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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Its the Shaq offseason program.  Get fat and do nothing until the season starts.  Worked for him.

Or he had to take it extra easy this offseason after carrying his WR room to a championship last year

How in the fug is Thomas still on the team? That guy is a litmus test for if the current staff will fail. Did they keep Thomas? Ohh well maybe next year...

Hey when you get a ring you are allowed to let it go...Well times that by 3.

Smith had 3 ST TDs and only 20 targets as a rookie WR. I still remember one play he went deep, beat his coverage and just couldn't come down with it. He was so pissed and they stopped going to him much after that. Yeah he flashed that year and also showed he needed to keep working. 

It's a bad comparison. Go watch a video of both's rookie years and tell me they are the same or close...And if Bryce was drafted in the 3rd also then we wouldn't be having this conversation because we would all be talking up the #1 QB pick this year.

7 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

Laughing is pretty juvenile. I'll say this much, he's probably more level-headed than I am because if I were in his shoes and got laughed at on the way to potentially washing out from the league because I didn't belong ON the field due to physical limitations, I could still very much belong OFF the field...where I could be vengeful and inflict all sorts of chaos on players on the field, whether I was in the booth, on a podcast, in a front office, or in the commissioner's office where I'd probably get paid more than they ever will without any risk of bodily harm...but I'm not bitter, I promise lol.

He has $9.49 million to smile about and soften that blow of failure. No one likes to fail but ending up with that bank account number sure doesn't look like complete failure in any worse case scenario for him. 

And laughing is awesome, especially at your enemies. This is still football right? I don't know about it being confirmed but it's believable. Stinks to be on the receiving end but thems the breaks. 

43 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I feel this too

i reallywish i didnt

those are behemoths out there and their  speed and closing speed us ungodly fast

in the pros, they are all good. There is no college level player to be  picked  on

i  saw the Saints bench laughing at Young  in the pocket

i dont feel he belongs in the pros. I feel he will be below average due ti physical limitations. 

A chunk of those 60+ sacks were on him. Fans here were pissed when PFF didn't blame Ickey for sacks Young created by running so far back out of protection or holding the ball too long. And average time to throw even with all of those blown plays from the OGs, that means on other plays he had more time and still couldn't do anything with it. 

He should have gone in the early 3rd like Wilson. That was always his value but a bunch of college fans and media experts giving their laziest take allowed him to be way overhyped. Nice guy and he is durable for his size, that's all he has going for him in the NFL.

4 hours ago, CRA said:

I do think there are limitations of Bryce in a traditional pro pocket.  I don't think putting Bryce under C and asking him to play a simplistic traditional role is a fix for him.  We might squeak out a win we didn't last year but that's not developing him to reach whatever ceiling he has

I think he is going to have to be in the shotgun playing a little untraditional....you just need the weapon and scheme to make him dangerous.   He is a unicorn of sorts.  It's like asking Cam Newton to play the game as Peyton Manning did as a rookie.  You are going to have a bad time.  Cam wouldn't' of been rookie of the year.  He would have been benched. 

We drafted a unique QB....and nothing about our HC hires and offensive visions say we as an organization get that. 

I don't have a Bryce issue.  I think our org is clueless under Tepper and I think Tepper is creating bad marriages that don't work.

It's both. He didn't see well in the shotgun either. The only positive this year IMO is that they will be picking top 5 again. I just don't think there is a good enough NFL offensive scheme you can run with Bryce. He has too many limitations and if they didn't blow so much to trade up for him they wouldn't be forcing it so hard this year again. 

Bryce absolutely has issues seeing the field. He isn't fast enough to pull a Murray or Wilson and create space for more vision. Improved footwork isn't fixing any of that. The new OGs may help with protection but I'm not seeing how it helps his vision challenges...that is if they find a decent center.

12 hours ago, trucpfan said:

How did he perform so well in college with these crazy wild mechanics. He's so far off I'm confused how he dominated at Bama. It shows the gap of talented players between college to the pros and it's not to be underestimated. 

