kungfoodude

TBD. Colleges have no unified front at all. It isn't like the NFL where you can band the owners together and come to a silent agreement on a player. College football is almost the most naked version of a free market system. It's fully the wild west. Good. Let the collective greed cause the needed collapse.

That's what happens when you don't come close to that ceiling. You are an overrated, limited player or, much worse, a bust. This class is loaded with talent and loaded with flawed prospects. It's gonna be more of a gamble than normal.

I agree. If you at least have a baseline as a good or great run defender, then you can at least be a functional rotational defender. But, some teams would argue the opposite in that their one trick pony passer rusher serve the inverse purpose. But, a lot of these reasons are why I want to trade down and take some of the heat off of that "top 10 pick" luster. Also want to add more top 90/100 draft capital, obviously. Then maybe we get into the range where some of the actual higher end SKILL level pass rushers like Green or Ezeiruaku are. IMO, those are guys with way, way, WAY higher floors than a lot of the other prospects that are linked to us.

I don't think he has a higher ceiling than Burns at all. It's just that Burns very obviously never reached his ceiling(nor likely ever will). Truthfully, Burns was a considerably better prospect than every DE/EDGE in this draft, to say nothing of an OLB guy like Walker. I do think people forget how amazing Burns was on tape coming from FSU. But, in a tale as old as the NFL itself, there are ample players that have elite tier physical ability that can never fully realize that same elite potential. See Shemar Stewart for a likely strong candidate in this draft to fall victim to this same scenario.

And he is not even close to the talent Burns was.

Try to find anyone who wants Sanders to trade up.

He makes very, very, VERY good points about Walker. We seem to have not been able to utilize other "tweener" type players under Evero. Do we want to invest in another at 8?

He has no real allegiance to Evero and if things don't turn around quickly enough for Tepper, I could see that move being made.

I am not sure if it was or wasn't his decision to bring him back, but I am willing to bet that he fires him next offseason.

I would very much expect a bad to mediocre defense. It is largely bad to mediocre players, so that is to be expected, IMO. Now, all that being said, on paper it has improved. So we should expect that it improves. If that does not happen.....we should be expecting a new DC.

I think that just depends on the issues. It's definitely a big red flag but we don't see the full picture. It could be really bad or it could be not as bad. Could be as simple as him not having the right people around him or it could be he is a selfish, me-first asshole. At this point, we just need to have full faith that our franchise will absolutely due it's due diligence to vet all of these players and to do a thorough evaluation of them as football players. Then we will make the completely incorrect decision.

Love the player but we have to figure out what the situation is with all the character flags. If they adequately answer those, I am all for it. At the end of the day, we will never be privy to the behind the scenes character vetting processes. You may hear rumblings from unofficial sources after the fact but that's about it.

I am okay with him as a trade down option.

That is not the way it works historically. I very highly doubt that. When you look at the insane history of over drafting QB's, I would be very, very, VERY surprised to see him drop outside the top 15. He may not be an elite prospect but he is arguably the best in this class.

Walker I do like quite a bit but I generally think he is a true LB and not an EDGE.

That being said, rookie QB does buy time normally. Veteran QB usually means unemployment if things don't work out. I should also mention I think the Giants will nuke the entire coaching staff and FO next offseason.

This would be great for us if it went this way because Sanders would be on the board and trade ups are on the table.

McCord and Shough I get as backups but we don't need a backup. We literally just resigned Dalton. So expending draft capital on a 3rd QB in the top 5 rounds is not super smart.

This is literally one of the worst QB drafts in recent memory. Anything above a 6th is a waste.

Yes, this same logic could also be used for every player on our roster and practice squad. I wouldn't include basically any of them in the "potential core player" category as I basically outlined it. I don't see him that way because he was a rotational player and I am not sure he will be more than that here. If I am wrong and he really flourishes here, great. That contract will make a lot more sense and I will have more faith in Dan & Co.

Wharton is literally just a rotational player, so I would be shocked if he meets any of those criteria at all. Moehrig is a possibility but we literally haven't even seen him suit up yet. Jackson is possible but I would say unlikely. Wallace meets none of the criteria and I don't particularly see the path forward on that. Hope I am wrong.

Oh 100%. There are some "potential" core players on offense, namely Bryce and Ikey. Could easily be Lewis or Hunt, as well. But I have pretty specific criteria for being a "core" player. - Long or longer term contractual commitment. - Player that is AT LEAST an above average NFL starter at their position. - Be a team leader or locker room leader(does not have to be a rah-rah guy, a leader by example would qualify). Any of Bryce or the OL guys don't tick all of those boxes yet so I don't consider them "core" guys. But the "potential" pool in defense is basically zero.

Yes but that post was in the context of trading up. If you are trading up inside the top 10 of the draft, you need to be very sure about what you are doing. Carter isn’t that, IMO.

On the Panthers?

That is his weakest part of him as a prospect is getting swallowed up in the run game and not having advanced capabilities in the power rush game. I do think he could end up bulking up and just generally getting stronger to bridge that gap, I am just not sure he will ever truly be an elite guy across the board.