And really, has anyone ever won picking up former Jaguars?

Have the Jaguars ever won with their own folks?

Didn't see this at all.

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If the Panthers take Warren at 8 Dan and Dave will be gone after the season and they will deserve it.

Let's see how it plays out.

17 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I think his regression at the end of the year will prevent for getting a big contract. 
He is a backup, not a starter. 

Oh, I see where you are coming from. I've just seen too many iffy QBs get massive paychecks after a sudden re-emergence. Someone will roll the dice with three years, $90 million.

Sam Darnold is going to make bank and I think we will see him in Cleveland. 

Justin Fields will end up in Indianapolis on a modest deal to compete for QB1 there. I think he has a shot and he'll take it. 

Las Vegas will take a shot at Aaron Rodgers with even worse results than the Jets had.

New Orleans will sit this one out. 

Tennessee, Giants, Jets will all draft.

Pittsburgh will sit steady early on until the draft and take someone if they fall, perhaps Dart, but definitely not Sanders. They may well end up offering Russell another season.

I think we see Kirk Cousins stay in Atlanta as insurance and because his contract is just too, too big to be tradeable without Atlanta having to eat 75% of it.

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

That is why we draft Tyler Warren. He’s got perennial Pro Bowler written all over him from day one. You need to go BPA in the Top 10, period. 

That has been my take and exact pick for almost a month now. Warren, if he's still there, is the guy. 

17 hours ago, thunderraiden said:

LMAO, WRs are geting 30 to 40M a year, thats what matters. You have to draft an WR1, you can't get one in Free agency, and if you want to trade for one its going to cost you a first rounder AND 30-40M a year anyways. Thats why Tet is on the board at 8. The rest of what you're talking about is 100% irrelevant to the reason you draft Tet at 8.

Also your example of tier 2 talent lasting to the end of round 3 after picks 6-7 (2-3 QBs and 4-5 Blue chips) gives even more fuel to getting the only WR1 in the draft if he is available. We can easily give up our 2 4ths to get an additional 3rd as well.

Yeah, and I don't advocate going hard into the free agent market this year for a WR, either. Maybe grab someone a bit before training camp.

We need to put the money elsewhere, just like we need to put the draft picks elsewhere. Are we great at WR? No, not yet. But Thielen has been remarkably spry at his age and Coker was a revelation. And I'm not ready to give up on XL yet. First season for WRs is always tricky. 

The best wide receiver on any team is a fully active participant in about 55% of a team's offensive plays. 

A tackle, a guard, a QB, a running back, DT or DE, LB, pure edge... they are often times involved in 100 percent of the snaps on defense or offense. When you've got a high draft pick, take one of those positions where they can have access to and the chance to affect more plays.

Later in the first round, I personally believe that wide receivers come back into play in a cost effective way around pick 20 or thereabouts. 

And tight ends, really depends on how you use them. A really great one can be involved dynamically in 80 - 95 percent of an offense's plays, from blocking to receiving, especially in the modern NFL. The right one(s) I think can be a cost effective choice from picks 5 - 15, but that's really a maximum of one player like that every couple of seasons.

If we threw a 1 year prove it deal to him, I'd be all in. 

But we won't and he wouldn't.

Someone will overpay for him and maybe we'll get that team's second choice and be better off for it.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Some are saying, "build to OL is not new information." That is not the issue.  The issue is how much can you invest in G without under funding other positions.  The cap makes it tricky.   Spending on Guards is not widely-practiced; it is a trend--  In the past, the LT, C, and RTs got the coin.  Guards were not prioritized (you have to drop $$ at some positions to pay other positions).  So the concept of building an OL as a key to success is not new, but the commitment to certain positions over others is tricky.  

KC showed the world how their OL troubles backfired, and they just traded away a 4-time All Pro OG.  ???? Salary cap.  They have some big salaries elsewhere.  So they are going to try to find studs in the draft--I am guessing KC would love to sign Banks (Texas).  I think they would trade up to get him.  Maybe to #8.

Pay the guards while the QB is young and on the cost effective contract. Develop your tackles along with him at similar rates. When the QB and tackles are reaching their contract years, it's time to swap out the guards for cheaper draftees that can be coached up by the (now)vets alongside them.

And you grab the best Center you can find, whenever and wherever you can find them.

Or so to the way I was taught.

Wouldn't hate either pick.

3 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I'm not out on warren, i mean i wouldn't love it. I would like the selection of warren more in a trade-back scenario. And i would be very surprised if he isn't there at 8. I get this isn't a star studded draft like last year which resulted in a super talent like bowers dropping to the teens, but im not so sure that is the best selection we could make at 8. Surely, I could be wrong here. Maybe i'll feel better about it after FA, but i'm just not so sure we'll bring in these big name FAs we've been looking at or hearing rumors about. Still, I wouldn't hate the pick, just wouldn't be hyped up about it. 

Okay, I understand. I originally was defense only because, well, it's frikkin obvious we need it. He's literally the only offensive player I'd take first, simply because of how he could vastly improve our entire offense. That's why I've been pounding on the table for him to be our pick... I really believe this guy is going to be a generational talent at the position.

Also, look at the defensive depth in this class, particularly on the line and at LB. I think we can make this move to give Bryce that extra tool in the bag AND still improve on a defense that needs to get younger AND more aggressive. 

If Tyler's there at 8, sprint to the podium, take him and roll on.

Of not, go back to taking the best DE in the draft.

Hard pass.

Time to build from within. 

I always hate to see a team spend big bucks on a free agent safety. I just think it's a position that's more cost effective to build in house.