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It's incredible to watch them go do what is impossible for Tepper. Lucky fans to get ownership that does that well that quick but they did have a long time under Snyder. They are building their house the right way and it still looks like Tepper is about to do his thing again with the same crappy outcome. 

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

This is how I view Tepper.  He may be a big fan of the game but should not have any say in which players are retained, let loose, picked up in free agency and most importantly who is drafted.

Stop looking at what someone did in college and expect the exact performance in the NFL. You can offer your input but in the end let the Pros make the decision. 

Any owner should be presented with the big things to sign off on but his involvement at the other levels has been devastating to the outcome of everything to do with the team.

He has no idea about the football stuff and it doesn't look like he is learning much either so he keeps hiring bad football people and putting them in bad spots and expecting anything good to happen. It's comical and sad.

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, his 5th year salary is pretty low BECAUSE he hasn't played much.

May as well pick it up. We aren’t gonna get a better corner for that price tag.

He played 6 games this year. I don't get the disconect about what he could have been and what he has been. I would rather use that cap space and roster spot on a guy who will be available to play.

Johnson, Johnson, Slowik or Smith. Young OC with good conections. Meh to the rest.

Hurney was well respected LOL. Same old stuff, just professionals being professionals.

I would rather have someone actually good at their jobs and not another dud who is well respected. What Morgan did with Fritters is enough to know he is the wrong guy to promote let alone keep being an assistant GM. 

1 hour ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

IDK, I think it's very debatable if Horn deserves a 5th year option. He is a top 10 pick and the option would be expensive, he has never played a full season as well. I would understand if the FO declines it and just see if he can stay healthy his 4th year. That's a lot of money sitting on IR for the year! 

I would be happiest to see him traded this offseason. He is very talented but he also isn't healthy enough and should get no where near 5th year option money until he can play a healthy year or 2. The best ability is availability after all. He has played in 22 games in 3 years so that's 43.1% of the time. Anyone still believing he is worth paying to his physical talent level is about to eat a lot of dead cap on the IR. Take any pick and sign someone who will be a lot more likely to be available on game days is absolutely a better path then waiting for him to have a healthy year which would be an anomaly at this point sadly. 

Decent ownership, a much better front office, competent GMing, capable coaching, coherent roster building, accurate player evaluations and the ability to adapt at all of those levels.

A good QB, a decent TE, a WR room minus 1 slot grandfather, a dominant oline, a completely new CB room and a D built around Brown who is the best player on the roster.

A good stadium experience and not an overpriced shell of a game day. A reason to show up and care on game day. A practice/team facilities near the stadium. Real grass and not more garbage music.

Winning.

I'm sure there is more but that's all I can recall in the downward spiral that is Panther fandom.

15 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Liars the lot of you if you loved footy like most here you’d have a great time playing GM 

When in Panther history did the team string together enough competency over a course of a few seasons to not heavily question their moves and failures?

I don't want to be the GM. I just want a good one finally to do a good job. I would be more than happy to watch a great one cook even if I didn't love individual moves. If winning cures all this team is at plague level now.

The only positive I am hearing is that the team actually knows what the perception is of their state currently. Having to ask if they can ask for an interview is embarrassing. Now something so much worse is out there. It is such a poorly run organization. More like new mistakes and unfortunately not learning much yet good still. 

Stop treating it like a toy and let experts that are not hired by me to run it while I enjoy the games from owners box and only ask for the big stuff (big trades, huge contracts, ect.) needing notice given. 

And throw a free beer party after a SB win as a thank you for putting up with so much BS as Panthers fans over the years. 

6 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

People going back and forth on whether this is a good defense or terrible one.

 

I just say GOOD LUCK evaluating this defense; it was paired with the most unwatchable offense in franchise history.

Just look to Rhule's #2 D and then the next year's numbers with Wilks running the ball for half a year after that.

It wasn't terrible but it wasn't top 10, neither were unless you only use yards allowed for both. And Wilks D fell apart as his time went on because other teams had to do more to win vs mailing it in against Rhule who only wanted to run CMC into the ground.

Considering the 3-4 swith that is fine with me. Those do take time. But there is very recent precedence to help unlock the mystery of how good that unit really is. Solid and likely average at best in the overall rankings.

He is under contract right? So even if he interviewed him they would have to ask for his release or trade for him?

I still don't get it. If I'm the Panthers I am looking for picks anywhere.

39 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Good lord, what did the Germans ever do to you to deserve this?!

4 OGs lol. I hope teams have seen this and stay away from Fritters. He is complete trash. With Carroll out I wonder if those doors are already shut to him now too.

