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34 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

SB50 was worse, IMO.

The two big memories that stick out from both was watching the 2003 game like 6 months after when it was being reaired on cable and genuinely, delusionally thinking "maybe it will be different this time." That's how traumatic that ending was.

But, I almost spent like $25-30k to go watch SB50 because I was so sure of the victory. Denver was so far and away the worst team we had faced all playoffs. There was no way we were gonna lose. Then I watch this game in a sports bar in bumfug GA, Cam a GA native and all these stupid rednecks jeering against Cam and cheering the shell of Peyton Manning's retarded ass. I was so fuging furious after that game. I am still mad about it to this day. But, I am damn sure glad I didn't spend that $25-30k.

I was just happy they got into a SB in 2003. I went to SB 50 and it broke me. I never looked at football the same after that game. Great time outside of that with 2 family members who are no longer around but that game was brutal. Ron not changing anything or adapting to the situation. Refs making crappy calls. Poor quality playing field. Bunch of rich turds who only watch 1 game a year around uustalking about the things they own and do. Then we lost to a decrepit Manning. Just brutal. Thankfully we got the tickets at face value. 

Go a head and run him lol. Please. I heard he is also good at trucking since he has a low center of gravity so no sliding. 

12 minutes ago, t96 said:

I'd like him as an OC, he's a bright offensive mind. But as an overall HC I don't think he's any better right now with 4 years experience than Canales is with 2 years. Sure, look at raw records if you want. But Canales inherited the biggest disaster team in the league while McDaniel inherited a very solid team that was coming off 10 and 9 win seasons, and he proceeded to do absolutely nothing with them aside from like a month and a half stretch one year where Tua was playing lights out. 

I don't think either are very good HCs. One is a very good OC. 

McD has potential but his ego showed up hard with a tad of success, Flores D and his O was good for 2 years. I don't see any real potential from Canales. Even with a great QB he would still be the weak link from a lack of talent. McD does have tallent but he didn't put the work in and it showed. Ego, other personality failures, complacency? IDK but there is talent there. Not sure he will every really tap into it either. 

23 hours ago, jtm said:

When Tepper bought the Panthers we all expected his wealth to be an advanatage because he could basically buy any coach or GM.  As we all know, it hasn't gone this way and if Tepper was smart, he'd give Harbaugh or Tomlin whatever they want to come here because these types of coaches would instantly change the culture.  

His wealth isn't his issue and he has blown chunks of it just not effectively. He is a terrible manager which includes hiring and control. Good managers let their people do their thing until they need to step in, that's not Tepper. He is also partial to snake oil salesmen and loves him some yes men.

He still hasn't shown the ability to work with someone with a giant and earned ego that wouldn't kiss the ring. Those guys have 'poor interviews'.

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the biggest loss was BC. He fills in at average to above average for so many roles. That one hurt. We need to find another guy like that in the draft.

Cousins is on his last legs at 38. His physical abilities seem to be in clear decline.

Cousins is, at very best, 4% better than Ghost of Dalton. Watch those games again, you will see the same general physical decline. They are both old as hell. It's not like everyone can be Brady/Rodgers.

Cousins is a lateral movement from Dalton. I am not interested at all.

BC's always hurt but they did lean on him and Corbett this year.

Sorry but Cousins is what Dalton was 2 years ago. Dalton couldn't even play 1 quarter this year without being hurt and he deffinatly couldn't play 8 games the last 2 years. He is vastly declined but Dalton isn't even playable anymore even if he could stay healthy. That's who Cousins will be soon but not this year.

I still think Cousins could have pulled off 1 more win than Penix and tsken the division. 

8 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The tape got out on his boy genius video game offense and he doesn't have the interpersonal skills to run a locker room of 53 professional football players.

Would love to have him as OC though lol.

I'm not going to say never. Reid couldn't overcome DC Johnson retiring but he fixed a lot of his issues when he went to KC and had great success there after Philly. People can grow but they also have to be hungry enough to address their own issues. 

We will see how big his head and ego are. He could be a stud OC and just pull a Kiffin the rest of his career. Other than pay, I would choose that path too. Owners suck all the best parts of the game away and could only imagine having to report to them dirrectly. Ross is a known assbag too. 

10 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Also put me in the camp that thinks McDaniel doesn't get a head coaching gig this year.  The optics around the Dolphins collapse are very bad.  It made him seem unqualified or at least not ready to be a HC by many teams.

He shouldn't. He obviously needs a reset but NFL teams do NFL things. 

27 minutes ago, t96 said:

I know he's already been linked to a few other teams' HC openings, but I can't for the life of me understand why. I don't think he's been remotely good in Miami.

I thought he did good up to the point when they gave Tua that deal in 2024. That was around when they let the D fall apart while only focusing on the O.

His head did get too big IMO from his successes. 

As an OC? Hell yeah. 

14 minutes ago, rodeo said:

The Bucs DID win the division with an 8-9 record with Tom Brady as the QB and you're absolutely right, it wasn't really a topic.

They also won a SB 2 years before and lost in the Division game the year before. 

Plus Baker isn't Brady which is getting an unfair bump regardless. 

17 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

A new contract right now would be a mistake. 

If Bryce is truly clutch, he'll show it in the playoffs.

Assuming a typical Bryce performance, I'd like to bring in Malik Willis, and see how camp goes and if Bryce struggles early again and we regress to the mean in one point games with awful offense, we give him a shot.

If he was clutch he wouldn't have finished 1-3 when it mattered most.

Commited to not winning is a hell of a flex. 