It's school ball. People way over compare the 2 but any NFL team would roll the kids on any school team hard. Those teams have a couple at best ready to be rookies in the NFL and the other are grown men who are professionals who are an entire roster of those couple of guys with years or experience at that level.

It's like asking why were they so good in HS and failed in college? Because one is ridiculously easy compared to the other.

All the stuff that drags his game down won't show up until preseason games. Until then it's just a build up to that let down. He can't see enough of the field and the NFL isn't forgiving to those that can't adjust.

Dak doesn't win in the postseason on stacked teams. 2-5 postseason and never won a game outside of the wildcard round. He puts up great numbers but that's it if you are looking to do more than peak into the playoffs. Let someone else overpay him now, play him for 2 or 3 years and if Carolina is still looking for QBs then revisit him when he cut from the deal he is trying to sign now. That's Dak's sweetspot IMO. Dak is going to go look like Derrick Carr somewhere soon on a contract like he is looking for. 9-8 and already looking to develop a project rookie while Atlanta pulled the trigger Cousins' first year lol. 

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think non-elite retreads are the way to go, at this point. We have been down this road multiple times. 

If/when the Bryce thing fizzles out, we will be back in top 5 pick territory so you just keep shooting your shot until you make one. 

We are not going to attract any elite QB talent in free agency because we have a bad franchise. 

The draft is the only path forward at this point, barring some blockbuster trade. But, look at how those recent elite QB trades have worked out(Wilson and Watson).

Nailed it. Sign a re-tread and keep drafting until you hit. A re-tread is fine as long as they don't pretend he is more than that like the 2 times before. The funny thing to me is that it would still look like this years offense in that scenario at worst and TB and Atlanta will be duking it out this year for the NFCS crown with that setup. 

57 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

There was a discussion about it for over a year.  $1.2B split between Panthers and the city.  Almost certain they will put a roof over BofA and probably add more seats.  Locals are pissed about the expense so city and Tepper kept it hush hush.

That was my guess but I'm on the coast and haven't seen anything about it here. I'm surprised they pushed that through given the times but not at all that there unhappy locals in that deal 

Weird how little coverage there is of this. What's the deal that got this going because I haven't heard of any being made between the Panthers and the local government?

8 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Well who did you want?

I have not been a fan of any of them or their processes. As for who I want we all know it doesn't matter and at this point I am resigned to what is Tepper quality at the end of the day because that has absolutely been consistent. Tillis should be great but he came here so it could be a Beineimy situation I guess. 

More of the same to me as Tepper's other guys just a different flavor.

1 hour ago, BrisbanePanther said:

It's ironic that he would be upset for that reason, given that he played the same role with Griffin.

They were rookies the same year which IMO is so much worse than old, coming off a difficult injury and still not a postseason winner regardless of regular season wins with a rookie QB.

21 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

I think it's worth taking a step back and looking at the impact of this on the NFL overall. It's like the league went from one extreme--rookies with no experience becoming the teams' highest paid players--to another--expecting rookies with no experience to play like they're the highest paid players. In both cases the vets get angry, and in both cases the rookies are under probably an unfair level of pressure created by a market not them individually. The vets also lose out because in the former case teams spent all their money on the rookie and not the supporting cast and now teams still don't spend money on the supporting cast when they don't know what they have with the rookie.

The Atlanta experiment will be good to watch for this, especially if Cousins was to lead them to 2-3 division titles (entirely possible). They spent a lot of high draft picks on skill position talent rather than a QB and brought him in via FA. Will they go away from him when it's time to pay the skill positions while Penix is still on his rookie deal? They were stupid, but might have stumbled onto another potential way to build a team.

Cousins can win the NFCS but he has won 1 playoff game ever. He isn't there for a SB but to take an easy division.

