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45 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

You absolutely can start someone over him with the level of performance he’s shown over a large sample size. Doesn’t matter what his pedigree is. I think the locker room really does like him, but they like winning more. If there’s another QB on the roster that can beat him out for starter, it won’t be a problem. The issue is, as bad as he’s been, I’m not sure there is a QB that can so definitely beat him out in that fashion. A rookie is going to struggle because the 2026 class is pretty poor and just in general, the transition to pro QB is more difficult now than it has been in the past because the college game doesn’t require QBs to play under center or attack the areas of the field a pro style offense does. And the retreads are always a gamble. For every Darnold or Daniel Jones that finally puts it together after 5-6 years, there’s a dozen other busts who can’t.  

Being under contract means little in the NFL. There isn't a QB on the team that should be here next year regardless of contract. If Youbg isn't good enough to pick up his 5th the smart play is to move him, by trade or by release. He isn't good enough to start so make room and start swinging elsewhere is the only good move at this point. Someone else already made posts about why you don't keep guys who you are not picking up their 5th year option and it's valid. 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And then we actually did the smart thing and traded for Baker and still botched it.

They made him look worse than Sam. Wilks had him on the scout team as a DE lol

Part of me says a good QB would flip things dramatically and a part of me thinks the NFLs best days are behind them already. Since 2020 there has been a noticeable decline in overall quality. The school level is fugged and isn't producing talent the way it was or needs too. There seems to be more to it but I don't know why. The pay goes up and the rules protect more but the quality looks worse every year. 

I don't know if Tepper will allow it and if he does how ling before he fuggs that up too? 

I think Geno and Murray are the vets I don't want, especially on their current contract. 

I am so over the Seattle connections with this crew. It started with Fritts and it's been a mistake since then. 

17 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I feel like some on here have revisionist history cause I swear I was in the minority when I didn't want Bryce pre draft.  I got so much poo

A little but in reality a lot of those people are silent or gone. Many had some large issues with it or have already admitted wrongness. Then came the obligatory 'well he is here so I have to hope or pretend' that came after the pick. 

The poo was worth it. He was and is a mistake. Flat out, no asterisks needed. 

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

But that’s the thing, I’m not saying he should be on the roster NOW, but you re-sign Dalton in the offseason and he’s at least around for training camp and preseason. Then you have Young and a rookie, and Dalton is there to mentor and compete for the backup spot. If the rookie shows enough promise you can cut Dalton before the season. If not, rookie gets mysteriously IRed after a preseason game and we’re in the same situation we are now. But at least they tried to improve the backup position. Neither spot had any competition since the infamous Baker vs Darnold battle.

That's not why they signed Dalton tho. They signed him because he is cheap, because he is washed, and because they didn't want a viable option B other than Dalton level. That's also part of why it wasn't fine. Their first 2 years together he was mentor and he was a strategic block this year. 

You know who that guy your talking g about was this year? Plumber lol

16 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Bringing back Dalton was fine but it never should have been the only option. Now we’re in a situation where if Young doesn’t play, they’re potentially putting a practice squad QB in the starting lineup. Should never happen. 

Dalton was washed last year. 2 years in a row he had 1 ok game and then showed how bad it was and that was with all the resting and still getting easily hurt. There is nothing fine about using roster spots for guys who are so obviously washed, especially when their vontravt is up and it can be naturally ended. If it was fine then they woukd have another playable QB on the roster. Maybe a guy who could do hail marries and QB sneaks for the other QB mistake. 

They went cheap and dumb so now they have a PS scrub that's option B and no help whatsoever. 

8 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Somehow we draft an incredible rookie and still fans poo talk the guy. TMac hasn't shown to be soft. He isn't 100% complete but he's the best player we've had on offense since CMC.

He looks good but after his tape was out there he also came back to earth a bit too. I wouldn't put him near where CMC was for us tho. That's a whole other teir....so far. 

