kungfoodude

T-Mac or possibly Walker. Almost everyone else is a trade down, IMO, although you say that is off the table. If you aren't mentioning Sanders being off the table, I would fail to see why a trade down isn't possible, however.

It's basically a nothing answer. Makes sense.

TBD. I think there is enough general uncertainty with what is going to happen at each pick that it could be a prime market to trade.

Hard to say. Depends on if the heat ratchets up on Canales. If so, I suspect the first head on the block is Evero.

I don't think the argument is about the book value but about the player and the overall strength of this draft seeming to be short on elite talent. Add the fact that we have a ton of roster holes and that explains why a lot of us are against it.

Methinks perhaps he is an option if we trade down, which makes a lot more sense.

Which, in that mold, Williams is that kind of guy.

I like Warren as a mid to late 1st but not at 8.

Odd hire for a one year HC.

So basically a very poor man's Brian Burns? Yeah....that worked out so well for us the first time, let's do that again!

He didn't sort of bust. He was a bust.

Most of our issue with 2nd round WR's is picking the wrong guys. I personally don't think Higgins is the wrong guy. That said, I do believe his path to be a star receiver is unlikely.

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Would even consider future draft picks if someone balks at that sort of price.

Trading up would be a stupid move. Trading up to get Carter would be a lightspeed stupid move. Trade down makes infinitely more sense in a draft weak on elite talent but deep in two deep/solid starter talent. It would be a very Tepper Panthers move to get this wrong.

Another thing I keep coming back to, is he really a Bowers distance ahead of Loveland, Taylor, Arroyo, Fannin, etc? I don't see it.

Yeah, I mean the team has been bad for so long it doesn't even make me mad when they fug up anymore. I just laugh about it. It's just who we are at the moment.

None of us has the details to know the truth. The NFL teams have to do a far deeper dive to attempt to gauge the character of any prospect with red flags in their history. If we draft him, the Panthers were satisfied with what they came up with. If we don't, perhaps we weren't(or he just wasn't as high on our board). I am not going to riot either way, unless we draft him and then he has more issues with us.

I suspect he may not drop in the draft as much as people suspect. 3rd or 4th round perhaps. He is too skilled of a football player to drop too far. I think the guy that people are going to be surprised how far he drops is Tez Johnson.

BPA. If he is BPA, you take him. Those expensive guards don't have exceptionally long contracts and if you believe he can play RT, we are about to have an opening there. Can never have enough quality OL on a roster.

"Warren is a bit of an acquired taste, and not everyone has him as the top tight end in the draft. He’s the No. 2 player at the position on my board after Colston Loveland. One team told me Friday that Warren is the fourth player at tight end on their board." This is what I keep telling the Warren stans. He isn't the generational talent they believe he is.

It's rather sad how few of these guys had impactful rookie seasons. It's way more sad that none of them were drafted by us.

Hard pass. Too close to Deshaun Watson for my tastes.

I mean....seriously, at his weight and body type dropping 25 lbs is not a huge deal. It's discipline.

He is a leaps and bounds better goalie than Bad Koochie. Bad Koochie is basically Spencer Martin. We just have to find a way to get Good Koochie back before it's too late and we wear Freddie down having to start 100% of the playoffs.

Yeah, we have zero culture at the moment and maybe a handful of strong veterans. This isn't the Cam/Luke/TD/JStew/Rivera era Panthers. That is something to consider. But, his concerns also seem to be relegated to off the field and not on the field(still matters, just a different impact). Pearce Jr. is the one that seems to be constantly flagged as potentially having some negative locker room impacts.