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Remember when everyone laughed at the Lion’s draft?

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We actually do know the answer to that question.

Per a prior report (think it was Breer but I'm not positive) Tepper was known to go around asking assistant coaches to talk about other assistants.

So basically, he not only sought it out, but he encouraged it.

And Campen and Tabor were Rhule holdovers.

Tepper asked Frank to keep them on.

They had no reason to be loyal to the other guys.

I bet the snitching started during Rhule’s time.

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wasn't just Campen, apparently.

Likely suspects would include Tabor, maybe Brown since both are gone.

Some also suggest Jim Caldwell.

It was clearly all the older guys. Campen, Tabor, Caldwell

2 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

-Played next to Ickey

-From NC

-Had to beg Fitt to draft him via text

Fitt - "yeah sure, why not"

Dan Morgan - sounds good to me!

It looks like the HC hire is all Morgan.

If so, we need this staff to work out. If it does, Tepper will have learned the correct lesson.

If it doesn’t, he’s going to go back to what he was doing.….if he has actually gone more hands off.

I’m willing to bet Tepper doesn’t speak…if he even shows up.

13 hours ago, Evil Hurney said:

The price for firing Frank in his first season. Tepper-Tax.

This sounds like Dave said, I’ll do my best with BY, but you need to give me time to pivot if he doesn’t work out.

7 minutes ago, RockyTopVol said:

I work with a guy that was a scout in the league for a long time. He is close friends with Jerod Mayo, and he said Mayo has talked about Dan Morgan for years. My co-worker insists that Dan is very well respected all across the league, and he said he'd be shocked if he didn't succeed immediately. 

People said that about Fitt.

3 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

This is 100% Dan Morgan. He's been tight with Canales for longer than he's known Tepper.

Y'all wanted Tepper to get out the way well Dan is your "football guy" now.

Yep, they worked together for 7 years in Seattle.

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Panthers were the only team to interview him  

are you willing to believe tepper is smarter than the rest of the league?

 

 

The man is desperate to show he’s smarter than everyone else.

On 1/23/2024 at 9:07 AM, Tbe said:

It sounds like Canales is the guy. 

Told ya

This was telegraphed by the org days ago.

No surprise

24 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

You're conveniently leaving out the fact that Rhule was in his 3rd season and Campbell was in his 2nd.  It's a lot easier to sell the fanbase on "patience" and "staying the course" halfway into the second season rather than the third, while there had been a clear downward trajectory.  "There is a plan in place"..."preaching patience"...I mean, come on that's just a very minor repackaging of the same exact pitch we were fed on Rhule's whole "7-year process" lol.  It's ironic because even your attempt at drawing distinctions between Tepper and Sheila, only further blurs the line between them IMO.  You can bring Reich's tenure into question, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison since he came after the whole Rhule fiasco so Tepper appears to clearly be adjusting his approach and willing to cut ties early on rather than letting things play out in the spirit of "patience".  If Campbell didn't turn things around in Season 2 and the Lions looked dysfunctional throughout, I'd have a hard time believing Campbell would have been given a third season or at the very least, he would've been on a very tight leash in Season 3 (similar to Rhule).

Their approach seems almost identical...but again, the difference (and the only thing that ultimately matters) is that Sheila got the hire(s) right the first time.  Even her approach of hiring her close family business advisor Rod Wood as Team President very much echoes complaints people have explicitly levied against Tepper (unqualified nepotism hires...running the team like one of his businesses...etc.).

Sheila seems far more humble and far less pushy than Tepper.

Thats probably the key difference.

She can sit in on all FA scouting meetings, give her opinion, and be fine if they do something different. 
 

Tepper seems like he really pushes his preferences and opinions.

10 hours ago, CRA said:

lol.  Yeah, if I told you Jim Caldwell was going to be tasked with helping find the new GM and the new GM was already here.....people would have called that crazy a couple months ago. 

Ejiro has already made it to round 2 of interviews.  It's not crazy to think given what world Tepper is creating for the next HC.....Ejiro might be the guy who is agreeable to taking it on and others are resistant IMO.   Better odds of Ejiro than Ben Johnson if my money is on the line. 

I'm not saying what I propose is the likely outcome.  But a variation of that is on the table at this point.   Folks better prepare themselves for this gigantic change next year not actually coming to fruition as a reasonable outcome IMO. 

 

I’m fully expecting this team to look exactly the same next year.

53 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

No need @Wes21 eloquently summarized the difference 

The difference is she’s smarter than Tepper. She’s still heavily involved.

Lions fans were furious about her involvement at first. So much so Dan Campbell had to come out and defend her.

Now they’re ok with it and sing her praises.

Winning fixes everything.

You guys are looking at the wrong owner if you want an example of someone who is not involved.

She’s just as involved as Tepper. She’s just clearly smarter.
 

But she’s sitting in on draft meetings giving her opinion, she’s front and center in the draft room, her office is in the team training facility, she goes to practices, all of it.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I bet when you look into the Lions draft room....she isn't sitting smack dab in the middle of it. 

