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15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It's not even really nearly as nefarious as people make it out. These teams are a financial investment. They are just protecting their investments. 

Do they fug the fans and players in the end? Of course. Same way corporations always fug the employees and clients long before they ever consider fuging shareholders.

I think they look at it as investment first too which is why it makes sense. It's nefarious if your not fiscally invested and spend money and time on it. That's why people are still cheering on Luigi...

I still think it would take a few big scandals to change much. See how long Snyder was around and what he was up to the entire time. 

There always has been collusion, as long as I have been a fan. It sure looks like they tweaked outcomes too. Good luck proving it. As much as I despise a lot of the ownership I'm still not sure what would happen if it was forced to change.

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Tepper still thinks he can run this like a hedge fund. He's such a fuging tool.

It coralates with zero winning seasons since he brought in the Tepper way...

Yes. It's fluff time anyways but it's getting a bit ridiculous. I don't believe this mix has ever worked for the Panthers before. Break .500 and then start the hype. 

Win some first. That's where the meaningful hype comes from and starts. 

It's amaerica so we need to start using by which degree with Alabama, Mississippi and WV at the bottom

CmC had a ton of reciveing yards so it wasn't just injuries thst lowered his rushing yards. Looking at just rushing yards for CMC is like just looking at passing yards for Cam or Lamar. It's a fluff way of building up the year and isn't necessarily with Hubbard. He is a good RB and all we have to do is hope for good health. 

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the rub is being a dumpster fire team. Same issue the NYG have being on that list.

 

Without the wins it's just spent cap. Nothing to celebrate yet for either of those teams. 

I have no problem spending on the oline. If C doesn't solidify and Moton doesn't stay healthy then it may be the most expensive but not the best oline which wouldn't be good. That unit has plenty to prove too.

42 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

No. The 3rd time will not manifest itself. 

Hitting .500 is a good goal. 7 years is a long time.  

I just don't think the team has to take a swing on an expensive CB unless Horn is already hurt or if JR will play free safety in that black hole of tallent at thst position. 

It would be a terrible sign if they spend draft capital on buying an older and expensive CB, anything before a 6th really. This team is trying to hit .500 for the first time in years and still wouldn't be a contender with JR on the roster. They have 2 good CBs and the young guys have to step up or this build is going nowhere. 

35 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Why, yes Stephon. You can pass out coke to hoes. It’s just not smart to video that interaction.

And then doesn't show up for offseason stuff. Almost like he is waiting a few days for some reason?

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Young had way too light of a preseason schedule given where he is as a QB last year.  Canales needs to play Young a lot going into this year.    Holding Bryce out has gone very poorly leading into both his seasons.  Young got less work going in than legit proven studs did.   He needs to have the workload of someone that has had maybe 3 good NFL games and the rest meh or horrible. 

Yeah I don't get guys who have that much to prove not playing. The general approach to the preseason the last 2 years ha not been impressive IMO. Go play the young guys because it's just practice for fugs sake.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Yes and no. Actually last years training camp there were a lot of questions about a lack of deep passes and Bryce Young had a number of miscues that led to us incorrectly assuming our defense was actually decent. At one point Shy Tuttle had a turnover returned for a touchdown. Need I say more?

I do agree joint practices will be the most telling though.

The preseason reporting is almost all fluff and it seems like a gag order has been in place for years now vs pre Rhule takeover. Wearing a red jersey is when his issues are greatly masked and this is year 2 of thr same offense. Even coming off a historically bad rookie year the fluff was thick last year.

2 hours ago, frankw said:

I agree with you. We'll get some answers from camp and certainly all these guys will be getting a good amount of reps in preseason.

Meh camp is where Bryce looks the best. The answers will start to trickle in during the joint practices and that game but game 1 has been the real starting line for the reality of the season the last 2 years.

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

And why did we offer him the most money? Because our WRs sucked and he and his agent knew it. Agents aren’t going to say no, but making the team as a UDFA isn’t akin to lottery odds as you said and he and his agent got $1.8M in OTAs. That was their goal. $225k is peanuts compared to Coker’s likely lifelong Panthers income and if he went to a team with a stocked WR corps for $250k, he would have screwed up.

I don’t know why this is even up for debate. His agent got him $1.8M over 2 years by OTAs because it was the easiest roster for a good UDFA WR to make. All things equal, take the extra $20k if offered but our situation is absolutely why he signed here not an extra $20-40k. Having an easy road to $1.8M (and more) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new Camry.

It's both. Going somewhere they can get a shot at more reps exists but moeny is always apart of the NFL. Coker is a great example for you to use. There are guys taking anything they can get anywhere because they know it's their likely only income at that level but those aren't the top UDFA.

I still see the inverse of the 2019 defense. I do not trust Evero to pull off a decent D at this point.

25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Hunt is a little overrated by the fans because he is a bruiser and plays very physically like Andrew Norwell did. 

IMO, Lewis is the more consistent of the two OG's overall.

But, the addition of those two guys turned that unit around completely. That isn't debatable. Remains to be seen how that works out in the long term, given it runs counter to almost all roster building theory to have most of your OL money in the two OG's.

I agree about Lewis. He is the one to keep moving forward when that decision has to be made.

It was a short term patch by buying the most expensive OGs. My thing is that they are not building around what they spent. I just can't see that unit as a long term strength, especially when one of the high cost OGs is already showing a noticable decline.

Hunt was graded by PFF as 67.7 in 2024. Panther fans have lost all perspective. Hunt only had a 72 run blocking which is supposed to be his strength and a 57.5 pass which is dog poo for what he is getting paid. That's a 10 point decrease from 2023 too.

Spending big on 2 OGs out of need was the first move. Where is the follow up moves? Moton is on a 1 year deal at 30 mil. Ickey just had his 5th year option picked up but also needs to show improvement to justify a big new LT contract. Then at center the hope is Mays will play to his better games vs his average 66.1 2024 grade. BC has done nearly nothing and is back on a 1 year deal after no one else wanted him as even that apparently. 

The oline being the team's strength currently says a lot about the state of the team.

I like it. I just don't see a benefit in quality by continuing allowing weaker teams to get home field advantage. It just gives more to the teams that won more in the regular season. Sounds like a step forward in quality in the playoffs to me.

I'm more impressed with the UDFA that the guys they have drafted in the first the last 2 years. A whole lot of prove it is still needed before any improvement should be talked about seriously.

And lol at those saying it wouldn't be hilarious if it was any other team in the leauge catching that flack. Making fun of professional teams doing poorly is completely fair game. No one else did this to this team but themselves. Don't like it? Then win