Jay Roosevelt

All due respect to Smitty, Peppers, Cam, etc. Luke is the best player to ever wear a Panthers uniform.

No, you're right. It doesn't mean you can't call out his flaws and poor play. But it also doesn't mean you can't admit when he plays well and shows improvement. Not you personally, just in general I mean.

I will say, I do think there's a version of Bryce that could be really successful as a high-volume passer in a spread-based offense built around quick throws and timing-based intermediate throws with deeper throws schemed up around them. I actually think the power run based offense we're running is a poor fit for Bryce as it requires him to play under center far more often. It's a very traditional offensive approach whereas I think a scheme that spreads defenses out and lets Bryce distribute the ball quickly with anticipation and accuracy is the sweet spot for him. The key, of course, is to find a way to run the ball efficiently out of those formations. Our personnel right now (backs and OL) aren't good fits for that style of offense and I'm not sure it's a scheme Dave Canales favors very much either.

I think that depends on whether you think he's done developing. If he continues to improve as he has over the last year and a half for another season or two (especially with his deep passing) we'll really have something. I know there are questions about how high his ceiling actually is, which I think is the real foundation of the debate about him, but at this point I don't think it matters much because we're not moving on from him for at least another season and likely another 2 seasons. So wherever side of the debate people are on we all might as well sit back, root for the guy and hope for the best.

My general observations: 6 Ravens selected. Why? They're not even that good this year. Only Jags player to get picked was their long snapper. That's insane for one of the better teams in the AFC this year. Travis Kelce making it is a joke at this point. He's a shell of his former self. Swifties voting I guess. Glad to see both Maxx Crosby and Brock Bowers make it for the Raiders despite the team being so awful. Both are top-3 players at their positions for sure. Who the hell is Drew Dalman? The Vikings being shut out is kind of crazy. Not their best year but there is a good amount of talent on that team. I'm positive the Panthers would have been shutout if not for Jaycee Horn having so many INTs. Derrick Brown is better than every DT that made it (on both sides) with the possible exception of Jalen Carter.

If Shough is even considered for OROY over TMac (or several other players for that matter) then it will be the biggest case of QB bias of all time. The award is TMac's to lose, IMO.

Bryce has improved considerably this season. Hell, he's improved since mid-season. He's actually taking shots down the field and his accuracy on those throws has improved a ton since his rookie year. Anyone who can't see that he has gotten better flat-out has an agenda and would rather be 'right' about Bryce than see the team succeed with him.

They're both good backs. Why do people insist on arguing which is better?

Bryce has pretty clearly improved this year. He's taking more shots downfield and showing better accuracy on those throws and as a result we have had more of a downfield element to our offense during the second half of the season. It's still not enough of a deep passing threat, but we're trending in the right direction. I'm all for bringing in someone to push Bryce that can also be a capable backup (Dalton looks done and I wouldn't be surprised if he retires after the season) but it's pretty clear that Bryce will be the starter going into next season and I do think there's a good chance he continues to improve. I'd be all for drafting his replacement if we were 1) in position to do so without trading a ton to move up, and 2) there's a QB worth taking in the 1st round, but neither of those things are going to be true for us this upcoming draft.

We've clearly taken a step forward this year. We also still clearly have a ways to go. Consistency is key. We have been unable to find it this season in any phase.

I don't take any issue with the 4th down call. He's always been aggressive, which is how he should be. It just didn't go our way this time. Overall we've had a good amount of success on 4th down this year so I don't blame him. A field goal from that spot was far from a sure thing.

Even the best corners usually have one receiver that gives them trouble. I remember Bills WR Stevie Johnson used to give Darrelle Revis fits even in his prime.

I don't see how you can put this loss on Canales. Evero maybe but not Canales.

Baker doesn't look healthy.

Not a great comparison. You could likely enter every pro golf tournament for a decade and not demonstrate pro-caliber ability. Bryce has demonstrated that he is capable of playing QB in the NFL at a high level; he just hasn't demonstrated that he can do it consistently.

You have to pay him. Joe Thomas he is not, but he's the best LT we've had in well over a decade.

The thing with Bryce is that he has shown that he can play at a pretty high level. Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson high? No, but he's had his moments for sure. He just hasn't been able to develop any consistency week-to-week. It's all high highs and low lows. If we got Falcons/Rams/Cowboys Bryce more than 3 times per year and Packers/49ers/Jets Bryce looked more like Dolphins/Cardinals Bryce we might have something. A more consistent Bryce Young is actually a pretty damn good QB. He won't ever be Justin Herbert or Patrick Mahomes, but that's a QB we can work with long-term. But this week-to-week whiplash where he looks like a different player every other game is far from ideal.

He should win it. Emeka is a great player, but if TMac was playing in Tampa Bay his numbers would be even better.

If he's so miserable that he's requested his release from two teams in a 4 month span he probably should have just retired after last season.

I will say it does seem like Bryce is taking more shots downfield recently and having more success when he does.

Just following the pattern... SAINTS - W BUCS - L SEAHAWKS - W BUCS - L

Not close. Bryce has actually had good games. I can't think of one good game from Nakamura in a Panthers uniform.

You obviously never saw Haruki Nakamura play.