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2021/02/lions-owner-sheila-ford-hamp-sitting-in-on-offensive-defensive-meetings-heading-into-free-agency.html?outputType=amp
 

LLEN PARK -- William Clay Ford wasn’t very involved with the Detroit Lions during his final years as owner of the team. Martha Firestone Ford adopted a more hands-on approach when she took over in 2014, and it seems their daughter has been even more involved with team operations.

Sheila Ford Hamp is even sitting in on offensive and defensive meetings heading into the start of free agency on March 17.

People always ask me how much Sheila is involved,” special assistant Chris Spielman said on Tuesday morning during an appearance on 97.1 The Ticket. “Well, Sheila has been involved by being in all these personnel meetings. She’s sat in two days of offensive free agency meetings and defensive free agency meetings.”

Owners have different styles across the league. Some, like Dallas’ Jerry Jones and Jacksonville’s Shad Khan, have given themselves control of roster building. Others, like the late William Clay Ford in Detroit, are never around at all. Martha Firestone Ford was much more active in her years of ownership with the Lions, including dropping in on training camp, attending almost every game, sitting in the draft room, talking to draft picks and potential free agents and so on.

Sheila Ford Hamp has been even more active since taking over for her mother last summer, including firing the general manager and head coach she inherited just five months after taking over the team. She heavily pursued Chris Spielman to join the franchise as her special assistant, and Spielman eventually agreed after a couple interviews with Ford Hamp.

“She’s the one that put me over the top when I was deciding whether to do this or not,” Spielman said. “She’s fabulous. Great leader. She’s a leader to me. I was like, ‘Let’s go!’ Felt like I talked to a head coach before a game. She gave me a locker-room speech, and I was ready to run through the hotel door in Cincinnati.”

Ford Hamp was involved in the subsequent searches for a new general manager (Brad Holmes) and head coach (Dan Campbell), and now she’s sitting in on those guys’ meetings as Detroit prepares for free agency and the draft, which will be critical to forming the backbone of the new approach.

That’s not unheard of around the NFL, and Spielman was very clear that football people like Holmes and Campbell have the final say on all decisions. But it’s certainly a more active ownership approach than we’ve seen in Detroit, as the new owner tries to understand all the nooks and crannies of her organization. 

She even took Chris Spielman’s office at the training facility.

“I had an office when I got here, and all of the sudden I’m on the corner next to the exit door,” Spielman told The Ticket. “So what happened? Well, Sheila wants this office because it’s right in the middle of everything, which is awesome. And it just goes to show her commitment and what she wants and how involved she is being in these meetings and giving her opinion, which is fun. It’s cool to see the commitment that she has.”

4 hours ago, heel31ok said:

So we need fist hand info to answer theses questions.There doesn't seem to be much actual info on that front. 

Until some real insight is given I have to go on what I know about Morgan which is mainly from his playing days.Right now I'm all in on Dan Mirgan.

 

The info you need is Dan’s job duties the past few years and the product on the field.

A good linebacker doesn’t make a good talent evaluator.

16 minutes ago, Samppson said:

Yeah I dont think they are super well ran compared to others, I even put into question organizations that are considered well ran when they have one great QB, like say the Patriots, where I think most of it was attributed to one QB carrying them for awhile. The organizations like the Ravens, 49ers, Packers, Chiefs to me feel like the best run organizations, it seems like every year they are solid at worst, and no matter who's at QB they find a way to make it work and keep chugging along. Hell, the Packers are about to go from Fevre, to Rodgers, to Love, who probably isnt as good as the first two, but looks to be a guy you can build a team around and compete for a Superbowl.

Here’s the thing. Love wouldn’t have made it with the vast majority of teams. I can’t think of any team that would have had the patience to develop that guy.

Most teams give up way too fast on QBs. See Goff and Baker…among others.

That’s why they are so well run. The packers error on cutting aging guys a year early and take their time developing key people.

They don’t make knee jerk “Tepper” decisions.

7 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Tepper got a fuging outside consulting firm for the GM search and they were probably like "uh no one wants this job sorry" lol. Either that or Morgan was the only one to guarantee he won't give Bryce Young any competition

pretty much

I really think Morgan was the only guy they could find that was all in on Bryce.

The idea that Dan wasn’t onboard with how this roster was constructed is laughable.

1) talent eval was his main job

2) Do we really think Fitt just ignored him on all these major decisions? If you think that, then Dan has zero communication and interpersonal skills and will be steamrolled by Tepper and the coaches.

58 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

like i've said in multiple threads, it makes no sense someone who played linebacker in the NFL would think Bryce could work. 

If Suleiman really did push for Bryce, and Morgan was like "lol. lmao" then its time to pay the piper. 

Samir had no authority there. per the job description, Dan was the head talent evaluator.

32 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Yep that’s true. Most of the outside guys were probably like ok first order of business would be to find a QB 

2nd order of business, the owner can’t talk to me for at least 2 years.