kungfoodude

A lot of his "antics" were generally nothingburgers inside of a locker room. It was the locker room stuff that got him passed around. All that outside football stuff was only meaningful to the media and by proxy the fans. I have no idea who those fat kids he is with are. If they are streamers, he should have a team around him smart enough to intercept those kind of "opportunities" and shut them down.

Compared to it now??? I mean, there is no question they are far better. Chase and Higgins are better than any current WR on our roster. TMac may be better than them at some point in his career but that point is not now. Coker is better than Iosivas, IMO. I will give that.

No, I mean pre-scrambling. That poo would literally have been pre-college. It's just been a scale of how scrambled he has become since then.

Yeah, I get that being potentially anti-semitic if you tell me that was the intent of the motion but where is the context in that clip?

If you listen to teammates going back to SF he was always a complete nut. Not always in a really bad way, just a general nut. I think the steadily increasing platform amplified his ability to broadcast what a complete nutter he was, therefore all the extra press followed. The only really bad poo that he truly did was creating some locker room rifts a couple of his latter stops. That's the kind of poo that will really make you wear out your welcome. Sounds kind of similar to all the stuff that is coming out about Chris Paul and his split with the Clippers in the NBA. Eventually you aren't a good enough player to deal with all your BS.

The first part is a fine. But....WTF on the second part. He isn't that stupid.

Lol. Oh I will always love Steve but hitting Fitz heights would be a dream scenario for TMac.

It's more likely to have diminishing returns when he starts bulking to the level needed to make a big impact on being yanked down. He is also already not the most fleet of foot, so he would be better off trying to get better fast twitch muscle than actually bulking up to be Jalen Hurts level lower body strength. JMO, but I don't think it matters. I highly doubt you are going to see a major body overhaul in his future.

100%

I hope he has the level of dedication that Fitz had. That would mean we might have our new best WR in franchise history.

Yeah, he is just a naturally smaller framed dude. I don't think bulk would do him a lot of favors. More likely it would hinder his elusiveness and make him an even less effective passer.

Yeah, that would have to be a real breakdown of tape. I will say his first three years in the league were pretty good on the tackling front, so it was a surprise to see those stats.

No doubt but that shouldn't have an impact on the missed tackles. I will say that it is certainly possible that since our LB's and safeties struggle in run support and tackling that perhaps more of these guys are getting back to the CB's than necessary. That's certainly a possibility.

Wilson and Murray are built like RB's. Very stocky and powerful legs. Bryce is built like a tiny, spindly slot WR.

Fitz is sort of like Jerry Rice in that there isn't anything physically that necessarily makes him so elite, they were both just masterful at their craft. Fitz was a MFer in a 50/50 ball scenario, too. One of the best of all-time at that, IMO.

This isn't bashing Horn, I just didn't realize he was trending so poorly on the tackling front the past two seasons. I do remember a couple of really bad ones this season but not that many. It might be something you would need to sit down and look at each play. Maybe going for broke on a strip or diving in desperation after getting beaten badly? It's not something I associate with Horn so it was a surprise to see him being that bad.

Well he was a liability versus the Saints all season, outlier or not.

Honestly, I have this fear, as well. I don't think think there is a gap between what the coaching staff, FO and ownership thinks of Bryce and what the general public/fanbase thinks. I think there is a chasm. IMO, they are basically ready to hand this guy the keys to the franchise and for all the "if Dave Canales had..." lines of logic that people spout, I think he may be bought in the hardest of anyone outside of Tepper.

Yeah, I think people's memories of TO the person dramatically shadow what a truly insane player he was. He was a DK Metcalf level of fitness freak with basically near Jerry Rice level competitive spirit. He was an absolute terror in a time where DB's could absolutely mug elite WR's.

High School???

Lol. Probably?

George and Johnson are similarish level NFL players. Terrell Owens was a HOFer. That will get you a lot more leeway than most other players. And I think people don't appreciate what an insanely elite guy TO was. He was almost a 1k WR at 37.

Yeah, it would be a historic haul, IMO. I also think that people are just really, really, REALLY reading too much into a frustrated guy in an interview. By all accounts he is an extremely competitive person and early retirement doesn't sound like it is in his future for frustration purposes.

I mean.....we aren't mathematically but....we do all know the reality.

So....about that.....