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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

That depends on the resources spent. Stafford's money owed is extremely cheap for a player of his caliber. So if you could get him for a 3rd round pick(just throwing out an example), I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. 

It's a short term fix. It's a Hunrey-ish move if we give up draft capital. I don't like the one price away mentality he had.  Especially with Ted's wasted cap that's probably going to be dead money soon.

As a free agent, yeah I could see that as a huge positive. Stanford a couple of years ago was worth trading for, at this point just draft a QB with their 5 year window of cap friendliness and not a bloated vet QB contract.

Spending resources to get Stanford is moving in the wrong direction. Signing him as a free agent would be a different story. 

35 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Not prime Cam.

No idea what your definition on what prime is but Cam was balling game 1 until his shoulder was ruined in 2018. 

With Ted as the QB, a 1 is the ceiling for me. It's training camp season again. Fun but not for great football.

If we don't get an acceptable QB then I will be staying home and selling those tickets, the team this year wasn't worth driving all day on Sunday to watch.

He should have been gone last year, no way he isn't this year. Great player for a while, his last extension has been disastrous for us. Hurney 2.0 lol

9 hours ago, Car123 said:

Hurney never had the luxury of prime Cam Newton.

Like his first two years in the league?

Bad take.

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is...eye opening

Okay, Hurney didn't pick all the players the way, say, Bobby Beathard picked just about everybody who played for the Redskins in those four Super Bowls. "I am not," Hurney said in a conversation yesterday, "an evaluator at all."

But he did have critical input in identifying and hiring John Fox, the head coach. "He does get involved with personnel," said Beathard, Hurney's mentor and the man who facilitated the transition from covering an NFL team to running one. "He's a great guy to sit around when the scouts are in and he gets the conversation going. But I don't think he's pushy or thinks he has the experience to make those decisions."

Hurney is a facilitator, a consensus builder, an administrator who can pull together all manner of resources, start a very democratic process that works well for the Panthers, then sit with the coach and owner and come to sharp, well-reasoned decisions. 

The above excerpt comes from a profile of Marty that was written by Michael Wilbon in 2004 when the Panthers were headed to the Super Bowl. You can read the full article at the link below:

Marty Hurney makes good copy

It sure explains a lot and kills some fan theories about Hurney.  Also why he did so poorly when Fox was a lame duck. Also raises the question, if those two did so poorly here then how bad can they be with WTF? 

"I am not," Hurney said in a conversation yesterday, "an evaluator at all."  My new favorite quote lol. Thank you Scott for this gem.

8 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I mean he did that here and it didn't work at all either, before and after Tepper.

No winning seasons as a GM since Fox was our Head coach. 

Those two have never put a winning team on the field. Marty  and Ron. It's a dynamically bad duo.

Why anyone would expect anything different is beyond me. All they do is lose together. 4.5ish years and yup, no winning. This is built to fail.

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Do we really want to be paying 40 Million for a QB when we can get a rookie on a rookie deal?

For the right price? Yes. Multiple 1st and a good player for him? No. 

Truly a WTF move. Congratulations on committing to losing.

It's like a dream coming true after years of nightmares. Eat it Snyder, you literally have to be an idiot to let this happen.

No QB at 8? Trade back.

Young crew makes mistake with oversight by old hand who was terrible at his job and fired. That's Teddy.

We can do what we want. Trade for a conditional or late pick, cut for 3 million in cap space or used as a practice dummy...That's Teddy's future. Which one? No idea but I'm excited to see how they try to right the ship. There was always going to be a learning curve, the mistake of 2 gloved yards is part of it. If they land a real QB then I couldn't care less about Teddy.

19 minutes ago, ncfan said:

None of those throws you listed but 1, the WRs had to adjust.   If you nit pick that much, there are less than a handful Total throws in the NFL a year where the WRs dont have to adjust in your eyes

His WRs were beating those CBs like a drum on those 3 throws and for 2 he put the CB back in the play with his throws. It's weird that he had them over the top all day and the throws were just behind the WRs creating the adjustments. Nit-picking is what I thought was being discussed and what a big part of the draft process is, usually followed by debate like this.

Adjusting is what WRs do and some times that is to 'slow up' which is what these 3 examples show. The WRs are smooth, watch the CB keep speed and get back into each of those throws. IDK if that's even the pattern they were talking about, this was just me looking at a video of a game I didn't watch with a player we are interested in. 

26 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Really Really 

If you call that slowing up, id  Love for you to show me some QBs->Wrs where they didn't  "slow up"

2:21 - WR slows down and adjust to the ball on beat coverage

6:09 - WR slows down, CB almost catches back up on beat coverage; 6:20 clearly shows this. QB put the CB back in the play with that throw.

7:59 - WR slows down, CB CB almost catches back up on beat coverage; 8:10 Clearly shows this. QB put the CB back in the play with that throw.

I would take him as a QB with one leg over what we have now but he isn't perfect and this video shows the pattern mention by Verge and LG. It's nit-picky but it's there and showed up on every deep throw in this video. His WRs were way ahead of coverage and he put the CBs back in the play. 

Thank you Verge, always great to hear from you!