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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Its bad but we're only 2 games in. Just accepting it and doing nothing sends a worse message IMO. We should make a move for a QB that we could at minimum have as legit camp competition next year so we can move on from Dalton. 

The time to do that has passed. It was during the offseason and the draft.

I mean....the message was sent years ago when this roster was destroyed and subsequently never went anywhere.

24 minutes ago, VintagePanther said:

Watch some of Jalen Carter tape he does the same and actually finish his tackles in the backfield . If all brown is , is a glorified nose tackle then we over paid for his services . Too many games where you never notice him. He should be a game wrecker at a 100 million he’s not . Burns actually produced here but the huddle hated him for some odd reason . The huddle hates anyone that produces then when they shining on another team they cry about why we let them go . 

Burns was and is not worth what he is getting paid(like you are saying about Brown). Good player, for sure, but never has been dominant. Likely never will be.

10 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Put some money on it. 

That's one of those bets you really have to convince an IRL sportsbook to do, typically for a pretty large wager. 

I have been trying to get one to give me favorable odds on Panthers not having a winning season before 2030 for the past two offseasons. No takers yet, even though I offered a five figure bet up.

33 minutes ago, Panthering said:

Just pointing out how ridiculous you sounded making that sorry, of course being an NFL starter isn't end all be all. Glad you made a mountain out of a mole hill. 

I am pretty sure I am not the one sounding ridiculous lauding a guy that looks like a poor man's Kyle Allen. But, carry on.

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No telling. Tepper has a crazy quick trigger finger at times but then will keep guys like Hurney and Rhule hanging around after everyone is ready to pull the plug on the failure.

He does seem to allow GM's more rope than HC's. I assume that is just "access" so to speak.

19 minutes ago, t96 said:

Yeah Smitty was like 5’9 and excelled at this. I don’t mean high jump balls but contested throws in general.

Smitty had that dawg in him. XL has a sea slug in him.

45 minutes ago, Panthering said:

Dollar Tree Sam Howell yet he's starting in the league and Sam Howell isn't? Sound analysis my friend.

You paid attention to that roster down there at all?

Did that logic work for Howell/Winston when they were starting? How about Josh Rosen? JaMarcus Russell?

I guess starting in the NFL is now the litmus test for being a good NFL starter? All hail HOF QB, PJ Walker!

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

From a fan's perspective? Sure. But Canales and Morgan might not have until the next off-season given the state of this dumpster fire and we have a lot of other young offensive pieces to try to evaluate.

Yeah, I don't disagree.

I am also skeptical of how close to the hot seat these guys really are.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If we're trying for a bandaid this season I don't want to spend much. 

How about just lay back and let it happen? No Matt Rhule BS. 

I am tired of panicked dum-dum roster moves for a bad team. The team is bad, whether we have Bryce or not.

Just now, Panthering said:

Jake Delhomme literally took us to a Super Bowl............. 

Spencer Rattler is Dollar Tree Sam Howell. Sam Howell is Dollar General Jameis Winston.

I know that we suck at QB but maybe shoot a little higher than bottom third of the NFL QB backup. 

Everyone isn't an outlier. I swear fans desperation has them ignoring all logic and reasoning.

1 hour ago, Panthering said:

The Saints keep trying to replace Spencer Rattler, if they do that this offseason in the draft, I would be trading for him immediately. Guy has an NFL arm and continuing to develop. Has flashed these first two games this year. 

Spencer Rattler sucks. Can we please stop dumpster diving. It has never ended well for us.

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only potential immediate solution I can see is trying to trade a late round pick for someone's backup QB that actually has NFL tools.

NFL defenses have thoroughly figured out how to take away the things Bryce actually does well. If I'm an opposing HC I'm telling my DC to do NOT let up and go soft unless we're up big late in the 4th. Start focusing on containment with the pass rush and playing soft zone behind it and you're just giving Bryce a life line. You're giving him all the stuff he actually does well while focusing on taking away the stuff he struggles with. Just keep the pressure on and stick to the game plan, we're not playing a typical NFL QB that might make you pay by burning you deep while you're being aggressive.

I wouldn't waste a late round pick on a 3rd string QB. You can just use that late round pick to get one.

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, it's an old school offense in reality.  You got to find players to make plays.  The O isn't just going to create it with just anyone. 

I didn't say we needed a game breaking WR.  We literally just need players that can push and hope to create some YAC because Bryce isn't' going to stress a D deep enough (which has fugged up the O every season he has played including Franks)

AT and Renfrow included don't offer YAC at the slot.  That's not what either are.  Slot is the easiest place to get some.  Obviously, I don't want my dude Renfrow benched.  He has a purpose.   But the Panthers need to start searching for solutions.   We got zero real quickness on the field. 

And hell, I don't even know if Horn really offers it because the Panther preseasons tell you virtually nothing about dudes

TMac and Sanders are the only two of our receivers in the middlish of the pack(1.0 and 0.6/R) for Expected YAC/R above actual YAC/R. Hilariously, XL is 2nd to last in the NFL at -3. Only Diggs is lower at -6.

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Panthers desperately need someone they can rotate in that got real speed to hopefully turn some underneath stuff into bigger plays.  Renfrow is great but he is just a chain mover.  I do wish they would try to turn the slot into a 2 man show.  Get Horn up for some light passing down work.  But I get that's a lot of small bodies to have active game day that only do slot work. 

