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Not good enough. Tepper needs help hiring someone to run the team. Everyone in his house needs to be purged and I don't care about their connection to the old Panthers either. The way Tepper has run the team is a problem and letting anything roll over is just leaving cancer to grow again.

If this offseason wasn't lined up to be one of the worst ever in Panther history then I would say just get it over with either way.

I hope Baker makes Tepper throw another drink because laughing at him is still fun and with what he is about to do I know there is no fun to be had anytime soon.

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Tepper only hires yes men.

 

Nothing against Ben personally, I just know how Tepper thinks. He sucks at this HC thing. Whoever he hires is a yes men with no voice.

Ben walked away once and is too young and talented to feel like a big payday is the only thing on his table. I don't see him coming here given the entire situation. If his chosen spots are not open to him he will just go back to the Lions again.

On the flip side Steichen wanted to come here and he is solid so maybe he was just has different standards Or couldn't read the room like Ben did?

I can only image how thier communications went with each other lol.

The only real positive about JH here is that he would have taught Tepper a few things along the way. He was never going to be 'the answer' the fans had hoped for but if it ended up like in SF where shortly after his departure they finally figured it out that would have been the big win. Tepper is years away from being ready to run a decent team.

I swear it looked like he was talking poo in celebration into that box.

It still is a football game and if you can't handle the disapoontment of losing then try gardening or something. And if the NFL are going to let their billionaires mingle with the poors they had best read the room when you're producing like Tepper has.

It's funny because if he wasn't busting then no one would be using that word and having so many takes on all the angles. Anyone using the B word with Stroud? Curious huh...

This offseason is going to be a brutal mix of delusion mixed with hope clashing with disgust mixed with ridicule. That's for the entire team.

Why even look at the top guys? The prove it to decent guys would be a huge improvement here. The top guys are best for filling out holes in rosters for contenders. The Panthers are not close to being contenders. 

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

If we come to a reasonable agreement below $30M per do you think the Burns slander will stop?

 

People just flat out don't like this guy for whatever reason. Him signing for a realistic deal won't stop the slander we see every week even when he's arguably one of our better players. I have never seen a player get so much hate despite being a pretty good team guy. The fact fans are hating on one of our team captains just shows you how bad this franchise has become under Tepper. 

Burns is easily my favorite player on the team. I'm just tired of seeing people slander him week in and week out. What happened to supporting one of your better players?

 

We can talk about his contract when the time comes. It's sad people talked about his contract during the entire season.

He is a good but not great player. If we can get 2 or 3 other good players in free agency with the kind of money he was wanting, not sure where that is at now, then absolutely trade or let him walk. They could literally fix the oline with that kind of money...or if anyone competent was in charge.

He just is not a guy to build a team around. He is a guy that can go to a good D and finally reach his true potitnal as a pass specialist. I honestly think they have asked him to save themselves from their bad team building and management by being more than he is. He isn't a Peppers but that doesn't mean he is awful. That trade offer will always be the turd in the punch bowl when talking about Burns with this fanbase, even if Burns had no direct part in that entire fiasco.

4 hours ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Man, what is with you Bryce fanboys and your hilarious lack of basic football knowledge? Sacks are more of a QB statistic, not an O-line statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. Get this through that thick skull of yours: it's almost always Bryce's fault when he's sacked. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Oh, and here's your golden boy on Alabama tape with his retard footwork. Jesus Christ, his footwork is literally Pop Warner level poo, and we picked him at no. 1 in the NFL draft?!

Now compare your golden boy's footwork and fundamentals with those of CJ Stroud. See the difference? See how they matter? I swear, you Bryce fanboys are almost as annoying as screaming Swifties. 

 

No way it's all. A chunk yep. That's why PFF gives ickey a good grade after games where there was presure and sacks. The OGs have give  up a lot of pure them sacks and even good players give up one nosmw and again. It's on the QB sheet because it's shared and helps explain that relationship.

Everything I have already said starting with outside help to hire a new person in control to run everything and keep the Teppers from the stuff they don't need to be near. New GM married to a HC with a long term plan more than just 'we are going to win blah blah blah'. Feel good is Tepper stepping away and the rest can go fug itself at this point.

Anything less is just more of the same. He won't land anyone decent if he is doing his usual methods.