They are betting Penix can be more which is also what pisses Cousins off about that situation, it's the same thing he was running from in Minny. SF already did this to Jimmy G with 2 young QBs, they also handled it way better as far as I have heard, so it's not that new in Atlanata...even if they did their best at creating internal friction. 

It's honestly too high. Looking at some of the lower options I think they would win more games with some of those guys in a run first O. 

It doesn't look like they will make 5 wins and will be picking top 5 again. 2 to 4 seems like their zone

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

They will if he’s that bad again.  Tepper gets rid of everyone eventually.

That was Tua and he wins enough in the regular season to make much harder than what is going on I  Pantherland.

Also Tepper is weird. Rhule got a 3rd year and he absolutely did bad enough to get fired after 2. He just hired the assistant to a 2 win team and then that guys friend who didn't get another HC interview. Tepper is impatient but also unpredictable in a bad way.

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

Didnt want to throw at the combine and was missing in his Private workout. Just too many red flags for me.

I saw his school tape and he peaked there. He was a poor NFL prospect but he was good enough to win there. Not throwing at the combine kept him going in the first vs throwing and going in the 3rd which is where he should have gone. I can't remember a more overhyped prospect ever. It was embarrassing how bad and lazy his draft breakdowns were. He does have a great agent tho

Just now, Navy_football said:

No it isn't.

If someone says he can't throw X many yards because he didn't do it last year, but he threw it X plus 10 yards in college, that shows he can. He may not have done it in Carolina, but that doesn't mean he can't do it. There is a real possibility that there were extenuating circumstances. These definitive but inaccurate statements are also known as hot takes or gross exaggerations.

With a running throw in a gap in the line against school level competition with a smaller ball while his WRs slow up to catch it? That is his reality and not a hot take. His film from then proves it. 

Can he throw it far? Sure. Can he do it well? No and he was so bad at it that he didn't even want to try when guys were open deep lol

16 minutes ago, frankw said:

I believe you are correct. Everyone remembers that record setting drubbing of the Broncos but that was the highlight of their season. They have very good coaching overall and they have a ton of talent. With a better QB they could have knocked off the Chiefs IMO.

We aren't even in the conversation of the Dolphins until proven otherwise. We couldn't even get in the end zone against the lowly Chicago Bears. We got shutout and blown out by the CJ Beathard led Jaguars for fugs sake. We can't even compete with bad teams let alone run up the score on them.

To me if I'm being completely realistic if I'm the GM and my job is on the line and I feel like Tua is Bryce Young's ceiling I'm drafting QB in the first round next year unless he just magically has a season like Stroud did last year. That's it.

I'm genuinely not trying to be abrasive about this it just gets really mind numbing eventually that we keep lowering the bar down down down down down and it's like hey it's fine to have expectations. And if you have a young QB in his prime and he isn't giving you at least prime Jake Delhomme arm talent it's time to keep looking for a QB.

They won't draft another QB the owner loves him lol. And once they pay him his help level will decrease. What a waste of a great roster and coaching staff. The media wrote them off half way through the season last year because they were so weak against contenders. McDan will get fired after that extension when they are still not winning in the postseason and I am curious how he matures through that process. His 2nd HC gig could get someone a SB, his talent is there for sure. 

The bar is so low it's in the ground. People are just losing their minds with another Tepper quality Panther year lined up while others are just doing fan things, irrational to anyone but them but that is also normal in any fandom. I go away for a bit and come back for the laughs. Poor fans, it's freaking bleak and this go around isn't much better than the last just some changes in the SSDD approach that has been the norm the last couple of years. Sign the best OGs for too much and then use scraps at center just lol. 

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Against the Chiefs Tua threw the ball 39 times and finished with 5.1 yards per attempt. With all the weapons on that offense.

And people really pile in here trying to act like it's favorable to compare our top pick to him.

Didn't he not beat a winning team all season while putting up pro-bowl numbers? 

Faster, better arm, bigger....still a weak point for his playoff team with all of that talent around him. People are so twisted up in the Panther fan base that they can't tell how ungrounded they are at this point.