kungfoodude

Jones seems like the classic million dollar talent attached to a ten cent dome. Very Sam Darnold-esque. The talent is all there, the neurons are just not firing correctly to get all that talent into producing at an elite level. It happens all the time. Justin Fields is another great example of that.

I don't think Howell is fixable. He's just a Winston/Favre-esque gunslinger. It's not often those guys really change that. He has a decent ceiling, Baker Mayfield. That's basically the limit of his level of gunslinger and I don't think he can achieve that. He was just born in the wrong era(feel the same about Winston).

There is ample blame for all of this to go around but Tepper has a real short leash on head coaches and year two of significantly under .500 ball isn't gonna go well, IMO. Now, if I am in Tepper's shoes, I would already be looking past this year. Anything close to .500 is absolutely spectacular. Gotta let someone eventually have the opportunity to attempt to build.

Yeah, I mean I can understand the thinking behind it. At least between all the boneheaded throws/INT's you will get some wild completions and TD's. Ideally, you just have better than both.

His rep is much more of a speed/quickness guy than a power guy. He's an athlete/wrestler type. You aren't gonna see him chucking people like DB does for us.

Honestly, my money is on him getting canned prior to the seasons in an effort for DC to save face. Not suggesting Evero won't deserve it but technically that wasn't a DC guy, he was inherited.

Jake style, TO prone gunslingers are not en vogue in the current era. Offenses are more QB TO averse than in previous eras.

Can we please stop dinging up the OL boys?

From the actual source. They are ranked behind us because of the QB, Coaching and FO rankings. They list our roster as worse. Which, if you give me a composite score on the same scale, I probably would have them below us, as well. Their coach and probably FO will be gone before ours will. Their QB situation is potentially worse(a lot hinges on Dart). I will say if Ownership was taken into account, we might be squarely in last. Tepper is unquestionably 32nd.

Wilson and Baker are WAAAAAY more mobile than Bryce. He has some limited mobility but both those guys(especially Wilson) create those opportunities by scrambling around and getting guys open. Donovan McNabb, same thing. Bryce is nowhere near that kind of player.

Yes but it is far, far, FAR better for the players.

He is one of the worst 5 star QB's that KEPT GETTING PT that I have ever seen. It's flabbergasting he is in the NFL.

The Giants aren't even remotely comparable. We would kill to have the amount of talent that they do. On both sides of the ball. Now. I will say that the sources in this thread did have them ranked only 29th, so not that far from us. I think they are very heavily weighted towards the upper end of the scale in a head to head.

IMO, it's about 90% conference expansion and 10% NIL/transfer portal. It's mostly the old heads that complain about the latter. I get the thought process but I don't believe that is the real issue at all. Either way, I will come back when college sports collapses and retracts. I expect that will be inside 20 years.

Both those guys are far better athletes and have far stronger arms.

Agree to disagree. Dalton is a significantly different type of QB and he didn't play dramatically better than he did for either version of Bryce that he had. We will see what the future holds. I can promise this, however, if he doesn't pan out here, he will also not pan out elsewhere. Same as Mingo, TMJ, and all the other Panther WR busts before.

I think there is definitely some of that, no doubt. But those guys also tumble down the draft and you see guys from small schools fly up the boards. It's workouts and combines and all the other details that can make or break a player during the draft.

I wouldn't say we are random, we keep rinsing and repeating over and over and over. That basically makes the building blocks keep changing. You had Legos, now you got Erector pieces, Lincoln logs, etc, etc. I think that is the larger issue in terms of the perceived randomness. That said, it isn't as if we have a core group of players that are multi-year guys. Our long tenured vets are very few and far between.

The point largely being is that he was a far surer thing than XL, which says alot about that pick in the first place, IMO. Ladd fell for the reasons listed and also that a guy without exceptional size, reach and speed is rarely ever going to command a premium position. TBH, him being drafted where he was is a true testament to how good of a prospect he WAS viewed. Normally guys in his mold are mid-round picks.

I agree with this. I think he needs to be utilized far more as a gadget player than a true #1 WR. He isn't there yet and he isn't able to perform that function. Simplify it for him, get the ball in his hands and see if he can make some plays.

The issues with XL go way beyond just drops. He is lacking in almost every area. That's ultimately the problem. It's not one thing to clean up, it's several. Hence why he needs to be working triple time on all of it. This season will show if that is happening.

If you can't be where you are supposed to be, when you are supposed to be there, you have a limited timeframe as an NFL WR. Almost any decent WR should be able to get open in the scenario of an insane athlete scrambling to allow guys time to work on a DB. We need him to get better across the board. He needs to not just be a freak athlete out there running around but become proficient at his craft. Guys like Devante Adams and Justin Jefferson aren't just great athletes, they are insane tacticians and masters of their craft. If it was all about size/speed, DK Metcalf would be the GOAT.

The issue with this take is that he is still a very raw guy that is going to be 25 at the end of this season. That is literally the timeline where you expect a "raw" college prospect to be fully hitting their stride as an NFL WR. This was always going to be a problem with XL. It's very much not a good sign when you are a 5 year project player. Typically those are the guys that are in the 5th round to UDFA category.

The last round of conference expansions effectively killed my interest in college sports outside of evaluating players for the pros. The TV contracts have destroyed anything watchable about them.

TBH, I don't think a better QB would fix XL. If anything, it would likely expose his flaws further, IMO. I was heavily anti-XL because he was such an unpolished player and an older one at that. So I think the crux of this is that we fall on different sides of that aisle from the start. The thing we should be able to agree on is that XL very much needs to improve(and a lot) or his time here is likely going to be far shorter than either of us should want.