Jay Roosevelt

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know that Reich would have worked out, but it's not fair to force a guy into a decision he didn't want to make and then blame him for the results.

Fair enough, but I'm not sold on the idea that Reich was 100% on Stroud. He may have preferred him, but I don't think he was anti-Bryce by any means either.

Love Greg, but absolutely not.

35 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Well, at least one team is scoring high now.

Which is why Tepper is a moron, again. Games with scoring in the high 20's is a high scoring game in the NFL. The biggest problem with Tepper's logic is that in the NFL, as opposed to college, a win is a win is a win. It doesn't matter how you get it. "Just win, baby". "You play to win the game", "Playoffs. Playoffs?"

Tepper forgot about that. The team with the best defense generally wins the championship games. Does Tepper think the Patriots cared that they beat the Rams 13-3 instead of 43-33? Or that the Patriots were able to hold the Falcons scoreless after they got to 28?

Does he realize the investment the 49er's have made in their defensive personnel since they have an offensive head coach and defensive GM? The 49er's success is enabled by four guys on offense and probably 10 guys on defense.

DEFENSE.

RUNNING GAME. PLAY ACTION. UNDER CENTER. DEFENSE.

May sound boring. But I'd rather watch that and win than see another fuging tunnel screen to Adam Theilen.

You might win some games with that, but you're not winning any championships in this day and age unless you have some kind of elite all-time defense.

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats going to be a "what if" that follows this franchise for 2 decades I bet

lol I doubt it. Maybe not taking Stroud, but Reich was never going to be the answer.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Stephen Holder is one who sounds pretty sure that Reich wanted Stroud.

I wouldn't necessarily say he was the "lone voice" though. One of the other probable "voices" just got fired along with him.

I'm not seeing your point. Are you saying that had we drafted Stroud that Reich would have worked out? I don't buy that at all. As bad as Bryce Young has been, anyone with eyes can see how terrible Reich's scheme was. The regression of the OL alone was enough of a reason to fire him.

Just now, Paa Langfart said:

Wasn't Marty fired at the end of the season that Ron got the axe ?

No. Hurney was involved with hiring Matt Rhule.

2 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

What does it matter who is GM so long as Tepper is here? He is a Jerry Jones wannabe except he wants to have a GM. 

Fitterer is a scapegoat at this point.

I also disagree vehemently about Wilks. There is nothing in his history suggesting that hiring him would've been a mistake. He took the same team that has been losing for four years and at least got them to .500. That was before he would've had a draft and been able to build an offense in his image. It was also after firing 12 people mid-season.

So give me a break. What Wilks accomplished in 2022 will, in time, be seen as a miracle because it might be the most success we see for another 5 years. 

Go ahead and pin this comment, save it, do something to reference in April of each year as Tepper continues making the same mistakes. This all falls on Tepper.

He wanted Reich, he wanted to trade up for Number 1, he wanted Young.

This is on him. Fitterer either said yes or get's fired. What would you do?

Wilks would have been a FAR better hire than Reich, but neither of them was ever the long-term answer that was going to make us into a contender.

No doubt Tepper wanted to trade up for a QB, but he's not the one who keeps missing on almost every draft pick he's made since being hired, including the mid-late round picks that Tepper has nothing to do with.

By no means am I defending Tepper. He's awful. But his awfulness shouldn't take away from how bad both Reich and Fitterer were. On the contrary, the fact that he hired them both is the best example of just how bad an owner he is.

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Did he or Fitterer influence the decision to draft Young over Stroud, though?

If so, there's nothing to stand on.

I think that is being overblown. Maybe Reich did prefer Stroud, but I don't think it was a situation where he was the lone voice in the organization saying we should take him over Bryce. And I honestly don't think Stroud would look anywhere near as good as he has had we drafted him.

Taking a different QB wouldn't have made Reich the answer. Maybe it would have bought him more time, but does anyone really think Frank Reich was ever going to coach this team to a Super Bowl, with Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud or anyone else?

8 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

TEPPER HIRED THE MAN. Fitterer didn't hire Reich. Fitterer wanted Wilks. Fitterer wanted Stroud. 

Tepper wanted Reich. Tepper wanted Young.

Wilks would have also been a mistake, though certainly a far better hire than Reich. Fitterer needs to go to.

Let's get a GM & HC who are actually on the same page for once during Teppers time as owner.

God damn there's no fuging telling.

Tepper deserves plenty of criticism, but not for firing Reich. That had to be done.

I've got no problem with either of these moves.

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You'd think someone with legit experience would at least blindly stumble onto some decent draft picks. Honest to god, we would've drafted better if we used Huddle polls to determine our picks.

I agree, but Fitterer is by no means the first experienced executive to get a GM job and fail horribly. This is what I meant in that other thread last week when I said I legitimately think there are fans out there who could do a better job than many NFL GMs.

I think sometimes these NFL scouts and executives over-analyze draft prospects, which leads to major mistakes. I also think ego is a major factor, as it is with practically every aspect of every organization.

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just struggle to believe that folks with legit football backgrounds would have made as many roster mistakes as Fitts and company have.

It happens all the time. Certainly Tepper has made things worse with his meddling, but I promise you it ain't Tepper continually whiffing on mid-late round draft picks, leaving us with little to no depth.

Tepper has no doubt pushed for certain moves (the trade-up, the Watson chase, a few others) but Fitterer is absolutely to blame for his own piss poor draft record and free agent busts.

47 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

 

Evero said no in Denver too.  He must think the interim tag may hurt his actual HC candidacy.

 

Or wants to only focus on defense.

 

I don't blame him. He's probably right to think that. Most interim HC's don't end up getting hired.

He needs to be gone ASAP. We need to have a new GM in place when we begin the next coaching search. I don't have a big issue with giving Reich the rest of the season, but we don't need to be looking for a GM and HC at the same time if we can help it.

Get the GM lined up by season's end so that he can assist in the HC search.

I disagree with this. HC jobs are hard enough to come by that there will always be interested candidates. There are more aspiring head coaches than openings 100% of the time.

The trick is finding the right guy. The hot candidates aren't always the best candidates. Plus Tepper has deep pockets, so I'm sure if he really wants someone he can pay them what it takes to get them to sign.

The larger issue is GM. Ideally we should fire Fitterer ASAP and use the rest of the season to find his replacement, then get his input on who the next coach should be.

Generally speaking it's actually harder to find a quality GM than a quality HC.

I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of NFL-ready OL coming into the league. We're not the only team having OL issues at all; I'd say half the league suffers from sub-par OL play on a regular basis.

This article isn't wrong, but firing Reich wouldn't be either. Good owners know when to get involved and when to step back.

Tepper needs to fire Reich and Fitterer, hire a firm to conduct a search for their replacements and then get the hell out of the way.

The least surprising thing I've read in a while.

This is what we need to do a GoFundMe for to put on a billboard as close as possible to BoA Stadium.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

I don't know, at this rate the whole 2023 team will still be on I.R. by then.

So is it a torn ACL or something else?

13 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Good thing Fitt extended Corbett right after he blew out his ACL the first time.

 

Huh? Corbett signed his deal in free agency.