There is a reason they bring on partial owners that become full owners with zero meaningful football knowledge. Easy pickings and wins while everyone profits regardless.

Tepper very well may cross the line to get removed some day but it's not from anything he has done yet that we know of. At least everyone caught on and are going to harass him endlessly if he keeps behaving and running his team like he has.

He is staying because there are no reasons to not have fired him already. He should never have gotten the job anyways but Rhule and I am guessing Tepper just love a yes man. Remember when Rhule said he wanted a personnel guy so he could just focus on the other side? LOL

If Fitterer stays there is no hope and yes they are about to prove how it can get worse. I won't watch the games but I will be here for their pain and embarrassment.

Does this mean that Rhule is fired after year 2 and SF is flushed with him?

How can any of us pretend Tepper's people are going to build angthing good or start coaching like the best in the leauge and even the Bears regardless of what is on the roster?

CMC was getting ran into the ground and withheld due to Rhule's need to try and save himself. That trade was terrible value with our desd cap hit but also a mercy to him. It absolutely would have ended badly by now under the people in control. Trading Moore was just idiotic and further proof of how bad they all are at their jobs. The rest is just more out of control incompetence from the clown show Tepper brought to town.

I actually get keeping Hurney and Ron 1 year as a new owner. I didn't like it but it made sense. I am guessing where that 3-4 switch came from given the recent history. That is twice now they have pretended to be able to pull off that switch in a year. It never ends. Well I guess there isn't much talent left to piss away anymore.

And we are likely keeping Fitterer...

It'll be less painful when I don't have to watch Bryce play anymore. Giving the #1 away and having at least the begining of another season of that is infuriating. Cam saved us from more Clausen but now we have to waste another year on this mistake.

Draft a QB late and I'll watch that but damn this build is completely unacceptable and more of it is an issue until it ends.

At hedge fund billionaire?

I just thought he would be smarter and understand how to manage different kinds of employees. Boy was I wrong.

Peters seems impossible so Agnew looks the best of that lot. 

And promoting Fritters just moves the cancer higher so that would be a hard fail. He needs to be out of the building or it's another busted year while putting all new hires on the 'please burn' pile. What a terrible idea that is so it's plausible in that house. 

The hurdle of owning the soccer team is really the biggest hurdle I can think of. Not 100% sure about the rules tho.

He can pay the other owners enough to let him move like the Rams did, it might actually be a prerequisite of moving a team. He can pay his way out of PSLs and the city deal, maybe tax break repercussions?. He would just own real estate downtown at that point. Plenty of places to move, especially out of the country. The NFL would love that and wouldn't care about Charlotte at all. 

2 minutes ago, RayRedd said:

I'm aware of all that but it goes to the point that teams everywhere are taking measures to keep tickets in the hands of the real fan.

There's a narrative out there suggesting large swaths of Panthers Stadium seats are controlled by disinterested third-party "resellers", seeing no evidence to support that case.

I see no evidence there isn't a chunk in their hands either. There is nothing out there at all that I could find and there is no sign the Panthers care. I do know tons of PSLs and tickets are up for sale so the Panthers taking a hard stance would just blow up in their face. Hell the team tried to get me to buy more so there is no waiting list either, what gave the Broncos the backing to make their move also 2 years removed from a SB. 

I have no idea what size the chunk is but it is there. I have sold or just let go empty every game this year. Please punish me NFL lol. 

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but Gardner Minshew also looked great for them. That is a far better coached offense ans far more talented offense.

Like I said, I am not buying the AR hype. Could end up being wrong but we will see.

Minshew should have been the starter at the beginning anyways. AR was a project that needed to learn how to transition his game away from trying to be a power runner QB. 

He isn't a bust yet but if he can't learn to throw more and run less he will because he is injury prone, especially in the way he played in school. 

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Just tell them you paid for PSLs to watch a professional football team. The Tepper led Panthers don't qualify. 

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yep. It's rare many of them pursue it very long. I have used that to my advantage for a couple of unscrupulous companies over the years. 

I did it once. Said fug you not paying and just blocked calls when they did come in. 

They sell over time so it goes quite and then some other agency buys in bulk and then you get a new round of calls so it comes in waves and the older it is the less they call. I had a friend that went on to become a lawyer and he specializes in suing those companies and loves it because they are always pulling crap on people who don't know better.