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9 hours ago, DavidEng said:

Game 4, 5-1 in the 2nd, Oilers finally opened Bob up like a can of sardines. It’s what they had to do. Bob pulled.

We will see how he recovers. It could be the single event that opens the floodgates or it could just be a blip on the radar.

13 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

They almost had kk tied to Necas at the trade deadline. So it’s possible and I believe it’s one of the things they are trying to do with the Necas trade. Canes will probably retain some of his salary but not a lot of it and get a haul for Necas at the same time. 

I will dislike losing Necas but if we can unload KK too, that would be worthwhile.

It gives us a ton of flexibility moving forward.

On 6/13/2024 at 8:04 PM, CPF4LIFE said:

Well...if bryce doesnt make a pro bowl by next year and even if he does is everybody ready to give him damn near 300 million? Because thats what its gonna be.

If we gave Bryce an extension after 2 years of a 5 year deal, you can just shut the doors to the facility and move the team wherever you want. 

I mean, I would say that about just about any rookie we have. That's just plum retarded.

5 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The men aren't just guys on a football field anymore. They're constantly part of an interaction with the fan base through press conferences and actions and events outside of the football field. John Madden was one of the best commentators of all time because of how well he could relate to the audience. There's been a laundry list of terrible ones. You don't know Cam or Sam any more than I do. So for to pass judgement that I somehow can't be a football fan because I relate to one player more than I do another is stupid. 

Cam is one of the best players to lace up for Carolina and that is truly sad. Not because of anything Cam did, but because this team has been historically so bad. I like Cam the player and loved how he played so passionately. I also don't think he's a HoF QB or even gets onto the ballot once. I don't think his game rose to that level except one magical season. You can disagree and that's fine. But just because we don't agree doesn't qualify my opinion as hateful or uneducated. It's just different than yours. 

Yeah, I don't give two flying fugs about Cam dressing like a Harry Potter character or Sam Darnold supposedly being nice.

One of these players is the best QB in franchise history and the other was arguably the worst.

Hence why I say the logic test and the football statement. 

If people want to root for the guy with the better social media or the one that gives the best interviews on some dumb show on ESPN, that's cool. Just understand that you aren't actually a football fan.

Football fans care about football above almost everything else. The stuff that happens outside the lines, I couldn't really care less about.

This is essentially just the Taylor Swift fans watching KC. Zero of them cared about football. Same with anyone who got all butthurt about Cam's goofy dressing or his goofy celebrations. 

13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I know a lot of people who don't think Cam is the QB god he's made out to be. They don't hate him, but they also don't think he's a HoF qb. They were more tired of the fans falling all over him and ignoring some of his weaknesses because he could truck a LB without slowing down. 

Same people like Darnold because He's a likable enough guy and easy to root for.  They also realize he has talent, but is scatterbrained and gonna make a lot of money as a career backup. 

Cam has a very different personality and I think you either relate to it or you don't. The whole outfit thing caused a disconnect for a lot of people, coupled with a lack of winning, changed people's perspective about him. Doesn't mean they were right, I think it just caused a disconnect. 

No, it's a very simple logic test for a Panthers fan.

One is one of the best players in franchise history and our only NFL MVP. The other is a typical first round complete bust.

If you really have to get in the minutiae of their personalities or what they are wearing, once again, football is just not really for you. 

I think KK stays and we try to move him mid-season or next season. That contract is going to require some salary cap jumps to make it more palatable.

Super amped to keep Chatty around. Majorly underrated player on our team.

39 minutes ago, SaltAndPepper said:

Not quite. doing it again when it hasn't worked before, now THAT would be a panthers move. 

Not like it hasn't worked before. Who have we last signed or attached a year extra onto his contract before... oh... checks Sam Darnold Notes... oh dear god 

2 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

A's are going to move to Vegas. Charlotte is definitely one of the worst sports towns. Others in that list: Toronto, Oakland, DC, San Diego, Nashville, San Jose, Orlando, Sacramento, Portland, Jacksonville, Montreal, and Salt Lake City.

IMO, the single team cities shouldn't really count. They are barely pro sports cities.

1 hour ago, travisura said:

It's Charlotte and Detroit. Hornets and Pistons are both ass. The Lions success last year doesn't undo decades of poor to mediocre play. Panthers I don't need to explain. Both the Tigers and the Red Wings haven't had any real success over the last decade. Detroit has 3 sucky teams and one good one that was sucky forever. Charlotte just has two sucky ones, but doesn't have a good one to rest their laurels on, so it's probably a wash.

