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1 hour ago, shaqattaq said:

CMC also had 3,292 receiving yards and 18 receiving TD's for us (per ESPN). I didn't see his YAC, but there were a poo ton of them which is also part of why his totals seemed light to me.

Well, this was a thread about rushing yardage.....

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

I like the Teppers involvement sorry. Rather have an engaged owner and then someone falling asleep in his box seat. And I think this idea that's he's been overruling the coaches have been overblown, he's just been really bad at hiring them. Canales is his attempt at course correction by making it Dan's choice.

The "football guys" are still picked by the owner at the end of the day, there's no way around that so I'd rather the guy be into it. 

 

Meddling dumb owners is the classic way to ruin a franchise. Ask the Redskins.

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

If I ran the teams unless I had elite HOFer type players- Im not paying safety, LBs, or RBs.

I would pour resources into TE and somehow land 2 top 10 guys and pay them the current market/happy money. This is something I believe the NFL is totally wrong on and has been for some time. 

Basically whatever allows me to control the middle of the field, Im spending all the juice there until I reach the level needed. 

Oh boy....this is a borderline post. What was the TE nut that posted here for years until he was banned?

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm really hoping that his input on this off-season's defensive roster moves were of far less significance than we were led to believe about his input last off-season.

Agreed. If not.....oooof.

You have to assume his seat is gonna be pretty hot at this point 

He didn't actually say this but he did a little bit imply it.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, this is a prove it year for Evero IMO. I haven't been impressed. A lot was made of his personal involvement in our defensive free agent acquisitions last year and it culminated in the worst defense in NFL history.

And then you see preseason talks about "Evero guys" like DJ Johnson when everyone can acknowledge his JAG status is pretty evident. 

I think the worst part about the whole Evero fiasco is that we will likely have to do a mild rebuild anyway for his eventual successor with a chunk invested already in "Evero guys."

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, for us to be a playoff team we need a LOT of production out of youngsters in key positions - most notably at WR, TE, and pass rusher. If we don't have some big time impact rookies on those units we aren't gonna have a chance to compete for a playoff spot. If we do have some big time impact rookies on those key position groups and Bryce picks up where he left off down the stretch last year then the future is actually going to look bright for the first time in a long time regardless of what the W-L record is.

I expect improvements but ultimately fan dissatisfaction on offense and slight improvements to the defense which leaves the fanbase loudly calling for Evero's head.

That's my prediction for short term path.

Which, I can be okay with that. I just need to see that we have more OBVIOUS core players emerge. If that happens, I am good.

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I think people who are hyping themselves up about a SB run are getting waaaaaaaay ahead of themselves. Let's just try not to earn a top 10 pick first and try to build from there. I'd love to be in the hunt for a playoff spot. Anything beyond that is massive icing on the cake.

Yeah, I am not gonna freak out if we have another losing season, depending on how it looks. 

People are really getting ahead of themselves with thinking this is a good roster. It COULD be a good roster, just like it could easily be mediocre or bad again.

When you tear the whole franchise down below the foundation, it's bound to take a considerable amount of time to rebuild it. 

IMO, we still have at least two more offseasons of solid building before we are in a position to be a consistent winner. And that's assuming we have a lot of success this past offseason and some of our potential core players actually pan out(Bryce, Ikey, XL, etc).

I am not surprised. I remember looking at all-time franchise rushing in the past couple of seasons and being pretty amazed at how paltry the totals really were.

For CMC, I think people just forget how injury prone he became, hence why his numbers seem low. From 2020 to 2022 he played 16 of a possible 39 games. In fact during that timespan he never again went over 500 rushing yards in a season for us.

The the leaders on that list were far bigger impact players due to their longevity.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Traded up for him smh

Have we ever had a draft trade up work out under Tepper?

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If he's gonna break out, he better do it quick.  He'll be 27 this fall.

He isn't gonna break out. This is why taking an older, project player is goofy.

56 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I found it interesting that Evero would mention DJ Johnson and fail to mention the rookies.  Not that means anything about the rookies, but I can only think of Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy--both became relevant in year 3.  I think he gets cut, but mentioning a player in that manner with 1/2 sack and 25 tackles in 2 years is a bit strange. 

I think he was an Evero type player. I suspect he was a guy that Evero asked for early on and is still one of "his" guys.

Another in a long list of reasons why Evero will eventually have to be canned.

I think the rub is being a dumpster fire team. Same issue the NYG have being on that list.

5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

An upgrade over Tremble makes a lot of sense, injured or not.  I had no idea he was injured and wanted to draft a TE.

I did really think he was an upgrade from Tremble, on paper, hence why I didn't like the pick. But, it does make more sense knowing we need another blocking TE with him potentially out for a bit.

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we resigned him knowing he was going to have back surgery?

I am gonna say that this makes the TE drafted make a LOT more sense now.

17 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So answer these two questions.  Did most media outlets have us ranked in the mid 20s prior to 2015 season? Did we go out and sign aging players anyway?  That's the only comparison I made, you came up with the rest on your own

I assume you were drunk posting yesterday, so I will give you time to read through that entire arc so you can remember.

29 minutes ago, frankw said:

Based on the division from the early 2000's-2010 I would agree 2013-2015 were down years in some ways in comparison. But even that is still tougher than what we've got now.

Look I'll admit Baker Mayfield surprised me and I've always said he's had the phsyical talent but he still has to prove he can sustain the level of play he's been showing. Even there were times last year he looked like hot garbage Baker. That game against us in Charlotte he was putrid.

So don't get me wrong I'm in no way saying this division is a free ride. I'm just saying hot and cold Baker Mayfield and other unproven QB's on rosters with numerous question marks are not much of a comparison to Drew Brees/Sean Payton and Matt Ryan/Julio Jones or Tom Brady/Gronk.