I think we need to see him with competent QB play first. Dalton couldn't stay healthy for a drive so we really haven't seen who he really is yet on the field. It's really hard for me to evaluate him with the current playbook from a full view.

10 minutes ago, hepcat said:

 

Ugh the team’s decision not to develop a backup QB is just infuriating. Dalton is 38 years old. Drafting a QB last year would have just been justified to have a BACKUP on the up and up. Every time this team takes a step forward they find another way to take a step or two backward. 

Yup. It's crazy they brought back Dalton. You have a QB in year 3 so instead of brining in a developmental backup they bring back the emotional support QB who can't even make it through a game healthy or even decent play. Totally normal stuff

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If that's the case and they haven't given up on that pipe dream then just fire them.

Putting the game in his hands again vs doing the run first approach still makes me think they are both have not given up the dream. Just like brining back Dalton and avoiding anything that could come close to competition did. 

If they had given up on that dream I wouldn't be so agaisnt them both but they did what they did and as far as I can tell thst train is still on the tracks to nowhere.

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We have the Rams, Seahawks, Bucs twice--I do not see Bryce shining through it.

I think they would be crazy to offer him the fifth year option, but if they have no backup plan--which they don't--and they solidified that when they signed Dalton.  I imagine that he will stay as a transitional backup to tutor the new QB--

I think there is some opportunity this year for a young QB.  I personally like some of the players who have dropped a bit--but if they do nothing and sign this pussy for another year--and I wanted to like Bryce, but that "doggonit" hand spank when he threw the pic at the goal line--then the look to the sideline as if he was hungry and ready for the nipple--just pissed me off.  The play calling?  Bad.  Why?  The do not have confidence in their QB.

It is crazy but they obviously still want it. It's why they were hired and it's what this entire build is about. The fact they had the Falcons game and then went out and put it in his hands once again vs running the damn ball and trying to squeeze another win out proves it again. I don't like it but that's what this is no matter how hard fans twist details into some kind of sanity. 

I have been against this from before the pick and would love to end it this year just like the two years before. Im just not going to lie to myself about it. There is zero real signs that Tepper is off of the Bryce train either...even if there should be by now.

I hope we are right and the remander of the schedule doesn't play with their food like GB did. Otherwise next year is going to look a lot like this year but the odds they pick up thst 5th are bad that they make the right or good choice. They obviously want it and I just don't see 2 yes men walking Tepper off of his mistake without a deflated end to this season. Any bright spot for them to get twisted will result in more of the same IMO. I will belive it when they say they aren't picking him up otherwise Im just expecting it unfortunately 

Has a high ceiling? Lol

Put a pin in this. I just can't until I know the team is ready to move on. Did you see their approach to QB this year? More of that would be a 6th ir 7th pick while saying something about Purdy just so they can roll Young out another year. 

Looks nice but it's an overwhelming amount of hope given what is still in front of us all. 

2 minutes ago, strato said:

I should have been more precise. I don’t think there is a starting job in his immediate future. I would say never.. but never say never. 
But yes, someone could turn to him due to an injury or very poor performance getting someone benched. 
 

if we are smart (no faith in that) we will come up with a phantom injury if he has another good game, and put him on the market once the new league year commences. Sell him off that and Atlanta. 

Yeah I can agree with the starting gig take. But it would be fun if someone proved us wrong on that but it's too much IMO too. 

If we were smart they would have IRed him after thr Atlanta game. I still think that crew is all in which makes them dumber than what we are expecting from other teams next year...

Just now, ThPantherFan said:

I hoped he would grow into the roll.  Okay, that was a joke I shouldn't have typed.  Flog me for it.

It still is funny and laughter is important when things are tough...which it has been since Tepper became hands on. 

9 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

There's no way a guy with an eye for talent like Morgan's - picking up multiple contributors as UDFAs - that has completely revamped the rest of the roster looks at Young and thinks "Yeah that's what a QB looks like".

He's paying lip service to Young, as is Canales, as that was the agreement they had with Tepper when they both took their respective jobs.