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's not a realistic scenario of extrapolating outward nor would they be playing such an easy schedule. He played two teams with winning records during those eight games. The other three teams they played with above .500 records Penis Jr. played. I think you will see that although there will be ample QB opportunities available in free agency, he will not be getting signed as a starter.

The Corbett complaint is massively overplayed. It's a significantly smaller issue than the playcalling, QB play and, as you said, our predictability.

Again, wasn't propong him up. Just saying taking the NFCS could have earned Morris a chance to take another shot at QB next season. Yes the math is guessing but he only needed 4 more wins to take the division. IDK, someone always takes a shot on overpaying Cousins. It shouldn't happen but it keeps happening.

I agree but the play at that spot has gotten worse. 

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think they will likely shop him around.

Im not expecting him to suddenly find a brain like the scarecrow but it's worth a look before dumping him. Who knows, miracles happen once in a while.

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Cousins is very clearly washed up. He's a lesser Andy Dalton. You can see how much the Falcons thought of him as they arranged a deal so he can be cut by March.

I don't think there is any real reason to attach OL issues to the problem. Not overtly, anyway. We had at one point in the season(and may still) had the most OL combinations start in the NFL. We featured multiple trash heap players and PS call ups.

I think the bulk of the blame was predictable playcalling and extremely poor QB play by us.

 

I agree but 5-3 in eight games is still enough to take the division if they played him all year. Again it's not because Cousins is great but that the NFCS was terrible. 

I presumed all of that and the issues at RG on top.  Along with it being later in the year when teams generally get more dailed in. 

Great. Now they can get a read on XL going into the offseason. Anything less than showing a hard reality check in him should result in moving him in the offseason. If that doesn't light a fire under him then get him gone for whatever they can get. 

Should have happened way earlier.

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Hunt was out when Dowdle had about 9 total carries on the season. Hell he was about 2 YPC at the time Hunt went down.

Also, I am less inclined to think Cousins was the sole reason for Atlanta to come roaring back. He was basically Bryce Young. 

In his eight starts he went 5-3, had 2 total games over 200 yds passing and only scored 11 TD's.

Well that's about 10 wins on 17 games so that just carries my water for me. That's how bad the NFCS was this year. I am not trying to say he was good but just good enough.

You're right. So it just Corbett desolving as the year went on? 

4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Yea, they aren’t playing their best football right now and I don’t expect them to come out on Saturday and look like a wildly different team. This team looked their best when Dowdle was running hard and forcing defenses to key on stopping him. He has noticeably less burst that earlier in the season now. 

And it’s crazy because Atlanta fired Raheem Morris who finally had Atlanta looking decent at the end of the season finishing 4-0. And instead of building on that momentum, they fired everyone. They had a stretch of games mid season where they lost by a point to the Patriots, lost in overtime to the Colts, and lost in overtime to the Panthers, and obviously in the Panthers game Penix tore his ACL again. If Penix didn’t get hurt I think the Falcons pull that game out and both team’s seasons look very different. 

Dowdle was fresh and it was early in  the year. It gets more difficult later in the year when teams improve, gel and get in their grooves. Hunt being out also plays into it but then when was the last time the Panthers adjusted well with personnel?

Morris did some good but the QB situation was enough to sink both him and the GM. I'm more on the 'if they played Cousins they could have won the division this year' side. It would have been ugly but it was really low hanging fruit. Penix getting g I injured again and losing the division by a game was enough to know he isn't the guy IMO. 2 years is the standard and he still falls on the wrong side.

Im surprised Lovie is back. I have zero faith he can build up any team. Did a decent job maintaining someone else's build but how he handled this year vs the last 2 was enough to give him a pink slip IMO.

4 minutes ago, Manna said:

If the Bucs or Falcons won the division with an 8-9 record, the narrative would be all about praise. It’s only shame because the Panthers won. 

Depends. Did they finish strong or limp past the regular season? In this case they would all be taking the same flack IMO. 

2014 was made fun of but most fans just laughed because they finished strong and we had Cam and Luke. 

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Eh, I’ve come to think that looking at the schedule in advance is a fool’s errand. You have no idea who is going to be tough a year in advance especially when you don’t know when in the season you’ll play them. Teams would have looked at a late season Chiefs game in 2025 and thought f*ck we gotta play the Chiefs? But they fell apart this year. So anything can happen. 

Yup.

I'm more concerned with this crews ability to faceplate after doing anything good. Getting into the playoffs guarantees they will faceplant next season after not making the changes they need to make to improve. 

Just now, hepcat said:

If he had beaten New Orleans one time I think the narrative around Canales would be very different right now 

That and finishing weak. 1-3 to wrap up the year is not something to celebrate IMO. 

7 hours ago, csx said:

They could toss him over

13 hours ago, Navy_football said:

So you think Hurts took Philly to the Super Bowl then, right? 

I disagree. I think he was a passenger but he wasn't driving the ship. 

At least he is carryable is the point. The Panthers can't even carry Bryce to a winning record. 

Dave finished the year weak and as for the 8 wins we'll if anyone in the division wasn't terrible then it would have been 2 6 win teams and a 12 win team. All of the 8-9 teams would have been 6 win teams if they weren't playing each other.

Dave hasn't earned jack other than a participation trophy that Atlanta gave him. 

18 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Anyone think Jalen Hurts took Philly to the Super Bowl?

Lol he was in a top 10 offense carried by a top 2 defense. Youbg has never been out of the bottom 3rd regardless of the talent around him.

Hurts would be a huge improvement. The Panthers would be 12+ wins with him under center.