mav1234

Good breakdown, tho I'll note the only reason he's in this discussion is a lot of the concerns you identified with his style of play did change in his final year. His AYA went up to 9.7, he was pushing the ball down field a lot, his turnovers drastically declined (down to an int% on 1.4% of his throws with 9 total on the year). That said I still don't think he's a good investment for us. I just don't think he is a franchise QB... As you point out his big step forward came with an exceptional season from a WR too. He had an OK 2020 but I would have liked to see more from him earlier. He's been compared to a more athletic Derek Carr with a slightly worse arm as a rough approximate of how he could end up in the NFL and I can see that. People (not saying you) don't always know or remember that Teddy actually looked different in college in terms of willingness to go deep and in terms of mental toughness and decision making he excelled. However relative to pickett, there were concerns with his frame/build and arm strength. Pickett has big pluses on that. Minor correction also, Pickett only had 10 fumbles lost total, 5 as a freshman, with only 2 last year. Can't really call them turnovers if they aren't lost. His numbers in both total fumbles and fumbles lost were not really very different from many other prospects the last few years.

Draft grades don't always predict player success... But if Pickett ends up having a career like Matt Ryan I suspect he'll go down as a good pick for whomever takes him.

I believe Pickett has a better arm (in terms of strength) than Jones. But no, Rhule won't develop any kind of good offense around anyone. Any QB we take will probably look atrocious. Unless McAdoo manages to work some magic, which I doubt he will. darnold being on the roster and liking him more than Jones/Fields or something dumb, probably. But Pickett isn't really like Mac Jones as a prospect, I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong... Pickett seems significantly more mobile and athletic than Mac Jones. He's not nearly as mobile as Malik Willis but he's not gonna get called a statue like Jones occasionally did. I still think his ceiling isn't likely to be very high tho and I'd rather gamble on a first round QB than go with something safe. Ofc, Fields was the player to do that with annndd...

This isn't accurate. I don't think he is a top 10 pick. But based on people that judge QBs far better than I can, he has a first round grade.

Good luck with the job and hope it works out for you. I'll miss your little nuggets but totally understandable. Still looking forward to your general draft content of course.

Picketts line was good, and he had one very, very good receiver... But he looks very good moving around and has imo an underrated arm on this board. I don't hate him in the least. My issue is that I do not trust Rhule to properly evaluate him because of the college connection...

I mean you're right in this post but let's be real, Morgan didn't go to Temple or Baylor so he never had a real shot.

A lot of what I've heard is that Pickett was basically fine and polished, had one bad day, but the hand questions just amplified between having trouble on a rainy day and refusing measurements. Willis improved during practice but he's sooooo raw, especially in reading defenses.

Tbh, drafting a bad qb in the first isn't the death sentence it used to be. More and more teams are willing to move on after a couple years, during which time other aspects of the team can grow too. I'd still rather not draft Pickett at 6 but oh well.

Watch us trade down to get the picks to trade for him lol

Pickett is such a disgustingly fitting Rhule pick. What disturbs me most isn't actually that we might take Pickett it's the obvious reason why - the fuging college connection.

No kidding. I'm worried about just how raw Willis appears to be but apparently he is doing very well at taking to coaching and direction at the Senior Bowl. Given what appears to be a very high ceiling I think he's my preference at 6 if not OT. So we will probably draft Pickett. Or a corner. Can always use more corners.

He actually hasn't been a disaster tho... He had a very bad day 2 in the rain but had a good day 3. I think Willis has more potential, but the Pickett narrative isn't entirely what I've been seeing from media sources like below

A myth by fans? Didn't Proehl admit Smitty was a toxic player near the end?

this is hilariously fitting.

Probably, but one never knows...

Flores.

fug yes please please please Christmas may come late to Panthers fans after all

7 year plan. It's a good one. Basically, he leaves year 3 after moderate success for more money and maybe if you're lucky you can make out like Baylor with an even better coach! What's not to want?

Rhule and Apple can both suck and be terrible. But only one of them is getting ready for the most important football game of the year, so...

Trading down in a draft where there's no valuable QBs is significantly harder. Hopefully for us either an OT we want or a player someone else wants to trade up for drops. I'm just skeptical of the later (but there's enough decent OTs the former seems realistic).

I think everyone on the draft a QB train explicitly means "if there's one with a high first round grade there". Like if by some miracle all 5 picks before us are QBs, the value wouldn't be there (probably won't be if more than one is taken before us tbh). The same is true of the "OL no matter what" crowd, imo.

If Rhule let's McAdoo have a heavy hand in the QB evals I'd be more comfortable. But I don't see Rhule taking a QB since he needs to save his job.

Between this post and the idea of rehabbing Daniel Jones I realized I do still care about the team based on the awful wretching feeling I just felt in my gut. Mostly because both those scenarios make so much sense.

Oh for sure, although I think that Brady was in over his head and didn't have a true NFL mentor here, which fuged him too imo. Last year we saw consistent problems with getting plays in on time, same problem in 2020. And while Cam (and tbh to an extent early Darnold) did improve on red zone effexiency he still has vexing situational playcalls. Time and time again, Rhule failed to respect how much actual NFL experience matters... I think Brady can be good with a good mentor.