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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nah. He is 100% not fake. He is genuinely just a really nice guy. He is pretty corny. I will give you that.

He just comes off that way over the years. Plus I only know him as the enemy so that tint doesn't paint a pretty shade. It's like wrestling really, if I saw him in real life I would just act like I knew nothing because that's probably true. 

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Is a startup mentality more likely to pay huge money to a veteran quarterback or feature a young draftee on a rookie deal?

A startup couldn't afford a good vet?

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

The talent level has dropped off.

Lol....why do you dislike Russell? I have actually met him before. He is genuinely a very nice guy.

Dude comes off as fake as a $3 bill and I just find him generally annoying. I love playing against him when our D can get to him. He makes crazy throws and keeps his team in a game and the season, I respect that. I should say the public image, you know what he is like personally more than I could guess. 

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that team reminds me quite a bit of Wilson's old NC State teams where he was "The Guy" making a suspect roster appear better than they were. 

He is the classic example of why you have to get that franchise QB. Even when the chips are down they make you competitive. Think about how often that was true when we had Cam.

I dislike Wilson as a person but he is a very good QB. With Cam it didn't matter if we matched up well, we had a chance. 

There was a time you had to go through the Seahawks to make it to a Super Bowl, now they are just scenery. Something has stagnated there.

Good stuff here!

Happy about the guy who was the brakes in the trading back bonanza bit. Still worried this was the guy who was the expert in scouting side for them recently, hopefully that will be the other two in the room and less his personal preferences. Very happy to learn his overall demeanor, very positive. The lack of ego is a nice bonus. 

1 minute ago, CanadianCat said:

Right and that worked really well at the beginning when their entire core was on rookie contracts. That seemed to fall apart after they had to sign 2nd contracts.. 

The Seahawks get a lot of respect from the Legion of Boom, as they should have.  In the last few years Wilson has carried that team, their drafts have been underwhelming and they have kept their heads above water through their pro-personnel department and good coaching. 12-4 and done in the wild card round. It would be an improvement for us but hardly the juggernaut days of years ago. 

Just shows me you need to take the leap if the draft has quality options because there are years where signing a random vet and just having fun is better than letting your need push you into drafting a dud. 10-16, holy cow we lucked in with Cam. 

Start up mentality the new slang for rebuild from the rebuild last year? 

Or are they going to make the office people work out of a garage? 

Just kidding. Kind of a dumb saying when referring to a billions dollar business but whatever. Would have been a lot more exciting and relevant if this was all done last year but it's here, again lol. 

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am open to whatever works, essentially. Obviously the preference would be to snag a QB in this draft that inevitably becomes "The Guy" and we ride off into the sunset with our new franchise QB. However, we all know that drafting a QB is a crapshoot, hence the reason why we have only had one in our entire franchise history. So that rookie to build around may also be the thing that sets us back on the path to RE-rebuilding if we don't get it right. 

Stafford and Teddy are apples to oranges comparisons. Matt Stafford could potentially enter next season as the third highest active leader in passing yardage in the NFL and currently on pace to eclipse Aaron Rodgers if he plays the same length of career. I'd equate Stafford much more to someone like Matt Ryan than Teddy Bridgewater.

Would I take a 32 year old Matt Ryan right now? Absolutely. Especially with perhaps 6-8 years more of playing life left in him.

I wasn't trying to compare the two, you are dead on, just after the failure of Teddy here I personally just want to see a rookie.

I guess I should phrase it, if we were to trade for Stafford before the draft I would be disappointed with the new GM. If it is a settling move to fill a massive need after the draft then whatever. I really do not like the idea of using draft picks outside of the last two rounds on a vet QB with the roster issues we are facing. 

Any of the vets are fine-ish for me if it's a post draft non-draft capital spent move. Technically we are already rebuilding after last years massive free agent failure. 

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

It's a short term fix with long term potential that is much greater than with Bridgewater. Stafford is only 32, he's an established NFL QB that has had some very good results. He's probably in that group underneath the elite guys, so he still has the potential to make that jump in some sense. 

The big bonus is that if we decide to get out of his deal, there are no dead money ramifications to us. We could get out at any point in 2021 or 2022 with little to no cap hit. 

Again, depending on price, he is probably cheaper than he would be on the free agent market. It's also not a bloated contract. Teddy is due $23 mil in 2021 and $26 mil in 2022. Stafford would be owed $20 mil in 2021 and $23 mil in 2022. He's actually cheaper than Teddy, although, as you pointed out that doesn't account for how much cutting Teddy will hit our cap.

I am definitely not against getting a guy like Stafford. I just need to know the scenario to decide whether I agree with it or not. 

I get it and I respect your view on it.

I just don't want a vet as our answer at QB. I want to see a rookie we can build around. That's just what I want to see. I'm underwhelmed by any vet not Watson, and he is way too expensive to get to get.

After Ted and massively disappointing overall roster building, I don't want another rental vet. I want a damn stud we hope to see play at least 10 years. If the draft doesn't go that way then sign a vet from the vet heap and prey we can do better. 