I think the game breaker WR is a bit overrated. Not that they don't have value but a finely tuned offense will produce open players and big plays without the need for a Ted Ginn Jr.

The tuning on this offensive machine is anything but fine.

1 minute ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Based on what everyone in house is saying, he cares a lot and gets really down on himself. I don't think it's lack of effort, I think he's overthinking everything and playing with no instinct or physicality at all.

I am sure it may eat at him but if his response is to just basically not try, then I think this story is essentially over. The NFL is not for the weak. It's a tough slog to maintain a spot in this league 

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When Coker comes back we have to replace XL in the lineup with him. Playing XL at this point practically amounts to playing 10 vs. 11.

100% agree. A lineup of TMac, Coker and Renfrow might actually be an above average NFL WR corps for the first time in forever.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In 118 snaps so far this season, Xavier Legette has managed to amass an entire 8 more yards of offense than a Huddle poster.

4 catches for 8 yards and 1 rushing attempt for 0 yards.

I formally apologize to TMJ and Mingo for comparing them to XL this offseason. You guys deserve better than that.

On 9/17/2025 at 9:24 AM, Waldo said:

Not much to tear down on the roster. A few contracts to dump but really pretty bare bones due to years of poor management and not being able to get more expensive people to come into their mess. 

100% on holdovers. The problem is the Teppers will be a part of the hiring at some level, which they have failed at in every way. I can't see a way around that hurdle unless it's pure luck at this point.

We did a complete roster tear down after 2018. Everyone here was clamoring for it, while I was not. Competent and competitive franchises never do this. They constantly retool. It keeps continuity even across staffs and helps maintain a certain level of culture.

That is all now gone from our organization. We have no culture, we have no continuity. It's basically just a bunch of guys drifting through on their way other places or out of the league. 

This is why you never tear down a roster and especially without any stability or structure in the FO. 

We doomed ourselves to failure from the first moment of Tepper's era. He tore down everything and rebuilt in "his" image.

Look upon it, Panther fans. This is exactly what you asked for and these are the results.

I see a lot of talk about loss of confidence and I believe there is an element of that. 

But it's the lack of effort on tape that is the real concern. Confidence can perhaps be fixed but just mailing it in is a whole different ball game.

16 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

This game determines a lot moving forward. Big difference between 1-2 and 0-3. Pats, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets after this. None of which are impossible. 
 

I haven’t worn one of my jerseys on game day in a long time. Maybe I break out the vintage blue Peppers

If we win 2+ games in that stretch, I would say we are on schedule to meet expectations. Anything less and I think DC might actually have a shot at getting fired by the end of the year.

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

We don’t even have to do all of this. Why hasn’t a QB been good here since Cam Newton? 

Because we suck at QB talent evaluation, especially with respect to the NFL Draft.

We have only had one above average starting caliber QB even on the roster since Cam, Baker Mayfield. And that was typical roster dysfunction that led to him being axed. Wilks didn't like Baker so he essentially canned him. Another of many reasons why I will never understand how some fans get so stuck up on Wilks as being this "missed opportunity." He was a bottom shelf NFL HC. He only looked good because we had that retarded nitwit, Matt Rhule as a HC prior to him. 

Anyway, our QB issues are all self inflicted. We can't evaluate worth a fug and then when we get mildly serviceable(Bridgewater) or potentially starting caliber(Mayfield) options, we fug it up.

9 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He would be more exciting but it would probably end up like shooting off fireworks in the house.

Yeah, I don't think it would. Might want to review the tape on the past two preseasons with him. The game I saw there was a massive gulf between him and Kyle Allen. Hence why he got cut.

1 hour ago, UnluckyforSome said:

4 wins was my prediction, but I thought there was a chance with the right breaks and a little luck, to maybe reach 6 or 7. 

I kind of feel 4 might be stretching my optimism a little too far.

That said, it is a crazy easy slate of games, except we are crazy bad, and crazy inept and crazy incapable.

Yeah, I was on the 4 to 7 bandwagon since probably the draft. 

If we go 0-5 to start......man

4 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I honestly think he cares more about Charlotte FC, but that would imply he can do something right. So idk

He 100% does not. The NFL team has skyrocketed in value. It has served the purpose it was supposed to serve, regardless of the on field results.

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

They didn't need Hooker in the first place, but perhaps they had seen enough. Hooker was never highly regarded as a day one or day two pick either. He was a flyer.

Green Bay did it right. They had an established QB whose expiration date was within their sight, and drafted a day one (some may have thought day 2) and let him sit for a few years before throwing him into the fire and effectively messing him up. 

We don't have an ideal situation, and will likely be long for one. If we had kept Darnold or Baker, we may be in that type of situation which would've afforded us the ability to draft a QB on day one or two and give them time to develop. 

Getting back to Hooker, the only thing that I said is that I'd rather see him. The season is largely fúcked anyways. I can't even say that it's right or fair to throw him out there, but I'm so tired of mentally dealing with the Bryce Young rollercoaster. I've seen enough. Never again will I be open to drafting a short guy at QB. 

 

I saw Hooker live in Detroit. He. Stinks.