He said right now and the Lions are an overwhelmingly better franchise at the moment, so it would be CLT that is worse if you are talking recently.

If you are talking historically, it's even more overwhelmingly CLT because the Pistons have multiple titles and were a power team spanning many years, despite their current dumpster fire status.

Plus, historically the Hornets/Bobcats/Bobnets have collectively had some of the worst owners in the last 40 years of NBA basketball.

23 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A GAMBLE.

Should we stop drafting players?

The Tepper Panthers aren't playing poker, they are buying scratch offs.

56 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

Team hasn't even taken a snap this year and we are already talking about wait till next year. This was a luxury pick that I don't think is going to pan out unless hes a reincarnation of Thomas Davis. The NFL breaks players why draft one already broke...

I was a luxury pick because IMO because it was reaching for a position at a time that just wasn't necessary. I am all for BPA but I don't believe Brooks will be significantly better than some of the other guys in the 3rd to 4th round. Not enough to warrant passing on better players of higher positional value. That's not even touching the roster needs specifically.

That was always my problem with the pick. It's, once again, the team projecting that they just know better than everyone else when that has so very rarely proven to be the case in the last few years.

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

This person consistently shows a fully functional brain and is able to use it quite frequently without grabbing his pitchfork and rushing the castle at midnight angrily with ever shred of news that is not exactly what we hope for.

I get the sentiment. Our franchise is literally in shambles and there is really next to no hope of any improvement. As our former coach loved to say, it is what it is.

I hope that he doesn't end up a bust because we really can't afford to keep reaching on picks like we did with Brooks and then whiffing. 

I wouldn't expect much, if any, impact from Brooks in 2024. Even if the ACL is healed, it isn't abnormal for players to take several weeks or months even after they are 100% to fully "trust" their knee again. 

Honestly, he's a RB. It isn't that relevant that he even plays in the short term because he was a luxury pick in the first place. We just need him to heal up and stay healthy afterwards. 

4 hours ago, travisura said:

Darnold is never going to figure it out, and Wilks ceiling is .500 level coach with maybe a shot at a wild card one and done every year. Neither were the answer.

Didn't think there'd still be Darnold truthers in 2024 but here we are.

I will never understand how we have a portion of our fanbase to hate Cam but also a portion that loves Sam Darnold.

There is no better logic test on the planet than that. If you fail it, football is not for you.

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Why not sign this guy as third stringer and let him develop. 

He is developing better there than he would in the NFL. Let that continue and in a year or two, maybe he is ready 

2 hours ago, NAS said:

It couldn’t have helped. He should’ve used his mechanics better and save the cannon arm for when you really need it. I remember in 2013 -2014 being frustrated with Cam for throwing it too hard on easy short completions.  We were spoiled 

And boy did we not understand how good we had it too. Man, if I only knew then.

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Fair, sure.  Still not worthy of the #1 pick and still has major issues.  And you absolutely have to be concerned that for bryce to make a nfl caliber throw the conditions have to be optimal around him.  And those sacks around the 10 minute mark are just brutal to watch.

Well, the thought was also that he would be broken instantly by his preseason detractors when actually the most physically impressive of all of the drfay prospects was the one who got so thoroughly broken in his rookie season.

Bryce certainly proved to be more durable than most anticipated but.....that's not a long term success strategy. Doesn't matter how tough you are, those hits take a toll.

He needs to learn to play smarter and avoid contact like a lot of the smaller NFL QB's do. 

35 minutes ago, NAS said:

But his arm wasn't destroyed due to his throwing motion, it was from essentially two hits / injuries.  Tackle to prevent a pick 6 due to a lazy Benjamin route in 2016.  That was the start of having to be on a pitch count in practice.  2018 TJ Watt hit after Cam had already adjusted his mechanics and was having his best year statistically speaking, although I remember even that year questioning if he can still sling it deep. 

Yeah and maybe it was more the hits than the wear and tear, I guess we will never really know.

I personally don't think it helped being such an arm thrower most of his career.

45 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Insightful and reinforces the narrative which in my mind are based on fact.

1. BY has talent and there is legitimate reason to believe he has potential to play at this level and be successful although I’m not sure what successful means just yet. Main factors contributing to the uncertainty are:

2.  The OL and receivers sucked and didn’t help last year.

 3.  Footwork and mechanics need to drastically improve alas it greatly highlights his limiting factors which are size and arm strength.  

#2 was addressed on paper (hundreds of millions pieces of paper).  Better line and protection. Better receivers.  