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

That depends on the resources spent. Stafford's money owed is extremely cheap for a player of his caliber. So if you could get him for a 3rd round pick(just throwing out an example), I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. 

It's a short term fix. It's a Hunrey-ish move if we give up draft capital. I don't like the one price away mentality he had.  Especially with Ted's wasted cap that's probably going to be dead money soon.

As a free agent, yeah I could see that as a huge positive. Stanford a couple of years ago was worth trading for, at this point just draft a QB with their 5 year window of cap friendliness and not a bloated vet QB contract.

Spending resources to get Stanford is moving in the wrong direction. Signing him as a free agent would be a different story. 

35 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Not prime Cam.

No idea what your definition on what prime is but Cam was balling game 1 until his shoulder was ruined in 2018. 

With Ted as the QB, a 1 is the ceiling for me. It's training camp season again. Fun but not for great football.

If we don't get an acceptable QB then I will be staying home and selling those tickets, the team this year wasn't worth driving all day on Sunday to watch.

He should have been gone last year, no way he isn't this year. Great player for a while, his last extension has been disastrous for us. Hurney 2.0 lol

9 hours ago, Car123 said:

Hurney never had the luxury of prime Cam Newton.

Like his first two years in the league?

Bad take.

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is...eye opening

Okay, Hurney didn't pick all the players the way, say, Bobby Beathard picked just about everybody who played for the Redskins in those four Super Bowls. "I am not," Hurney said in a conversation yesterday, "an evaluator at all."

But he did have critical input in identifying and hiring John Fox, the head coach. "He does get involved with personnel," said Beathard, Hurney's mentor and the man who facilitated the transition from covering an NFL team to running one. "He's a great guy to sit around when the scouts are in and he gets the conversation going. But I don't think he's pushy or thinks he has the experience to make those decisions."

Hurney is a facilitator, a consensus builder, an administrator who can pull together all manner of resources, start a very democratic process that works well for the Panthers, then sit with the coach and owner and come to sharp, well-reasoned decisions. 

The above excerpt comes from a profile of Marty that was written by Michael Wilbon in 2004 when the Panthers were headed to the Super Bowl. You can read the full article at the link below:

Marty Hurney makes good copy

It sure explains a lot and kills some fan theories about Hurney.  Also why he did so poorly when Fox was a lame duck. Also raises the question, if those two did so poorly here then how bad can they be with WTF? 

"I am not," Hurney said in a conversation yesterday, "an evaluator at all."  My new favorite quote lol. Thank you Scott for this gem.

8 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I mean he did that here and it didn't work at all either, before and after Tepper.

No winning seasons as a GM since Fox was our Head coach. 

Those two have never put a winning team on the field. Marty  and Ron. It's a dynamically bad duo.

Why anyone would expect anything different is beyond me. All they do is lose together. 4.5ish years and yup, no winning. This is built to fail.

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Do we really want to be paying 40 Million for a QB when we can get a rookie on a rookie deal?

For the right price? Yes. Multiple 1st and a good player for him? No. 

Truly a WTF move. Congratulations on committing to losing.

It's like a dream coming true after years of nightmares. Eat it Snyder, you literally have to be an idiot to let this happen.

No QB at 8? Trade back.

Young crew makes mistake with oversight by old hand who was terrible at his job and fired. That's Teddy.

We can do what we want. Trade for a conditional or late pick, cut for 3 million in cap space or used as a practice dummy...That's Teddy's future. Which one? No idea but I'm excited to see how they try to right the ship. There was always going to be a learning curve, the mistake of 2 gloved yards is part of it. If they land a real QB then I couldn't care less about Teddy.

19 minutes ago, ncfan said:

None of those throws you listed but 1, the WRs had to adjust.   If you nit pick that much, there are less than a handful Total throws in the NFL a year where the WRs dont have to adjust in your eyes

His WRs were beating those CBs like a drum on those 3 throws and for 2 he put the CB back in the play with his throws. It's weird that he had them over the top all day and the throws were just behind the WRs creating the adjustments. Nit-picking is what I thought was being discussed and what a big part of the draft process is, usually followed by debate like this.

Adjusting is what WRs do and some times that is to 'slow up' which is what these 3 examples show. The WRs are smooth, watch the CB keep speed and get back into each of those throws. IDK if that's even the pattern they were talking about, this was just me looking at a video of a game I didn't watch with a player we are interested in. 

26 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Really Really 

If you call that slowing up, id  Love for you to show me some QBs->Wrs where they didn't  "slow up"

2:21 - WR slows down and adjust to the ball on beat coverage

6:09 - WR slows down, CB almost catches back up on beat coverage; 6:20 clearly shows this. QB put the CB back in the play with that throw.

7:59 - WR slows down, CB CB almost catches back up on beat coverage; 8:10 Clearly shows this. QB put the CB back in the play with that throw.

I would take him as a QB with one leg over what we have now but he isn't perfect and this video shows the pattern mention by Verge and LG. It's nit-picky but it's there and showed up on every deep throw in this video. His WRs were way ahead of coverage and he put the CBs back in the play.