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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

He bowed out when he realised the GM was just going to be Rhule's bag boy.

And yet he took the DC job. That was part of the point I was trying to make why it's looking like the better landing spot than the Panthers. They get Petters and we will get another Fritters or worse, the analytical genius that Tepper thinks will save him by cracking the code where football is just an equation. 

54 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

He’s keeping them here because they are good coordinators but if the new coach wants to dismiss them so be it but I’m gonna hold onto them in case they want them. It’s a sign that the head coach and offense were the problem.

They already blocked 2 interviews on a maybe? It's obvious he is hoping to keep them here. Everything was a problem, some more than others. Some of those guys also went behind the last HC's back. Tepper still thinks he built an allstar staff but in the end they were all a 2 win staff. 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What does it say for the organization he's running that the team that just went 2-15 has two coaches on it's staff that are being considered as head coach candidates elsewhere? I mean, that's absolutely unheard of.

Both request were lateral moves so not as HCs that were blocked. Evero and Tabor are getting HC interviews too? LOL. IDK but I would love to see it if Tepper's master plan is to just drop a HC in along with a RB and QB coaches with last year's people. 

26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Why would anyone choose the redskins (or any other situation) over here?

Aside from money (which we've learned doesn't help much) what reason is there?

 

Adam Petters bowed out of our GM race when they hired Fritters. Many thought he wouldn't leave the 49ers. Having a quality GM that won't walk into a bad position up front along with all that is listed above makes it a better spot. DC was able to snag a highly regarded GM already while Tepper is asking if he can ask to interview HCs with no GM yet...

Who knows what else is part of the bag right now the Panthers are asking of people. Sure looks like Tepper is trying to push off a large part of last year's wonder crew on the new people. That alone seems like a tough sell for people with options. 

25 minutes ago, Panther0221 said:

What do you want Tepper to do? They invited him to interview and Tepper has already shown (Matt Rhule) he is not afraid to open the checkbook to get the candidate he wants.

Unless were competing with the Broncos, a HC would have to walk away from the highest big for us to not get a HC... 

 

They put the GM on the backburner and Petters would in fact leave SF. Tepper kept Fritters too long and could have hired a good GM to lure a good HC. He is trying to keep the peices he thinks is good and it should all have been wiped the day after.

His only positive is his open checkbook and the rest are negatives. He is making a mess again while the first time guys in DC are killing it. This is his third attempt and it's already questionable.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Would it shock anyone if we hired Belichick and he just up and quit before the season? I could see him taking the podium and saying something to the effect of...

"Look, I wanted another project before I called it quits. I wanted to help one of the worst franchises in the league right themselves. I always respected the Panthers. I won my first Super Bowl against them. When Ron Rivera was here with Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly they competed against us as well as any team in the league. But David Tepper is a fuging moron who refuses to be helped. I have six rings already. I don't need this. I apologize to Panthers fans but this isn't what I signed up for. This was not our agreement, so I'm resigning effective immediately."

He already quit the Jets during his introductory press conference because he thought the team had pulled the rug out from under him in 2000. The difference is here he could easily just tell Tepper he is an idiot, that he is going to do what ever he wants to do and just get fired for it while taking the cash. He is absolutely better at that game than Tepper too. BB would throw him out of the room and Tepper would throw his proverbial drink while BB walks with a 7 year contract and a fat retirement package.

6 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

I think that’s Bill goal honestly.  He’s about to turn 72 and barely have anything left in the tank.  He’s looking for one last big payday and guess who can and likely will deliver?

Also, it’s a chance for Tepper to at least try to sell some tickets and save face.

Logically that makes sense. Unfortunately he is stubborn and might actually want to just keep doing what he loves...at least until he works under Tepper for an offseason. That looks to make anyone not overpromoted or much younger to want to retire. 

1 minute ago, Lame Duck said:

Yep, that’s why I posted that.  I think Ben Johnson is as good as gone.  I still think Tepper will hire Bill Belichick because… well… Tepper is a moron.  

He looks like he is about to build a Frankenstein of stupidity that will look a lot like last year's well built machine...I don't think Bill comes here unless he wants to retire with one last huge payday.

It's incredible to watch them go do what is impossible for Tepper. Lucky fans to get ownership that does that well that quick but they did have a long time under Snyder. They are building their house the right way and it still looks like Tepper is about to do his thing again with the same crappy outcome. 

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

This is how I view Tepper.  He may be a big fan of the game but should not have any say in which players are retained, let loose, picked up in free agency and most importantly who is drafted.

Stop looking at what someone did in college and expect the exact performance in the NFL. You can offer your input but in the end let the Pros make the decision. 

Any owner should be presented with the big things to sign off on but his involvement at the other levels has been devastating to the outcome of everything to do with the team.

