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Im torn. He seems worth a swing given the situation but can he stay healthy? 

They need to take more than 2 swings at that position this offseason. Draft one somewhere to develope, bring in a prove it guy like Lance and a Vet that can contribute for 1 to 2 years in a starting or backup roll that gets what the team is attempting. 

Lance would be my choice over Jones personally. Jones is an upgrade because he can see the field but it does little to open up the playbook. Well not much.  

22 minutes ago, strato said:

He is completely dependent on maximizing his velocity via proper throwing mechanics.  Being set and driving it with his lower body. 
 

Someone said something maybe it was here that they notice his throws have some zip when he is moving forward.  Like out in space and gets the momentum. 
Without that momentum or being set and planting he loses velocity and with it timing accuracy and any advantage he could get from anticipation. 

It's his lauch pad throws. In school he was behind great blocking and it's like he ran into his throws that went down field to WRs that had so much space they could adjust and still be ahead of the DBs. 

16 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Not throwing at the combine, carrying 20 pounds of water weight, his deep ball looked like ass at his pro day, it was all there...

 

I was wrong about his ability to stay healthy. Seems to be his one strength. I mean look how fast he got healthy this year...

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. There's been no real improvements. He just is who he is. That was the concern even his backers had going into the draft - that he might be about as good as he's going to get, yeH he's super NFL ready but they even admitted that his ceiling was pretty limited for a top draft prospect. It's just that everyone - myself included even as a detractor - significantly underestimated just how limited he was going to be on an NFL field. I thought if all went well and he could hold up to the hits at his size he could be a mid-tier starting NFL QB. I was wrong even in not wanting him and being labeled a hater in the pre-draft process. I still let the media allow me to convince me my eyes were lying to me and that he's not as limited as he certainly looks to be to my eyes.

Not everyone. I was and still am vocal about how little physical talent was on his school film. A couple of other posters were too but it was less than 5 here. He looked like a guy who peaked in school and should never have been a first round pick. 

43 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I’ve been saying this about XL.  Again, it’s unfair to judge any of these WRs or TEs as long as Bryce is QB.  XL could easily have the numbers Tet has right now or close to it, and Tet should have about 25 more receptions himself, if they had a fuging legitimate QB.  If I was a WR I would be pissed tf off with this whole organization…  well, I’d feel that way at any position, but especially WR.  Not only are you limiting our success as a team, but you’re making me look bad at my job in the process and hurting my potential to get paid what I deserve.  They need to sit Bryce tf down.

Any of the WRs should look better with better QB play. XL has some issues not tied to QB play that is evident so even with better production from better QB play there is plenty to be concerned about with XL. For me his improvement doesn't seem to be an issue with him and he doesn't even appear to be working on it vs what Ickey did year 1 to year 2 to year 3. Not saying it can't happen but finding a new QB isn't magically going to address all of XL's issues.

4. Is still some massive BS. If you can't get over a clusterfug then you can't get over pressure from the play before. It doesn't pass the sniff test with Young as more than an empty excuse. A fresh start doesn't fix his true issues and even putting him with a real QB guru isn't going to raise his ceiling even if they can squeeze a slight improvement in production. 

1 hour ago, Pantherxtreme said:

He was asked about Scourton comments at his weekly press conference.

 

 

Yes that's what I was talking about. Scourton was open  about the issues but kept the who to himself. 

I did think that Ickey was after him but apparently not.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Icky spoke on it first and he endured both Rhule and Frank 

Huh I thought it was the rookie first. That's even better. Good on Ickey. I guess it really is player led thing

23 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, he is completely washed and old.  And he keeps injury the same thumb over and over because he is old and broken down. 

I still think a fully healthy Dalton over an extended period if you can get it (which you can't) is a more threatening team than Bryce at QB.  He made it what, one series before hurting it again.  

It sounded like it happened on his first pass attempt. 

So he should be a viable option in thr near future...fast out and fast back in

Just a HC and his staff not managing his rookies like they should. Knowing his MO it's probably the players responsibility. I do find it funny that it came off like he was addressing it publicly and not privately either. Very ironic

Now it's being reported as sprained. He had a fractured in that thumb in 2015 that he didn't need surgery for but made him miss the final 3 games. I  2018 he had torn thumb ligaments that let to him being IRed but the site didn'tsay whoch hand.

Even if he was healthy he has looked like poo since his last fun game agaisnt the Raiders last year. It's crazy, just put him on IR and move on already. 

39 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

It will heal in one week. 

10 minutes ago, strato said:

Sorry for being dense. I guess you are saying the consensus is what I bolded, and that they were really done with Bryce when they benched him? 
Or the first part before that? 
 

Myself, I didn’t go for that when I saw him get the garbage time opps but I guess I have seen that from people. 
It would have been nice if the mechanical fixes took, but they obviously haven’t. 

Yep. The narrative is that they were done and then he came back. It's the most common take and I see it more than anything else. 

This year they didn't make it through a series before Dalton broke his thumb and Young was miraculously healthy the next game with Dalton not being on IR when, I belive, it's the second time he broke his throwing thumb. 

26 minutes ago, strato said:

We have a consensus? 
 

What is it? All I see is arguments about it. 

Sitting Bryce last year was just a pivot in the Bryce plans. They were never done with him because it's always been about him. The consensus here is that they were surprised when Dalton fell apart and Bryce looked better after DC had a chance to reset amd work with him, the thing Frank wanted. 

My guess is that it still is but DC knows he is fugged in that regard now but Tepper is still expecting things to keep going. 

He hires Yes Men so there is only one answer with different levels of possibilities within that reality.

I still think the benching last year is looked at in a different light here than it really was. It's the Bryce show, that's why these people were hired and the benching was part of the process to salvage Tepper's biggest mistake to date. Everything now reeks of them scrambling that it's not working...which they were probably giving high fives after the success of the GB game. I would guess Tepper doesn’t understand how fugged it all really is and that the record is not due to the savior Bryce but instead of him.

I think the consensus on the Huddle doesn't match the reality of last year. 

I'm sure that broken thumb will be better soon

49 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

I bet he would.

I'm glad they didn't too

1 hour ago, strato said:

Yeah at least in our case. I think they know the league favorites better than the loser Panthers. They know Tepper meddles, that’s about the depth of their perception. They fill in some blanks and have a take. 

Bryce was ruined. Tepper has issues, probably just 'newer owner making the usual mistakes' type thing. Rinse and repeat on the next issue. Very general and without specific details. 

Look at sone stats and base thr blah off of that and the generalities floating around. The fact we have won 5 games is going to skew it all to way too opportunistic IMO. Just under .500 how bad could it still be? 

They are handling it like they want him to come back which is insane at this point.

If this is Tepper related then  we are all fugged because an idiot should understand that a broken thumb on a throwing hand and a QB do not equal anything good. And watching Dalton play with a broken thumb already should have been enough proof. 

It reeks and I still can't belive he isn't IRed every time I hit refresh

So we are picking up his 5th year option?

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Mistakes? He barely played?

I believe he looked terrible in preseason. One of the reasons they took a swing on Purdy in the 7th

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this  paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

Fun bad always beats hopeless bad. Some fans still turn agaisnt it or forget the big picture of the situation.

Winston will win a game after a 3 pick game though so at least they have some fun to look forward to the rest of the season. 

The fact us fans can't tell who would be worse to start, the #1 pick or the recently reactived 3rd stringer/ps guy, is hilarious to me at this point. 

If Young looks the same then this goober should be given a 4th quarter chance. Should have happened on Sunday