They've both taken a quantum leap in their careers because they were one of the few willing to work with Tepper. 

It's literally the reason he got the job or he wouldn't be Tepper's GM.

Morgan is hit and miss. Look at XL and Tet. Look at his free agent oline guys from 2023 and then 2024 (he was the pro personnel guy in 23). 

The fact is he was happy when Young was drafted and then took the job to prop up Young while knowing all the behind the curtain details. He also has made sure there is no one that can challenge Young on the roster either. Sorry but Dan is all in on the Young disaster. Unfortunately that's a huge negative for me in evaluating Dan. 

2 minutes ago, strato said:

Wherever he goes, if he goes, we’ll see him in preseason and that will be it. 

Maybe. With injuries and poor decisions I wouldn't be surprised if he played again. He has a lot of starting experience. Like in SF behind Purdy who would go down again. Or in Miami and that crew who bet big on Tua and still seem committed to that train wreck the owner wanted.

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don’t think this is true. Teams are going to get a look at him in person and be like “lol lmao”

no one is going to sign a backup who needs his own ass gameplan

Zack Wilson is on a team right? A washed Willson got a gig with NY this year? Hell Dalton was resigned here on a 2 year deal after looking completely washed 2 years in a row on this very team. 

If this crew is dumb enough to still be on the Young train I truely belive someone else would sign him while making the same old excuses. Bad organization, bad coaching, I can being out the amazing talent that no one else could...blah blah blah. I hope they do. It will be a lot more fun to laugh at it when it's not longer us. 

The larger punishment would be making him play the Rams and from the video he deserves it too

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Think about how many backups around the league you would trust to come into a game and easily throw for 200 yards on 60% completion pct (something Bryce struggles with).  I would be willing to say it’s between half to 2/3s of them.  Realistically, and being a little generous here, if there are 64 starters and backups, Bryce would rank somewhere in the 48-64 range among them all, and I actually think he’s a lot closer to 56-64, but either way, he is in career journeyman/practice squad/probably not good enough to hold down an NFL gig territory.  He is probably out of the league once he’s out of here.  

Someone will take a swing on him and he will make a roster because he is at his best in practice. I would go with him going to a Miami like destination where he bombs a few times without the training wheels he has received in Carolina. We all know how he looks when he is leaned on. 

Just now, ClawOn said:

We'll never know either way.  He'll never say.  Either we get a free agent in the offseason and draft one in the next 2 years or we're screwed. 

I think them signing Dalton to a 2 year deal at the beginning of the season is enough proof for me. 

I'm afraid we will find out and have another year of crap football served. This time with a harder schedule to boot. Until they dump Young and move on from him being the center of the team or we are firmly screwed IMO.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Was it Kaye, Person or another writer last week that suggested after the success of the ATL game the qb room may look the same in 2026?  It was posted on here at some point.  I hope that was just a gut feeling and not the team floating it out

And it wouldn't take much for it to flip right back. They want it so it will just take the right excuses to make it a reality for them.

It's crazy but that's the reality of the situation regardless of feels

Just now, ClawOn said:

That would certainly be the inflection point for the future of the organization.  I think Morgan knows better, but we sure as hell are doomed if he doesn't. 

I think Morgan is still on and has been on the Young train the entire time. He would be right behind Tepper to push that button

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

If they pick up Bryce Young's fifth year option, it will tell us that they are clueles as it pertains to management of personnel and running a damned franchise. It would be nonsensical. His body of work doesn't warrant picking up his option, and it doesn't even rise to the level of making a decision based upon desperation, because there are arguably bench players that can do just as well and maybe even better. I can't explain how profoundly incompetent that picking up Bryce Young's fifth year option would be. It would simply be wrong. Anyone that can't see that is idiotic.

I'm with you. He shouldn't even be on the team next year regardless.

I still think they would 100% do it today if they had to make the choice. You summed it up perfectly and that's how I see this crew already after coming into the year with a resigned Dalton

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

people still comparing bryce to brees

that boat has sailed yall