He has no idea about the football stuff and it doesn't look like he is learning much either so he keeps hiring bad football people and putting them in bad spots and expecting anything good to happen. It's comical and sad.

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, his 5th year salary is pretty low BECAUSE he hasn't played much.

May as well pick it up. We aren’t gonna get a better corner for that price tag.

He played 6 games this year. I don't get the disconect about what he could have been and what he has been. I would rather use that cap space and roster spot on a guy who will be available to play.

Johnson, Johnson, Slowik or Smith. Young OC with good conections. Meh to the rest.

Hurney was well respected LOL. Same old stuff, just professionals being professionals.

I would rather have someone actually good at their jobs and not another dud who is well respected. What Morgan did with Fritters is enough to know he is the wrong guy to promote let alone keep being an assistant GM. 

1 hour ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

IDK, I think it's very debatable if Horn deserves a 5th year option. He is a top 10 pick and the option would be expensive, he has never played a full season as well. I would understand if the FO declines it and just see if he can stay healthy his 4th year. That's a lot of money sitting on IR for the year! 

I would be happiest to see him traded this offseason. He is very talented but he also isn't healthy enough and should get no where near 5th year option money until he can play a healthy year or 2. The best ability is availability after all. He has played in 22 games in 3 years so that's 43.1% of the time. Anyone still believing he is worth paying to his physical talent level is about to eat a lot of dead cap on the IR. Take any pick and sign someone who will be a lot more likely to be available on game days is absolutely a better path then waiting for him to have a healthy year which would be an anomaly at this point sadly. 

Decent ownership, a much better front office, competent GMing, capable coaching, coherent roster building, accurate player evaluations and the ability to adapt at all of those levels.

A good QB, a decent TE, a WR room minus 1 slot grandfather, a dominant oline, a completely new CB room and a D built around Brown who is the best player on the roster.

A good stadium experience and not an overpriced shell of a game day. A reason to show up and care on game day. A practice/team facilities near the stadium. Real grass and not more garbage music.

Winning.

I'm sure there is more but that's all I can recall in the downward spiral that is Panther fandom.

15 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Liars the lot of you if you loved footy like most here you’d have a great time playing GM 

When in Panther history did the team string together enough competency over a course of a few seasons to not heavily question their moves and failures?

I don't want to be the GM. I just want a good one finally to do a good job. I would be more than happy to watch a great one cook even if I didn't love individual moves. If winning cures all this team is at plague level now.

The only positive I am hearing is that the team actually knows what the perception is of their state currently. Having to ask if they can ask for an interview is embarrassing. Now something so much worse is out there. It is such a poorly run organization. More like new mistakes and unfortunately not learning much yet good still. 

Stop treating it like a toy and let experts that are not hired by me to run it while I enjoy the games from owners box and only ask for the big stuff (big trades, huge contracts, ect.) needing notice given. 

And throw a free beer party after a SB win as a thank you for putting up with so much BS as Panthers fans over the years. 

6 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

People going back and forth on whether this is a good defense or terrible one.

 

I just say GOOD LUCK evaluating this defense; it was paired with the most unwatchable offense in franchise history.

Just look to Rhule's #2 D and then the next year's numbers with Wilks running the ball for half a year after that.

It wasn't terrible but it wasn't top 10, neither were unless you only use yards allowed for both. And Wilks D fell apart as his time went on because other teams had to do more to win vs mailing it in against Rhule who only wanted to run CMC into the ground.

Considering the 3-4 swith that is fine with me. Those do take time. But there is very recent precedence to help unlock the mystery of how good that unit really is. Solid and likely average at best in the overall rankings.

He is under contract right? So even if he interviewed him they would have to ask for his release or trade for him?

I still don't get it. If I'm the Panthers I am looking for picks anywhere.

39 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Good lord, what did the Germans ever do to you to deserve this?!

4 OGs lol. I hope teams have seen this and stay away from Fritters. He is complete trash. With Carroll out I wonder if those doors are already shut to him now too.

1 minute ago, IndyPanther said:

If you think needing 3 future HOFers (as in he had 2 and couldn't do anything) to score more than 10 ppg isn't a bust, then I don't know what to say.

Picking a QB in the top 10 and not being able to be more than a journeyman is a bust. A 7th round pick, last in the draft, that plays as well as that top 10 pick isn't a bust. Ohh and Baker was a #1 pick. 

IDK what you are talking about and I never mentioned anything about HOF. I said startable, they couldn't even beat out the other guys.

You are all over the place and just making up stuff. If you feel that way fine but you are spouting off like any of that is facts. I don't know what else to say but your takes are laughable once you went to Purdy as a bust while trying to prop up Baker as more then he is...Ohh and for a bonus Wilks established here last year how to handle QBs like Darnold and Baker so TB is just following that blueprint. Run the ball and ask the QB to do as little as possible which limits the damage they can do.