#3 is being worked on based on Canales talking points and coaching. 
 

We should know what he is capable of and what his ceiling is this season.  I hope for the best but I am prepared for the worst. 

The thing is, he was pitched as a lower risk, lower ceiling QB that was basically ready to play out of the gate. Turns out, the higher risk, higher ceiling guy in Stroud was the actual ready to play QB from that draft.

I realize that there is no reasonable scenario where we make that trade and sit Bryce Young but the reality is, he would have benefited perhaps the most from largely being a 2nd or 3rd string QB for 2-3 seasons to work on all his flaws and get adjusted to the NFL level.

I can't say he'd be an elite QB at the end of that, but I don't think he would be trending bust as rapidly as he currently is.

1 hour ago, L-TownCat said:

I’m not much for Cam slander, but that was his worst drawback.  People tend to forget just how frustrating that was.

And quite a bit of that was him never really tightening up his throwing mechanics until his arm was already shot. 

He said he bought too much into that Superman mentality on his podcast. I think that was another element of that. His arm was so fuging strong that he just never really thought he needed to focus on tightening up that aspect of his game, IMO. Well, literally not until his arm had already been destroyed.

5 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I mean the interception injury he ran down that KB gave up on and the TJ Watt shoulder hit basically did Cam in. He could probably still launch a better 30 yarder off platform than BY

Yes but he had previous shoulder issues. That was the very large nail in that coffin.

Sadly, I am not sure Cam's arm is much stronger than Bryce. We remember him in New England and his return here. The decline was really far. 

Given how recent his league MVP and SB appearance was to his career ending(effectively) injury, he will go down as one of the biggest "what could have been" stories of this era.

Very, very sad.

15 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Eh so 10 minutes of game manager highlights and a couple minutes of the truth. His arm strength can't get it done unless he gets his feet set, but he's too short to set his feet with a rusher in his face so..I guess those $150M guards better pay off. I actually do like this guys videos but I disagree about the arm strength, lots of guys could have gotten the ball where it needed to be off platform that Bryce just lobs/underthrows/throws behind in those situations

I mean, Cam had the arm strength to make those throws without his feet set but it also was one of the factors that led to his arm getting destroyed over time. No QB needs to be making those off platform throws or without their feet being set often, because they are lower percentage throws(usually) and they are more difficult on your body overall.

Bryce's physical limitations weren't a complete unknown. He is a moderately below average NFL arm even if his feet are set and he has time. That's not what will solely keep him from being successful. It definitely is a career limiting factor, however.

27 minutes ago, nogoodbum said:

Ever since Tepper bought the team we have been hyped as "play-off bound" by somebody, Starting with RR/MH [95%MH], then MR/MH, then MR/SF, then the super-max hype from FR/SF. Tepper is guilty of falling for it along with a lot of Huddlers [even those that will never admit it] We are hardly the first team to have both a bad HC & GM. When we get to 10-20 years of such then we'll fit in with the worst. As far as next season goes: I am looking for improved play pointing to long term success. If Bryce proves what I think wrong & turns into a NFL QB great. But right now I'm looking at the other players proving themselves for 2025 & 2026 & beyond.

Agreed. It's about trying to salvage what we can of the last 3 or so drafts. If we can scrape more than two or three solid starters out of that bunch, it's a fuging start. And we gotta start somewhere.

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

That's one way if looking at it, for sure, and I think that opinion is justified. But it's still just an opinion shaded through the lenses of suck that has taken place since Rhule got in.

Like I said above, I think we have the foundation for a good team. Not that we are a good team, but we have the foundation for one. That's what I see and I see us building that with Morgan and Canales.

Last year was as bad as it's going to get and it's going to get better this year and going forward. That's just

how I see it.

One of us will be right. I hope I am. But neither of us know for sure at this point because we haven't played a game.

Yeah, I hope you are right too. Would love nothing more than to be wrong.

2 hours ago, Mage said:

Panthers aren't in a great spot, but plenty of examples in teams in spots similar to us turning it around within 2-3 years.  All it takes is one.

Hell, look at all the takes about the Texans 2 years ago.  Yeah they got CJ Stroud, but who knows what is in store for the Panthers?  Maybe we get our CJ Stroud in 2025 or 2026.  You just never know.  I don't think you can call a 2-3 year turnaround unrealistic though.

I think if you look at the past decade or so of drafting and free agency, the Texans have done significantly better. Doesn't mean they are significantly better as a franchise necessarily but they are definitely way ahead of where we are in 2024.