1 minute ago, IndyPanther said:

If you think needing 3 future HOFers (as in he had 2 and couldn't do anything) to score more than 10 ppg isn't a bust, then I don't know what to say.

Picking a QB in the top 10 and not being able to be more than a journeyman is a bust. A 7th round pick, last in the draft, that plays as well as that top 10 pick isn't a bust. Ohh and Baker was a #1 pick. 

IDK what you are talking about and I never mentioned anything about HOF. I said startable, they couldn't even beat out the other guys.

You are all over the place and just making up stuff. If you feel that way fine but you are spouting off like any of that is facts. I don't know what else to say but your takes are laughable once you went to Purdy as a bust while trying to prop up Baker as more then he is...Ohh and for a bonus Wilks established here last year how to handle QBs like Darnold and Baker so TB is just following that blueprint. Run the ball and ask the QB to do as little as possible which limits the damage they can do. 

Just now, Shotgun said:

Yeah he's really underperformed for his draft position. lol 

Dude has lost all perspective and came up with some real unique takes to justify his feelings. 

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Might be they want to go ahead a hire evero and take his input on who he wants to work with. 

That sounds awful all the way around but OK. It's not like they couldn't do both at the same time and put both in a room before making it official. 

If it is Evero I have a hard time not seeing him as one and done also. Plus he didn't take the interim job. IDK, it's already getting weird. 

I have no idea why Tepper wants to put the cart before the horse again. Maybe all he wants from the GM anyways is to just say yes?

Maybe it works out but I get the feeling something is wrong with his approach. We could already have a GM if he just fired Fritters when he fired Frank. Not thrilled with the idea of another HC with too much power again. 

21 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

Would you have taken Demeco?

I like him a lot but I like his OC more than I ever liked him for a HC. I'm just not high on DCs to HCs in the current NFL. There are so many DCs out there to be had and Evero is a prime example of that. 

1 minute ago, IndyPanther said:

From start to finish, the 3 of them have played 7 games combined in the last three seasons. I'm not counting games where they came in for one play due to an injury and then came back out. QBs in the NFL play the entire game when healthy. So that's what I am counting. The entire game. Of those, there are 7 between those 3 players in the last 3 seasons. 

Seeing that to be the case, you (nor anyone else) do not know any of these things for a fact. You are just guessing that over literally any sample size something that happened in one game would hold true. If you think 7 games between them is enough of a sample size to accurately judge 3 NFL players, I don't know what to tell you.

They had 2 offseasons to work with Lance. He didn't play more because he wasn't worth playing regardless of investment. Doesn't matter what you count, they have practices and off season workouts we all don't get to see. Your standards are completely arbitrary and hold no accepted value, in the fan community or coaching as far as I have ever heard. They say most should get 13 games but if they are not even startable then it's not going to take 13 games is it?

Some guys are just long shot projects and with Purdy they found a better one and no one has time for 2 projects at QB, Prudy isn't even a project anymore while Lance sure is. I know he has played poorly and I was very interested in his potential as a vocal admirer as a prospect, though I didn't like that trade for a project. The fact the 49ers already traded him speaks for itself which you choose to ignore, they are a well run contender and already replaced him while he was on the roster in that 'short time'. It was a win-win anyways, he gets a shot without that trade over his head and the 49ers get a mistake to go away and are in the playoffs without him or those picks used. He is absolutely a bust for what they paid and like I said he has a solid chance to prove he isn't a complete bust not sitting behind Darnold as #3 in SF. 

As far as Baker is 100% a known quantity in the NFL, there is zero mystery to what he brings to the table. 

Willis has looked awful, that is really not debatable, it's fact. He absolutely might not make it far with the new regime but I am assuming they at least bring him to camp. His issues were also documented in that draft 

Solid track record I guess, no idea about the other sports but they did the Eagles right. 

17 minutes ago, RJK said:

Sounds like teppers kind of guy 

I could see him holding on to the marketing terms way too hard while missing the point of it all...

Given the situation I hope they asked him first. 

Meh not excited for a defensive HC hire regardless and it would be really crappy to keep him as a DC while hiring someone else again at HC. 

Any year Tepper owned the team.

2010 had Cam coming in and it still looks like another 2023 incoming in 2024. 2023 is so bad for so many reasons.

It only takes 1 team to make the trade happen. At this point an early 2nd looks better than him walking, though at this point I am ok with that too. Can't fix what the moron who was just fired broke. Never thought I would see worse than Gettleman or Hurney and  wow was I wrong.