Yeah, the NFC South is basically at a laughingstock level post-Brady/Brees.

8 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Oh youre just an asshole got it.  I never said I thought this team was a superbowl contender or even a player away from anything and you know it.  I was just comparing the situation which is similar even tho you can't see it.  I'm sure if the team did somehow make it to the playoffs this season, 10 years from now you will claim to have known it all along.  

I mean, I never once made the comparison to our 15-1 season culminating a Super Bowl appearance. I did say, numerous times, how completely unhinged that is. However, you doubled and tripled down on it. 

Lol. All this is available to read in the thread above.

But, keep digging that booze hole deeper. It will just make a very funny aside later in the season.

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

2015 Panthers are a good example that anything can happen given that when Kelvin Benjamin went down nobody had us pegged as a playoff team. But we did win a lot of close games. There were also times where luck clearly went our way. But there were also other times where leaders on the team stepped up and made big time plays at crucial moments. And to be clear that was in what was IMO a much much more competitive iteration of the NFC and certainly our division. If the Panthers can't at least compete for a shot at the playoffs in these circumstances then everyone involved should be embarrassed.

Well remember the division was on the decline at that time. We won it at 7-8-1 the year before. We were the only playoff team and team above .500 in 2015.

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Lol okay you have your opinion I have mine.  If they decide to go after Jalen Ramsey, I will be okay and you will be upset. Nothing new

I am not going to be upset, I just really won't understand the thought process unless he is interested in sticking around long term.

I definitely am not going to buy Super Bowl tickets if it happens, which I am assuming you are browsing just in case we do trade for him?

13 hours ago, ChuckWag78 said:

Now this is where some of you need to give Tepper his due. His money is why we can give these types of guarantees to USDA with, such seemingly, disregard.  

Only the top 51 roster spots count toward the cap for a given year, so any money thrown toward UDFAs is 100% a lure to get them here. 

It is absolutely a competitive advantage his billions bring this team. 

I don't think it will make a HUGE difference because of the low hit rate but it is a great way to tilt the scale in your favor when it comes to signing.

Makes me wonder if eventually the NFL owners will get mad and tighten the rules on UDFA contracts.

49 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Most media outlets had them ranked in the mid 20s at this time in 2015.  So regardless of what you think, not many believed they were a deep playoff threat.  So when they went out and traded for Jared Allen and signed Peanut Tillman, both aging vets, they did so even tho no one thought they had a chance.  The team should always think they have a chance and 2015 proves that.  

Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer also thought they were always a couple of moves away. How did that work out?

You are conflating two INSANELY different scenarios in a syphilitic fashion. We have zero winning culture here. Arguably we are in the infancy of even establishing a clear football culture of any sort given the ridiculous turnover rates. 

We are very lucky that Morgan resisted the need to do what fans like you want and spend like drunken sailors on aging veterans for the "win now" mentality that Rhule/Fitterer had. It appears that he is smart enough to realize this is a long, difficult process to completely build a winning franchise from the ground up with zero foundation to build upon.

Hence why we leaned towards younger FA's and didn't make a bunch of panicked and ignorant draft moves(not that I agreed with all of them). There seems to be an actual blueprint in place for the first time in years. Now, I don't know the result or if they will even be afforded the time to execute it but going full Fitterer is the last thing we want. Hell, we are just now finally recovering from that period.

9 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Josh Norman was hot and cold and often injured before 2015.  Jared Allen was traded to us in September of 2015, so he wasn't there in May of 2015.  No one outside of Carolina knew who Coleman was.  I will give you the rest, but there's no way you would think with those players that we were going to make a deep playoff run.

Yeah, no one could have ever thought a very talented team that went 12-4 two years prior, had lost in the divisional round of the playoffs two straight years in a row and won the division two straight years would be at all successful. 

I will give you 15-1 and Super Bowl was unexpected but comparing them to this team is absolutely, lightspeed insane.

I get it was a holiday weekend but that level of drinking seems unsafe. Also, history is very likely to be unkind to that prediction.

By all means, please tell us about upcoming Super Bowl appearance and 17-0 season.

38 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I didn't say we were as good as 2015, what I'm saying is you never know and you can't build you're team as if you do

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If you're saying that you knew, in May of 2015, that the Panthers, after going 7-8-1, were going to make a deep playoff run 2015, you're lying.  Nobody thought this team was going to go 15-1 and most thought we were going to miss the playoffs. 

I am not sure what triggered you to keep replying to the same post but we all knew the level of talent on the team at the time AND in hindsight in 2015. How it came together was anyone's guess but these players were not unknowns:

Cam Newton

Jonathan Stewart

Greg Olsen

Ryan Kalil

Trai Turner

Charles Johnson

Star Lotulelei

Kawaan Short

Jared Allen

Luke Keuchly

Thomas Davis

Josh Norman

Kurt Coleman

That's just the list of KNOWN entities even at that time. Guys who might start on that team? POSSIBLY Brown and probably Horn? Maybe a couple of OL?

It's such an insanely better roster at the time AND in hindsight that it's laughable to literally compare them.

Not to mention....we already had a winning culture in Carolina. There isn't a single player on this roster that we have drafted that was on a winning team outside, what? LS and RT?

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I’d throw a 4th at it but nothing more than that.  The fact that the cap space can be reclaimed when needed makes it only a risk on a locker room/team chemistry basis.

I like Ramsey plenty but I don't think this fits for us or him unless he just wants to be here for some strange reason. In that scenario, sure. I suspect it is more likely that he has no desire to come to Carolina at all.